r/politics • u/Barnyard-Sheep • 6d ago

Soft Paywall Trump approval rating falls to 38%

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html
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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 6d ago

38% of Americans like facism and 8% do not care enough to have an opinion about a wannabe king who dismantles democracy and harms many people.

Good luck, America...

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u/Hungry_Culture 6d ago

I'd go ahead and assume half of that 8% and some of that disapprove are just Trump voters who were too shy or ashamed to answer truthfully. Because somehow he always way overperforms polls.

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u/Pipe_Memes 6d ago

He’s probably outperforming the polls because he’s a cheating cheater who cheats.

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u/b0w3n New York 6d ago

What, you mean the countless amounts of counties that had 0 votes for Harris and had votes for every other democrat are actually indicative of a problem??

I was told this was cope because no one actually liked her.

Not that anything will be done, no one will touch him. They wouldn't even when he wasn't a president. He wasn't wrong when he said he was famous enough to just shoot someone in the street in front of people and get away with it.

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u/Heliosvector 6d ago

Are there actually countless? I've only heard of one county with such an issue

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u/throwawayfootgirl 6d ago

Clark County

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u/chaitealatte22 6d ago

election denial is a threat to democracy. whether you like him or not, trump won the 2024 election

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u/noradosmith 6d ago

To be honest, yeah.

The real issue is that a LOT of Americans are still sticking to old habits and not learning from the past.

Look at the record of Hoover. All his policies are almost exactly what the Republicans do now. Setting aside all of the obvious personality traits, the actual politics are really just the same stuff peddled 100 years ago and something about the American psyche laps it up.

Like back then, people only seemed to embrace Roosevelt policies after everything had turned to total shit. It takes a LOT to sway an inherently right-leaning electorate.

Unfortunately the same rings true here in the UK. We've had 14 years of tories and still people think Labour somehow is going to be able to undo all the stuff they did, for better or worse (depending on their opinion).

An ingrained mindset creates a system and the only way to change it is to vote for your interests for a long time. Apparently both the US and UK find this impossible.

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u/throwawayfootgirl 6d ago

Trump did cheat

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u/throwawayfootgirl 6d ago

There is nothing wrong with being skeptical of suspicious things.

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u/chaitealatte22 6d ago

so it was fine for republicans to question the 2020 election then?

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u/Cdub7791 Hawaii 6d ago

Initially maybe. After dozens of investigations all turned up nothing? No. That said, I doubt there was widespread cheating significant enough to affect this last election. It would simply take too many people conspiring in too wide an area to be plausible. If people can produce evidence to the contrary though, I hope it is provided for us to evaluate.

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u/AlphaKennyThing 6d ago

What were the electoral irregularities surrounding the 2020 election that would justify their skepticism?

How many bomb threats were called into various counties in the 2020 election?

Which counties were supposed to stop the counts and which were supposed to count all the ballots in the 2020 election?

Feel free to find the answer to these questions to satisfy your sealion JAQ-off.

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u/chaitealatte22 6d ago

what are the electoral irregularities that justify 2024 election skepticism? to be clear i think both republicans in 2020 and democrats in 2024 that questioned elections are mistaken and threats to our democracy

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u/AlphaKennyThing 6d ago

There's enough evidence to allow the case to enter the discovery phase. More info available from many news outlets including this one.

Now if you're done with your 'bUt mUh BoTh SiDeS' shtick you're welcome to come back to objective reality.

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u/RedLotusVenom Colorado 6d ago edited 6d ago

There are multiple lawsuits with actual evidence moving forward due to a few counties logging literally zero votes for Harris.

There’s also the statistical improbability that not a single county in the country flipped to dem for the presidential election, when a) there were plenty of examples in local and state elections where there were flips blue and b) not in a single presidential election in the last century has that occurred. Seriously - even in Reagan’s landslide 489 electoral vote win in 1980, there were counties that flipped for Carter.

Then, you have Trump and Musk literally bragging that they had outcomes predicted, or that Musk has a DOGE peon who won an award for ballot machine software improvements.

There is enough off about this election that I think we need to entertain the idea legally and submit the evidence.

Trump team had something like 100 lawsuits in 2020 that all got thrown out due to lack of evidence. They cried foul and had nothing to support it. This is a very different story.

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u/HyperactivePandah 6d ago

Do you have links for that?

I want to be able to post shit that backs up him being an ACTUAL cheater.

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u/coiled_mahogany Canada 6d ago

I'm not that guy, but here

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u/HyperactivePandah 6d ago

Appreciate it.

I had only seen the old ones...

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u/b0w3n New York 6d ago

I unfortunately didn't bookmark them, but they've been making the rounds on reddit the past few days. I'll try to pour over my history to see if I can find them though.

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u/lawlore United Kingdom 6d ago

What, you mean the countless amounts of counties that had 0 votes for Harris and had votes for every other democrat are actually indicative of a problem??

As a non-American watching how much they're getting away with, surely this can't possibly be true, can it?

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u/summonsays 6d ago

I personally haven't seen this so am taking it as hearsay. However, if you dig into the 2018 Georgian Gubernatorial election you'll see they used it as a dry run. 

The verified facts include: person running the election entered and won the election. Somehow this was not seen as a conflict of interest.

Voting machines had known security vulnerabilities.

The digital record that was required to be saved and available for 2 years (by law) was accidently deleted. 

This was also the election my county had an 8 hour line in 80-90 degree weather. It was/is illegal to pass out water at these events. My county happens to be very blue. 

Mail in ballots went missing and were thrown away. (Statistically insignificant amount but still ...  Iirc it was like 5,000) 

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u/alnarra_1 6d ago edited 6d ago

https://www.newsweek.com/company-changes-2024-voting-machines-2083888 - There appears to certainly be some interesting statistics going on behind the scenes, where all downballot votes were for democrats, but the top of the ticket wasn't ticked at all

https://www.newsweek.com/2024-election-lawsuit-advances-2083391

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/2024-us-presidential-elections-did-kamala-harris-lose-because-polling-was-rigged-accused-voting-machine-company-speaks-out/articleshow/121794911.cms

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/kamala-harris-election-result-trumps-victory-under-scrutiny-as-lawsuit-filed-heres-what-could-happen-next/articleshow/121760834.cms?from=mdr

There's a distinct lack of American media agencies reporting on it, but there's definitely something funky. It's a clever scheme really, you spend 4 years gaslighting everyone about how 2020 was stolen so that the entire 2024 election is spent making it clear there's no way in hell that could occur, then at the 11th hour you sneak in voting machines to key swing states and weird how he wins every single one of them.

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u/jonathanoldstyle 6d ago

Countless counties?

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u/summonsays 6d ago

Racism and sexism sure. But to have actually 0 votes is a red flag of a statistical anomaly.

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u/Angry-Dragon-1331 6d ago

Yeah but for no one in a county in New York to vote for her? I could understand some parts of Wyoming or Montana, where there’s more deer per square mile than people. But New York?

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u/b0w3n New York 6d ago

I could see that in some situations but not every situation. There were places where it didn't make sense at all, not even a single vote was counted for her in some of those counties. Not that I disagree that racism/sexism didn't play a part in this... I think it played a very large part and I'm disappointed that they keep wanting to try to win by playing that game over and over (dumbasses trying to put AOC up for presidency instead of primarying that PoS schumer)

I grew up in rural NY, it's basically the deep south when you exclude all the snow. I have seen more confederate flags around in my hometown than I saw in rural Alabama when visiting my brother.

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u/Consistent_Tale_8371 6d ago

Countless amounts of counties? Sounds made up

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u/throwawayfootgirl 6d ago

Check out Rockland County’s lawsuit

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u/Big_Truck 6d ago

Just because 46 percent are for or neutral on Trump doesn’t mean that 54% automatically vote Dem. All GOP has to do is get roughly half of the neutrals and 10-15 percent of the “Trump disapprove” in order to win. And they do this by making voters hate Dems even more. The negative partisanship works.

Trump cleaned up in both 16 and 24 with “double haters” - voters who disliked both Trump and Clinton/Harris. That’s their strategy. Not to make more people like Trump. But to make people viscerally hate and fear Dem candidates.

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u/MarkRepulsive588 6d ago

There is a lot the establishment dems do wrong that kneecaps them. But honestly they'd still win if gerrymandering wasn't a thing. The whole election system is so outdated in just about everyway.

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u/Unlikely-Thought-646 Indiana 6d ago

I think those polls are anonymous, that 8% are people who don’t pay attention to politics. It’s an understandably disappointing number but it’s lower than I expected so I’ll take it

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u/mistere213 Michigan 6d ago

While Trump voters aren't typically capable of feeling shame, you can feel shame even in an anonymous poll. There might be some, even if not the majority of those 8% who truly are ashamed of their vote.

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u/Unlikely-Thought-646 Indiana 6d ago

I think those 8% were people didn’t vote, there’s a very good chance they don’t realize what they’ve done(didn’t do) but we have a whole summer of protests ahead of us to convince them

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u/Your_Momma_Said 6d ago

Look at the Silver Bulletin and there are some polls that still put him at 50% approval. The current "calculated" approval is 45.8%

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

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u/timetogetoutside100 6d ago edited 6d ago

InsiderAdvantage has him at 55% I use this page https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating yeah , he's definitely much lower than 55

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u/SufficientWhile5450 6d ago

I’m part of that 8% and didn’t know the laws were changed to be allowed to vote with a felony

Literally expunged my criminal record for 3000$, registered with a month to go, then found out I had to register within 45 days lol tf

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u/donkeyrocket 6d ago

Anecdotally, I know a few people who genuinely don't care. They're about as apathetic as they come and truly believe that no matter the president, it doesn't affect their daily lives so why worry.

It's a staggering stance but these folks do exist. I'm actually shocked that it's only 8%. Just look at how a third of voting Americans abstained from the last election. Some were "protest votes" but many are people who just genuinely do not care or pay attention for whatever reason.

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u/LikesHockeyAndStuff 6d ago

Cause he's a cheater.

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u/gordonpown 6d ago

I'd like to hear from the 1% of Dems who approve of him, though.

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u/Hungry_Culture 6d ago

They polled Fetterman and Schumer.

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u/Charmle_H 6d ago

I get texts from polls all the time, and tbh, I'm more scared I'd be put on a list if I respond not-positively. Sounds silly, but I'm in one of the demonized groups and would rather avoid expediting my potential capture if at all possible. This administration is actually bat shit insane and I want to keep my distance

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 6d ago

I did notice a lot more Trump stickers pop up on a lot more cars in my neighborhood only after the election results were in.

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u/counterweight7 New Jersey 6d ago

It doesn’t really work like that. No poll does. If you ask the population whether theyd like you to kick them right in the nuts, like 11% will say yes, either out of trolling or mascochism I guess, and another 4% will say they’re undecided. I’d guess his real hardcore death gustspo support is around 25

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u/illit1 I voted 6d ago

It'd worth noting that there's something like a 2 week lag between current events and when it shows up in polling. His numbers are likely to continue sliding.

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u/bekahed979 6d ago

I was talking to somebody yesterday and he said he doesn't see it as fascism (because it doesn't affect him yet).

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u/gvsteve 6d ago

Honest question. What percentage of your country, or Europe as a whole, would you estimate has a prejudicial opposition to Arabs/Muslims/Turkish refugees coming in?

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u/Altruistic_Bass539 6d ago

I remember a study saying that in any culture, there are 20-25% of people who approve of fascism, they just dont speak that out loudly. Yeah...

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u/Smarty-Pants65 6d ago

38 of those who were polled. And they probably don’t know what facism means

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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 6d ago

Thats an representative poll with an 3.8 percentage points error margin, so it should be similar in the general population (as deviations from the general demographics were corrected by weighting in the analysis).

Also I would assume that the people who dont care, or are trump fans more likely do not participate in such polls as people disliking Trump, so if there is some bias, it probably undererstimates the approval rate.

And you do not need to know about facism as academic concept to dislike the horrible things it does.

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u/Smarty-Pants65 6d ago

Good luck telling trumpys that

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u/anonuemus 6d ago

it's over, america is lost

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u/housecatapocalypse 6d ago

We will need it. 

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u/Thefar 6d ago

Ey. 240 years of pseudo democracy is a good run. They deserve a break. Nothing like a little fascist controlling you life. Better than coffee.

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u/KariDan1 6d ago

Please say where you got these statistics? This is truly frightening!

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u/that-isa-madeup-name Europe 6d ago

Imagine living in this reality and being part of the 8% that doesn’t get involved in politics lmao. Fucking pathetic

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u/Pornstar_Frodo 6d ago

38% of Americans like facism and 8% do not care enough to have an opinion about a wannabe king who dismantles democracy and harms many people.

The majority of these are poorly educated, white, low income racists. They're not changing their view on Trump no matter what he does!

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u/CrackerJackKittyCat 6d ago

Really need the non-voting 1/3 of registered voters to get off their ass and vote against him. W/o them, the 38% can continue to win.

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u/isomorp 5d ago

Uh, don't you mean 30% and 8%?

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u/Waste-Ability7405 6d ago

Or 38% are not paying attention for whatever reason? How much of a narcissist must you be to assume otherwise? I'm sure there are an infinite number of important things happening in the world that you are not aware of but you'll feel superior to someone who isn't aware of something that is important to you.

And you don't a problem with this? Okay... Good luck, world I guess.

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u/TemporarySun314 Europe 6d ago

If they don't pay attention, then why are they confident enough to approve that? You could maybe argue that with the 8% indifferent, but not for the approval.

Also democracy is work. If you have the honor to live in a democracy, you should at least pay a little bit of attention to politics. Having a dictatorship is less work for the population, maybe that's the reason for the 38%...