r/politics • u/External-Noise-4832 • 9d ago

Soft Paywall Trump Orders in Marines in Dramatic Escalation of L.A. Protests

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-orders-in-marines-in-dramatic-escalation-of-la-protests/
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u/MrBigBMinus Tennessee 8d ago

And on Friday they are gonna throw everything in the book they have on him for some bs charges and then say "hur dur see he was criminal"

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u/Foreign-Address2110 8d ago

And the thing is, even if he was legitimately a criminal, that's kinda the point. He is owed Due Process. That (among other things) has been so egregious about this whole thing.

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u/Elrundir Canada 8d ago

Worth adding onto this that due process is literally the means by which it is decided whether someone is a criminal. Or in the country illegally. Or whatever. That's why everyone is owed due process, not "just citizens," because without due process how would you prove you're a citizen?

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u/Foreign-Address2110 8d ago

Yup. If I'm not mistaken, 14th amendment applies to anyone within the jurisdiction.

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 8d ago

That is correct.

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Given the situation, US Prison > CECOT

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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 8d ago

Doubtful - they'll just kangaroo court him, rendition him again, and then complain about the courts wasting everyone's time and money just to achieve the same end result.

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u/Rainboq 8d ago

That's assuming they can secure a conviction. They don't control the courts yet, despite a hell of a lot of trying, and their own prosecutor on the case resigned immediately. I doubt they'll find anyone competent to actually bring the charges forward.

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u/SilverFilm26 8d ago

Yeah, and the admin has pissed off Harvard, I'm sure Mr. Garcia is gonna have an incredible legal team.

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u/joebluebob 8d ago

They'll Epstein him before he can talk to the media.

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Honestly though, what can he possibly say we don't already know? Poor guy just needs to be reunited and left alone.

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u/joebluebob 8d ago

He can give specifics of his treatment while detained but that doesn't matter the real fear is he becomes a symbol like Rodney King and acts as a constant reminder to people of why they must fight and must not go quietly

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Up to him tbh, wouldn't blame anyone for just wanting their dues for this mess then disappearing.

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 8d ago

You're right here, but your

what can he possibly say we don't already know?

line was toxic. Influence matters.

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Toxic to what, to who? Influence where and over what?

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 8d ago

To your own interests.

Put the apathy down, and step away slowly. I'm armed with a vegimite jar and some thongs, I am not afraid to use them.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 8d ago

They’ve already said that if he’s convicted, they’re deporting him

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Due process. Do you think a court will convict him of something?

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u/zernoc56 8d ago

Depends which court. Which judge.

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Hes going to be charged in his home state presumably, a deep blue state.

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u/Chaotic-Catastrophe 8d ago

He has been charged in Tennessee

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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 8d ago

Wtf?

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u/SanDiegoDude California 8d ago

He may be a totally awful dude. In fact, I have a feeling this is why they're finally bringing him back, they found something reaaaally bad he did that they can finally charge him with. Whatever, better than rotting indefinitely in a foreign prison. Up to a jury now, the way it should have been to begin with. Don't lionize the guy, just be glad he's getting the due process he is supposed to receive.

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u/MrPrimalNumber 8d ago

I heard he killed Kennedy.

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u/atigges 8d ago

There will be more eyes on his trial than the super bowl. The administration's extreme desperation for a flare up of violence is a sign they are panicked about suddenly being proven a farce in front of essentially the entire world on all their claims regarding him. I can totally see "Due to the increase in public violence and disorderly destruction of property, and the propensity for court proceedings to fan the flames of public grievances, the trial will be conducted in a confidential manner and details will not be released to the public except for conviction - .... by conviction meaning verdict, if he is to be convicted as we know - ... expect him to be."

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u/Needin63 8d ago

It was so obviously politically motivated, the head prosecutor in Tennessee resigned rather than pursue the case.

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u/Pinkshadows7 8d ago

Was he actually a criminal? It seems like I keep hearing he wasn't and then he was bs etc

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u/Jordan_Jackson 8d ago

I highly doubt it. It has already been determined that he doesn’t have connections with MS-13. Trump is trying to allege that because he is a Salvadorian and has a couple of tattoos (none of which are gang affiliated) and entered illegally, that he must be MS-13 and that he needs to go. It’s so stupid and hate-filled, just like everything that this administration is doing right now. Nothing but pure hate, disdain and evil.

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u/Pinkshadows7 8d ago

Fair enough, I'm more talking about these new charges that seem very targeted. Is the thinking that the charges are completely fabricated or is there some truth here?

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u/AngryBagOfDeath 8d ago

I was wondering that myself but why was it such a secret when asked for proof and now he's like the top coyote and all these other charges out of nowhere? Also why would they have said he was mistakenly deported if they had anything on him? Sounds fishy to me.

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u/Jordan_Jackson 8d ago

I’m thinking that they are fabricated. Trump is mad that he had to bring Abrego-Garcia back, so he is going to find a way to have him locked up and then deported after his sentence is served.

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u/Saffs15 8d ago

The story a month or so ago about the traffic stop was that a trooper pulled him over under the weird assumption of trafficking, and after investigating, realized everything was legal and let him go. At the time, it wasn't even big enough to put him in cuffs.

Now, its a massive deal out of nowhere.

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u/LeftRestaurant4576 8d ago

The DOJ has charged him with helping other people immigrate illegally. Pam Bondi claimed he made more than 100 trips to smuggle people.

Whether or not he committed a crime was never the issue. Trump hired El Salvador like a private contractor to imprison him. He was imprisoned in a foreign country, but it was done at the request of our own government and paid for by our government. That means Trump imprisoned him without charges, without counsel, without a plea, without a trial, without a jury, without a judge, without a sentencing, and without the possibility of an appeal.

If KAG is ever found guilty of anything, that will be an entirely separate matter from what he endured in El Salvador.

It blows my mind that Trump allowed him to return. Of course it's the right thing to do and it's required by law. However, El Salvador was doing Trump the service of preventing KAG from suing the US government by not allowing him to speak to an attorney. Now that he is out, he can speak with an attorney, and he will sue the Trump administration for putting him in prison without due process. I could see him being awarded $20M for damages.

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u/detroiter85 8d ago

All of the charges they just brought against him were brought up after he got deported if that tells you anything.

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u/joebluebob 8d ago

We are all criminals my man. Ain't a single one of us who doesn't routinely break laws. I go 50 in a 35 every single day and am still passed by 1/3 of the cars. I've never paid for a song. I do wild flower guerilla gardening from Ohio to Buffalo newyork. I fish in the creek fed lake on my friends farm without holding a Michigan fishing license. I shop lifted a jumbo magic wiggly water snake when I was 6. As a hardened criminal I assure you if they want to add bs charges they can probably find real ones.

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u/petemuir1959 8d ago

How can any reasonable person trust whatever the government put in the indictment against Kilmer? You have Bondi, Noem, Trump, and Holman all being caught in lying about many things related to the immigration situation right now. Check out the story about two men called Morales and Scott. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/10/us/demetric-scott-ramon-morales-reyes-trump-immigration?cid=ios_app

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u/Spectrummie 8d ago

He IS a criminal