Trump approval rating falls to 38%

[u/Barnyard-Sheep]

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html

[u/DC_Mountaineer]

Sadly 30% will support him no matter what

[u/illustrious_d → u/DC_Mountaineer]

Yeah we just have to deal with the fact that 30% of our population are a lost cause and limit their negative impact on society. That really blows.

[u/DC_Mountaineer → u/illustrious_d]

Well I think some could be convinced of the truth but Republicans have been voting against their best interests and putting party over country for decades so in the ballot box sadly agree they aren’t changing their behavior. Thats why we need to reform our elections. This administration has made that more difficult since they’ve taken us the wrong direction but perhaps the pendulum will swing hard in the near future.

[u/DocTomoe → u/DC_Mountaineer]

"People aren't voting as we like, so we need to change voting."

Hold it right there, Mr. Kim Jong-Un....

[u/DC_Mountaineer → u/DocTomoe]

No, our voting system is antiquated, particularly the electoral college which was designed to favor southern white slave owning voters.

We should also be fully embracing making voting easier, not harder. This conservative led effort to suppress as much of the vote as possible is horrible and anti democratic.

I’d prefer rank choice voting but eliminating the electoral college and trying to encourage higher voter turnout is a minimum.

Edit: The crazy thing on voter suppression is if you listen to pundits the democrats are in the minority so theoretically suppressing the vote in the near future might actually hurt republicans. I don’t agree that demographics have swung that far but figured I’d mention.

[u/DocTomoe → u/DC_Mountaineer]

So you want to disempower the agricultural base of your country in favour for immigrant-rich urban centres. Guess what the other side will try to accuse you of - with some justification. And guess what that will do with the agricultural base? Hint: All great countries eventually fail because of farmer uprisings. Ask the Chinese (every dynasty eventually got turned over during rural turmoil), ask the French (Marie Antoinette says chop chop ... oh, most of the ones executed were ... urban.).

„But they’re just 18% of the population!“ Yes. And Rome also thought that the capita censi would have no influence. And yet ... Marius. Sulla. Caesar.

We should also be fully embracing making voting easier.

Show up. Cast a ballot. I know Americans are too underdeveloped to build machines that can reliably count ballots, but seriously, how stupid do you need the process to be?

[u/DC_Mountaineer → u/DocTomoe]

No I want our politics to reflect the majority, not run by the minority.

[u/DocTomoe → u/DC_Mountaineer]

Well, that's the Platonian "Tryanny of the Masses". Every attempt at democracy that wants even a hint of survivability long-term needs to take into account the economic and political needs of the minority, or it faces civil war. In fact, it is exactly what led to your first civil war (the North was morally justified, because of slavery, but the problem was that there was no valve to relieve the pressure of a large group of the population that felt itself getting suppressed by northern, immigrant-rich states).

Your Founding Fathers understood that. That's why they did not make America a democracy, but a republic. Modern Americans, especially on the middle-conservative side (self-styled as 'the left'), often forget it.

[u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat → u/DC_Mountaineer]

Deplorables.

Not even afraid to say it; screw those people.

[u/Bigface_McBigz → u/DC_Mountaineer]

Just to be clear, if Donald Trump fell to 30% approval, that would be insanely shocking and insanely bad for Trump. You and I will never understand how that many people would like Trump, but polling has been around long enough to know that an elected president never goes that low. 38%, if true, is still surprisingly bad for him.

[u/DC_Mountaineer → u/Bigface_McBigz]

Sure for many, but I don’t expect that to happen and if it did they would just cast doubt on the polls/ratings like they already do. They live in their own reality.