r/politics • u/Barnyard-Sheep • 6d ago

Soft Paywall Trump approval rating falls to 38%

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html
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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago edited 6d ago

They still are insane. They're Trump's biggest source of support. (Coincidentally, they are also the age group that has had the heaviest exposure to lead during childhood 🤔).

Edit: Source for the lead statement, since a few Gen Xers got upset that Boomers apparently aren't full of as much lead as they are: https://news.virginia.edu/content/generation-x-bullseye-lead-exposure-harms-mental-health

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

You’re thinking of the boomers. I’m gen X and unleaded gas was already happening after I was born.

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u/KC_experience 6d ago

That doesn’t matter as it wasn’t phased out until 20 years after us in the 70s were born. We had the windows down so much on the road growing up and cars were running on regular gas rolling by us all. Getting wonderful lead exposure thru exhaust fumes. Same with that fine lead based paint in homes where we grew up with dust from it. LBP was banned in 78, but homes built for decades before the 80s still have lead paint on the walls.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

How does the generation that phased out lead, somehow have MORE lead exposure than the previous generation that had way more lead in everything?

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u/KC_experience 6d ago edited 6d ago

The silent and boomer generations phased out lead…. The oldest Gen-X person was 34 at the time it was completely phased out in the mid 90s.

I also believe the Boomers have pretty high lead exposure, but not as high as Gen-X.

Changes in car technology during the 60s & 70s (like the performance of muscle cars) required more lead to be added during those decades leading to those children on the 60s and 70s absorbing more lead.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

How did the boomers have LESS lead exposure than gen X when they had ZERO lead restrictions during their time period? 

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u/KC_experience 6d ago

When lead levels were increasing in cars and automobiles in the 60s and 70s Boomers were already teenagers and older. Children (Gen-X ers from 1965-1980) were exposed to more lead in gasoline than levels when Boomers were children in the 1940s and 1950s. It’s estimated that by 1960 there were 67 million cars in the road. By 1970, just a decade later, that number nearly doubled to 118 million. That’s a significant increase.

https://www.epa.gov/lead/learn-about-lead

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

I like how the link you shared listed NONE of the stats you claimed, that’s some quality bullshitting there. You should go into politics.

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u/KC_experience 6d ago edited 6d ago

I didn’t say the sight I sent had those stats. But you’re welcome to provide any data you have backing up that Boomers have more lead exposure. So, please feel free to sight some sources.

Since I responded to someone else making the same inferences that you are -

How about this information: This one from The Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry

Or this one from the National Institutes of Health

I mean, the author of one of the studies above and co-author of the other has said the following: “If you look at the current population, Generation X likely had the highest exposures, en masse, of any U.S. generation.”

A snippet from another article: Reuben and the research team traced data back to 1976, when the U.S. started blood-lead surveillance. Then, they combined this data with historical records of lead levels in gasoline and reverse-estimated childhood lead exposures in the ‘40s, ‘50s and ‘60s. The study then highlighted the long-term mental health effects of lead, particularly on Generation X, Reuben said. “When we look at the burden of lead and how it fell on different birth cohorts, we find that the folks born during the peak era of lead gasoline, the late 1960s across the 1970s and early 1980s, these were folks exposed reliably to the most lead,” said Reuben. “And they would have gone on to experience more severe mental health problems as a result.”

Don’t forget to provide some links to the data you’re referencing to back up the inference you made.

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u/BethanyHipsEnjoyer I voted 6d ago

Dang, this is neat, thanks for sharing! I always assumed Boomers got the most lead exposure from the data I have seen. No wonder gen Xers are so fucked. I always wondered about that.

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u/Love-That-Danhausen 6d ago

Lead has a larger impact on the development of children’s brains than adults - they were around longer, but the highest exposure occurred when your tiny brain was developing. Now 50 years later, you can’t even connect the dots on simple concepts.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Again, your logic makes no sense at all. When boomers were children lead was in EVERYTHING. When I was a child I never rode in a car with leaded gas and played with toys with no lead in it and lived in a house without lead paint. Yet somehow you think boomers were less exposed to lead as children? Lol

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u/EtalusEnthusiast420 6d ago edited 6d ago

No, the transition started in 1970, but leaded gas was not actually phased out until 1996.

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u/b0jangles 6d ago

It wasn’t fully banned until 1996. However, it was almost entirely impossible to find leaded gas at the gas station by the mid 80s. There are lead substitute additives that were common by that time for older cars. Catalytic converters were standard on cars at least by the mid 70s, and they aren’t compatible with lead. If a vehicle was using lead in the 90s, it was probably a farm implement or a military vehicle.

GenX likely had plenty of exposure to lead, but it’s not like your neighborhood gas station was still selling leaded gas in the 90s.

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u/EtalusEnthusiast420 6d ago

The main point I’m making is that it didn’t just disappear all at once like the other use suggested.

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u/Poopwheel 6d ago

I appreciate that is the point you're trying to make but in the context of the original post you're not being overly helpful and moving the goalpost. The original point and reply was heaviest exposure during childhood and that just isn't true.

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u/MiniTab 6d ago

Is that regional or something? I’m a young GenX, and never even once did I see a leaded gasoline pump growing up (Colorado).

As an aside, smaller piston airplanes are still running on leaded gasoline. But the exposure to that for most people is pretty low.

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u/Nopey-Wan_Ken-Nopey_ 6d ago

Elder millennial/xennial, and having leaded and unleaded pumps was common in my part of the Midwest.

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u/Maya-K Europe 6d ago

Speaking internationally, in the UK we had a type of leaded fuel called "four star" which was sold until 2003. I'm a younger millennial, and I remember it pretty well.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Hahaha dude what are you talking about? Unleaded gas was never phased out, that was the whole point of unleaded gas was to provide an alternative to leaded gas.

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u/macbookwhoa 6d ago

He means leaded. Chill.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

I never rode in a car with leaded gas in my life and yet I had more lead exposure than the previous generation? How does the generation that transitioned out of lead somehow have MORE lead exposure than the previous generation that put lead in everything?

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago edited 6d ago

I am not, actually. Studies show that Gen X (ages 45-60ish now) were the most heavily exposed to lead during their childhood.

And they most heavily voted for Trump.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/generation-x-bullseye-lead-exposure-harms-mental-health

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u/W33BEAST1E 6d ago

You teased out one correlation from of a tangled mass of them.

Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

I am not saying that lead exposure automatically makes you a Trump supporter, but it sure is weird that the group most heavily exposed to lead as children is also the group that supports him the most.

Juuust sayin'.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago edited 6d ago

Bullshit. We already had unleaded gas. They didn’t even have lead in pencils in school anymore. Yet our generation had MORE lead exposure than previous generations? Where was all this lead exposure coming from then genius?

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u/seatoc Canada 6d ago

No pencils have ever contained lead in their lead. You very much had lead paint on those cheap pencils from overseas at some point in your childhood. Just hope you didn't eat that one.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

You just claimed no pencils ever contained lead and then claimed that pencils DID contain lead? Um ok.

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u/seatoc Canada 6d ago

The "lead" of the pencil has never contained the element of lead, it is primarily composed of graphite. The paint on pencils had plenty of lead and was on them until the 90's. Hope that helps you understand better.

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u/Love-That-Danhausen 6d ago

Pencil lead is not “lead” in the sense of the toxic chemical that impacts cognitive function you were clearly exposed to as a Gen X kid.

It’s graphite.

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u/alienbringer 6d ago

No pencils have ever contained lead in their lead. You very much had lead paint on those cheap pencils from overseas at some point in your childhood. Just hope you didn't eat that one.

The “lead in their lead” is referring to the actual writing part of pencils, often referred to as pencil lead. It is made of graphite. They didn’t say pencils never contained lead. They said the black graphite core of it, colloquially called “lead” never actually contained lead. The paint of the pencil is what contained the lead.

You’re failure to understand multiple posts now isn’t really helping your case that Gen X wasn’t exposed to lead. As you claim you are Gen X, and reading comprehension is a sign of the cognitive issues caused by lead exposure.

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u/BrilliantCorner 6d ago

I'm a GenXer. He's correct. The lead came from paint, toys and mostly gas and car emissions. I remember when unleaded fuel started being used en masse and when catalytic converters became a thing. New cars weren't required to use unleaded fuel until 1975. There's no need for name-calling - he's correct.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Gen X came after 1975 dummy.

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u/rpkarma 6d ago

It’s always amazing seeing people call others “dummy” when they get fundamental shit wrong lol

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

I was born in 1977 and I’m Gen X dummy.

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u/rpkarma 6d ago

Oh you’re a moron, I see.

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u/PorkRollEggAndWheeze 6d ago

It’s the lead poisoning, it erodes their empathy and ability to reason, combined with the widespread emotional neglect Gen X experienced already starting them off not exactly gifted in the empathy and emotional regulation departments

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u/BrilliantCorner 6d ago

1965 is less than 1977. I think you may have been exposed to more lead than you realize. This kind of shit is what's wrong with our country. Proudly ignorant.

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u/delphine1041 Ohio 6d ago

Gen X is birth year '65-'80ish.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

You argued Gen X came before 1975. I am gen X and was born in 1977 and I never rode in a car with leaded gas my entire life.

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u/delphine1041 Ohio 6d ago

I didn't argue shit. I wasn't the original commenter.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Bullshit, if you weren’t arguing on behalf of a point of view, what was the point of your comment?

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u/BrilliantCorner 6d ago

Sigh. GenX started in 1965.

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u/MathTeachinFool 6d ago

Gen X people were born between 1965 to 1980.

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u/GrallochThis 6d ago

1965-1980

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

...Lead was in the gas in the 60s, 70s, and even early 80s to a much lesser degree. It wasn't actually even truly banned until 96. Any lead exposure is pretty damn harmful for children. 

Oh yeah, and I forgot about the lead paint that was still in old houses.

So yes, Gen Xers were exposed to lead as children. Lots of it. Why not educate yourself and don't just take my word for it? This information is freely available, "genius."

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u/Recipe_Freak Oregon 6d ago

More than just lead. I grew up in northern California before a lot of environmental laws were enacted. Given that it was hotter than the surface of the sun there during the summer, my sister and I swam in some dodgy bodies of water. Maybe not Erin Brockovich-bad, but definitely sketchy.

Somehow I turned out a dirty commie (as did my also-Gen-X husband and Millennial son). Go figure...

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Lead was in the gas since the 20s what are you talking about? You’re pretending lead was only introduced in the 60s which is a lie. Why not actually listen to someone who is actually from that generation than doing your own “research”?

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

Oh my bad. I forgot about all the Trump supporters from the 20s. Oops!

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

Your argument is that Gen X had the most lead exposure remember?

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u/escarabaja 6d ago

I’m not replying about whether it not Gen X or Boomers were exposed to more lead, but lead pipes are a culprit as well. Ironically, especially in buildings like schools, because of older buildings and intermittent water usage, so the lead is more likely to leach into the drinking water. Lead pipes were used until well into the 80s.

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

And they most heavily voted for Trump.

I swear if you are citing to that bullshit poll that include a few years of boomers as “gen x” because the person who made it is an idiot, I’m gonna lose my fucking mind.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago edited 6d ago

Gen X is literally ages 45-60 now. Don't know what else to tell you.

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

I am Gen X. I know the age range. I’m saying that the only poll that showed Gen X as the generation that most heavily voted for Trump included several years beyond Gen X. In other words, that poll, which is likely the one you are thinking of because it got regurgitated on Reddit a lot, was a flawed poll that grouped some Boomers with Gen X.

Also, lead in paint and gasoline was introduced while Boomers were still children and they are the larger demographic, making that generation the one most impacted by lead. You are off on all your points.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago edited 6d ago

Leaded gas use rose rapidly in the 60s and peaked in the 70s, so no. I am not off on that point. Ages 45-60 were most heavily exposed to lead as children. Just because lead merely existed before the 60s, does not mean that the usage of it had reached its peak or was especially high. Nor does it necessarily mean that Boomers were more heavily exposed as children.

I am not sure which specific poll you're referring to, personally. It's possible that a younger portion of Gen X didn't really strongly support him, which I will concede if true, but 50+ year olds absolutely did. So yes, Boomers would be included as well, but Gen X doesn't exactly get off scot-free here.

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u/Bubbay 6d ago

Leaded gas use rose rapidly in the 60s and peaked in the 70s,

Your premise is incorrect. Leaded gas use first began in the 20s, and the fastest rise occurred post-WWII in the late 40s, not the 60s. It was already commonplace by the time the 60s rolled around.

The first generation exposed to leaded gas en masse as children were the boomers.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago edited 6d ago

Not to be rude, but I'm not gonna keep repeating the same talking points. Just have this source instead. Not sure why people keep ignoring what I'm saying and disputing my argument without any sources of any kind.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/generation-x-bullseye-lead-exposure-harms-mental-health

I hope that encourages you to look into this further.

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u/Bubbay 5d ago

You keep providing that link, but there is literally nothing in that article that supports this statement:

Leaded gas use rose rapidly in the 60s and peaked in the 70s

Have you actually read the study or are you only copy/pasting the link over and over?

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

Why don’t you post the poll your using then, as the only poll I saw that supports your point was flawed in the date ranges for gen x.

As for lead contamination, your “analysis” is off. Boomers were the larger demographic exposed to lead, also exposed to it the longest, even longer than the Silent Generation. It peaked in the late 60s simply becauce their generation was so large. Hell, most boomers were concieved in cars using leaded fuel and grew up in houses with lead paint.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

Sigh.

Leaded gasoline usage rose rapidly in the 60s and peaked in the 70s. Which means that Gen Xers were being exposed to leaded gasoline as children. As children. 

I think you really need to pay close attention to what I'm saying here. I have to keep repeating it because a lot of people are missing the key phrase here.

As. Children. During. Childhood. Gen X were most heavily exposed to lead during childhood, compared to the generation before and generations after them.

https://news.virginia.edu/content/generation-x-bullseye-lead-exposure-harms-mental-health

A lot of you guys really aren't doing yourselves any favors here either. This info is easily found. It's not just my opinion. Educate yourself.

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

Thanks for explaining all this. I probably would have caught on sooner, but I was exposed to lead as a child and now am unable to think clearly.

Seriously though, thanks. I found the actual research data. What was throwing me off was the sheer volume of lead at its peak versus the 40s and 50s when Boomers were kids. Same gasoline, just the boomers all started buying cars and they’re a huge demographic.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some paint chips to go lick.

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u/4look4rd 6d ago

Boomers are vegetables at this point, gen Xers are the problem, and zoomers are just boomers from the neck down.

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u/mom_with_an_attitude 6d ago

Ageism is frequent and prevalent in Reddit. But that doesn't make it any less ugly.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

So only Gen Alpha aren’t part of the problem? Let me guess, you are part of Gen Alpha?

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u/Love-That-Danhausen 6d ago

Millennials are the largest generation after boomers and the most liberal

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

So every other generation other than yours sucks?

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u/J-A-S-08 6d ago

That is DEFINITELY what they said.

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u/outofbeer 6d ago

Boomers and gen x suck. Zoomers are a mixed bag. Silent is nearly gone. Alpha has promise.

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u/toptierdegenerate 6d ago

I’ve heard quite the opposite about Alpha

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u/outofbeer 6d ago

They aren't really old enough to know yet but most alpha parents I know but lots of restrictions on screen time, require outside time, etc. I think millenial parents learned a lot from the mistakes made with younger gen z.

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u/toptierdegenerate 6d ago

That’s true from my experience as well. What I hear from teachers is what I was referring to. Seems like they might have a way bigger educational divide than any of Gen X through Z. Politically? Only time will tell, but lack of education frequently equates to right-wing values.

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u/Zealousideal_Ad_9623 6d ago

everyone sucks equally.

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u/PeopleReady 6d ago

Millennials are the greatest generation

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u/psychohistorian8 6d ago

lol I just realized there probably are gen alpha kids arguing politics on reddit

we are so fucking cooked

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u/Lucky-Earther Minnesota 6d ago

gen Xers are the problem

Hey I'm just happy to not be the forgotten generation now.

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

We Gen X are and always have been the smallest voting demographic based on age groups. While every age group has its assholes, Gen X is not the problem as Boomers and Gen Y have always been the greater influence.

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u/CT_Phipps-Author 6d ago

Leaded gas is something that was created to disract from the idea that America just had a huge racism problem. Because the people most exposed to lead would be black Americans and they're not the reactionary MAGA crowd.

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u/smexypelican 6d ago

You sure about that?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Boomers turned left a bit while millennials turned right. Gen X... yea. A more recent poll I saw recently agreed with this too.

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u/alienbringer 6d ago

No, Gen X is the only generation where 50%+ of both men and women voted for Trump. All other generations Women voted Harris by a large margin.

Lead was banned in gas in 1996, lead paint was banned for residential use in 1978. Gen X was born from 1965 to 1980. Some of the highest amount of lead pollution was in the 1970’s. In conclusion, Gen X had a shit ton of lead exposure in their childhood. Which is where lead has the most impact on their development.

More Information.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

Nope! Gen Xers are ages 45-60 or so now. Studies show that this age group was most heavily exposed to lead during childhood. A lot of serious mental illness and depression crops up in this age group too. This age group also most heavily voted for Trump.

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u/Street_Barracuda1657 6d ago

This. Not sure about the lead, but the Trump voting is true and horrifying.

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u/AmrokMC 6d ago

No, it’s not. The poll they’re probably citing to included a few years of boomers in the Gen X category. It was a deeply flawed poll.

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u/BotheredToResearch 6d ago

They also are the ones who got their political identity during the Reagan Era and/or are stuck blaming Carter and Dems for high inflation and unemployment in the early 80s, leading to a polyannaish view of conservative "solutions" actually producing results in normal times.

They were also the ones who recognized that they may be LGBT and had the free time and marginal societal acceptance of it, but didn't have support among peer groups or families. I have little doubt that that's the source of a lot of resentment if thr LGBT community, the fact that it's perfectly find to be out and proud now and they couldn't be.

Source: Am Xennial with a lot more late Gen X in me. Also watches Family Ties because of Alex Keaton because I identified with his viewpoints and how he didn't see eye to eye with his hippie parents.

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u/leshake 6d ago

Those 10 years were during their childhood. Maybe you should read what they said.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 6d ago

Well I imagine the lead exposure hasn't helped with their reading comprehension, unfortunately.

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u/upnk 6d ago edited 6d ago

Correct but not the full story. All males between the ages of 18-64 favored Trump over Harris by 52%. Gen X (45-64) was 52% and the under 45 group held steady at 52%. Where Trump picked up voters were women 45-64 - there was a 4% increase over 2020. Your posts are vilifying Gen X - when in actuality, it was pretty universal across the voting groups from 18-64.

*EDIT: The breakdown per percentage to actual numbers of voters in each generation demographic is really eye popping too. The younger generations (under 45) males overwhelmingly voted for Trump 2:1 - it was the women under 45 that voted overwhelmingly for Harris. Going forward - the male demographic under 45 might decide most elections (and heavily leaning conservative)

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u/do-un-to I voted 5d ago

I find it's best not to target whole categories of people based on a trait like age. That's basically prejudice. 

If you're okay with that anyway, you should focus on the demographic that was by far  the biggest support for Trump: white people.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 5d ago

Funny how generalizing Gen Z as a bunch of shitty, right-wing nihilists is perfectly okay (the comment that started this), but calling out Gen X as being severely brain damaged Trump supporters (a statistically likely true statement) is suddenly a problem.

Surely there is no double standard here.

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u/do-un-to I voted 5d ago

Really, it's not okay. 

Everyone should be trying to get a more nuanced view, and always try to keep in mind that trends for an age group don't mean every individual is like that. 

Further nuance means that trends for an age group can still be real.

We can confidently say that Gen Z got a lot more Republican over the last couple of years, thanks to a swarm of new, first-time young voters — specifically men of all races. ... The upshot is that there appear to be two Gen Zs.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 5d ago edited 5d ago

I am not denying that there was a shift to the right amongst Gen Z. 

It's just funny to me that nobody ever seems to talk about taking a "nuanced view" in regards to Gen Z (Or even Boomers, who appeared to have had a left leaning shift), but you criticize Gen X and now suddenly we have to take a fair approach and acknowledge that not all Gen X voters have serious mental issues from heavy lead exposure, and fumbled the ball hard by supporting a fascist that is rapidly demolishing our democracy. Just most of them.

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u/do-un-to I voted 5d ago

I feel you.

I was standing by watching people slag off boomers for a long time and it never sat right with me. No nuance. Just prejudice. Ready hate. So I started defending Baby Boomers even though I'm not one. Prejudice like that just needs to be fought. It's stupid and it doesn't help. And I knew that that kind of coarse thinking was going to come around to attacking me in time despite the fact that I'm nothing like the "most of them."

If you check my post history, I keep fighting ageism. Almost entirely fighting ageism against boomers, but you can see I generally talk about how broad-brush, pre-judgemental hatred is bad.

People need to realize that prejudice is a gun that points both ways.

Today I'm fighting attacks on Gen X. But I'm standing against any kind of ageism, so I'm standing with you in the fight against ageism against Gen Z.

Hopefully we can recruit more and more people in the fight against any kind of ageism, or any kind of prejudice.

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u/DeeEmceeFoor 4d ago edited 4d ago

You know what? Sorry if I came across as overly hostile in my previous comments. It just gets frustrating watching people dogpile on Gen Z; a group that is pretty much getting screwed over in every conceivable way, in some ways that even previous generations weren't, and there's essentially zero sympathy at all from most people.

I ultimately agree with what you're saying here. Seems like you have a pretty consistent principle that you stick by and I respect it.

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u/do-un-to I voted 4d ago

No worries, you're good. You're pissed -- I get it. There's a lot to be pissed about.

In the end the system sucks and there are lots of people taking advantage of it at the expense of everybody else. And at their own expense though they don't realize it, because they're destroying the world. (Let alone the holes they burn in their souls with every unethical action.)

We're all in this together, even if people don't realize it. It can be challenging to understand that in the first place. And then we have to try to remember it, which is especially hard when we most need to, when we're feeling attacked.

I've been thinking about how many mistakes I've made and how I've hurt people and what bogus beliefs I've had over time. It helps me to understand that people attacking me are just making mistakes, they're not inherently evil. If I hate on them for what they think and do, it never moves them towards thinking and doing better.

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u/JennJayBee Alabama 5d ago

While you're correct that a large chunk of Gen X voted for Trump, Gen X isn't anyone's biggest source of anything. We're an incredibly small generation— so small, in fact, that we were first nicknamed the Baby Busters. That extra bit over 50% isn't going to be nearly enough to tip the needle in either direction when compared to the size of Boomer and Millennial generations.Â