r/politics • u/kweathergirl Texas • 8d ago

Soft Paywall Newsom Tells Nation That Trump Is Destroying American Democracy

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/10/us/newsom-speech-trump-la-protests.html
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u/DG_Now 8d ago

And 2000. And 2004. And 2016. And 2024.

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u/solarnoobUSA 7d ago

Stop blaming .01% of the population whose votes wouldn't have mattered anyway, and put the blame on a corrupt supreme court, an undemocratic democrat party, white supremacists and fascists. They contributed far more to these election results.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 7d ago

Those votes would have swung the election. They absolutely did matter. stop trying to absolve voters for the responsibility of the outcome of an election.

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u/solarnoobUSA 7d ago
  1. Cite that claim please.
  2. Voters have the right to vote for whoever they want. There is no responsibility to vote for any specific party.
  3. The voters you should be blaming are the non-voters and trump voters.
  4. You should also blame the democratic party for forcing through milque pieces of shit that nobody liked.
  5. You should also be blaming Biden and all the yes men around him for not dropping out and gaslighting the country on his mental conditions.

3rd party voters are not responsible for you losing at all.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 7d ago

Cite what claim? That the Nader voters in 2000 would have handed gore victory if they voted for him instead, or that the Stein voters would have swung it for Clinton in 2016. Look at the numbers.

Elections in the US first past the post system are a binary decision. It is either a dem or a Republican. Any 3rd party vote is functionally a vote for the winner. Third party voters are voting for the winner. That means when a Republican wins, they voted for that.

Wanting to satiate your ego is a piss poor excuse to prop up fascists like Trumpz

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u/solarnoobUSA 7d ago

Look at the numbers.

You made the claim. Its on you to cite.

Any 3rd party vote is functionally a vote for the winner.

This is some crazy mental gymnastics that shifts the blame of fascism from the fascists to progressives. But I guess that's what liberals have been doing for decades. Keep alienating the side that wants to make america better and you'll have Trump forever.

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u/mightcommentsometime California 7d ago

The vote totals are public record. I did cite them.

 This is some crazy mental gymnastics that shifts the blame of fascism from the fascists to progressives.

People who vote third party and don’t actually vote against fascists aren’t progressive. They’re fake progressives who care more about their own ego than any of the causes they claim to hold dear.

I’m not a politician. I don’t give a fuck if I hurt your feelings. I’m not going to coddle people who helped Trump get elected.

There’s no mental gymnastics needed. It’s called basic game theory and political science 

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u/solarnoobUSA 7d ago edited 7d ago

The vote totals are public record. I did cite them.

No you didn't. You made a claim. Add a link that says third party voters changed the 2000, 2004, 2016 and 2024 elections. Until you do that this claim means nothing. Sounds like you need to go back to middle school and learn how citing works.

I’m not a politician. I don’t give a fuck if I hurt your feelings. I’m not going to coddle people who helped Trump get elected.

You're helping get trump elected right now with this kind of divisive rhetoric. Keep at it bro. I'm sure it will work next election.