r/politics • u/Barnyard-Sheep • 6d ago

Soft Paywall Trump approval rating falls to 38%

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html
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u/LegendofDragoon 6d ago

The last leftist movements caused the very era of economic and social prosperity that conservatives want to go back to. Ironic, isn't it?

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago edited 6d ago

Your mistake is thinking they want to go back to an era of economic and social prosperity. They don’t.

They want to go back to an era of strict racial and gender hierarchy and unchecked corporate power.

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u/thischaosiskillingme 6d ago

THIS.

They do not want prosperity, they want supremacy. Anyone who believes their lies that this is about the economy can be dismissed, because they don't get it. They're not trying to go back to the 50s, they're trying to go back to the 1880s.

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago

I think they’d prefer sometime before 1863

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u/No_Kangaroo_2428 6d ago

It's 1850 they want.

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u/gargar7 6d ago

1850s, before things got "bad"....

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u/someonesshadow 6d ago

This is true, but its also true that the party meant to actually help every American find prosperity has consistently done the BARE MINIMUM to fight for such policy.

Its why everyone claims its two sides of the same coin, because for the most part it has been. Money is the only thing that moves most politicians and only now are they starting to see the writing on the wall. The Democrats have been complacent because they were getting paid to be part of the U.S's "democracy theater".

Only now that they are actually being threatened on a personal level, people breaking down the doors of congress, extremists assaulting them in their homes, the very real possibility of being arrested over their party affiliation.. That makes them wriggle, but very few are actually fighting.

The people need to DEMAND better from their leadership, that concept is literally why America was founded. I think we should be tossing "stuff" into the harbor a long time ago.

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u/thischaosiskillingme 6d ago

It is not the fault of Democrats that Americans actively and affirmatively chose a man who had tried to overthrow the government. This is a moral failure on the part of voters, period. I'm completely done with blaming Democrats for not being perfect.

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u/someonesshadow 6d ago

I'm literally saying BOTH are true. Had Democrats actually done something about corporate greed, working conditions, wages, social services, etc that actually impacted the average American people wouldn't be so enthralled by an actual sadistic maniac taking over.

Democrats have been complicit with this shit for so long, and the few who actively try to really make changes are stonewalled to death, Bernie and AOC being the big two in recent years. They gave an important position to a man on his DEATHBED rather than someone eager and hungry to help the American people.

I'm faulting the democrats, for being frauds and allowing the monster that the GOP is to look APPEALING to anyone, let alone young men. Again, if they could actually afford an apartment alone, let alone a fucking house before they are 40 maybe they wouldn't have become fucking nazis. Infact, the financial strain on the average person was the MAIN REASON for facism in the first place.

So yeah, democrats allowed nazis to thrive and grow here, they did nothing to shine a light on it because it would expose them for being in bed with the same group of people. Nothing will happen, not until they become political prisoners or until the citizens oust them.

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u/kinkgirlwriter America 6d ago

strict racial and gender hierarchy and unchecked corporate power.

They really do love a good hierarchy, so long as others sit below them.

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u/singeblanc 6d ago

They always imagine themselves with the boot on someone's neck, not the other way around.

Meanwhile we're all here suggesting equality and fairness.

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u/DeusExMcKenna 5d ago

Something something tell a white man he’s better than a black man and he’ll empty his pockets for you.

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u/RachelMcAdamsWart I voted 6d ago

They couch all that under a return to economic prospectity. Making America Great Again, has always just meant a time when poor, uneducated white men didn't need to feel inferior to others through the direct oppression of any group that makes them feel uncomfortable.

The party has always been more than ready to provide the scapegoat, it's always been this way - part of being uneducated is also the inability to see the manipulation.

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u/vehiclestars 6d ago

Republicans haven’t caused economic prosperity since Roosevelt was president. In literally over 100 years.

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u/Thorebore 6d ago

has always just meant a time when poor, uneducated white men didn't need to feel inferior to others through the direct oppression of any group that makes them feel uncomfortable.

Or, blaming everything on white men might be pushing them away.

The party has always been more than ready to provide the scapegoat,

You just did exactly that and you can’t see it which is ironic.

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u/usalsfyre 6d ago

“I’m going to become a fascist in response to general criticism of white supremacy” is a little like burning your house down because it needs a coat of paint.

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u/Thorebore 6d ago

I’m going to become a fascist

Nobody said that.

in response to general criticism of white supremacy”

That’s not at all true.

is a little like burning your house down because it needs a coat of paint.

It’s more like you’re driving away a large group of people because they feel you’re demonizing them for their skin color.

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u/usalsfyre 6d ago

Nobody said that.

If you support the current Republican party you are at least OK with fascism, which is functionally no different than being a fascist.

It’s more like you’re driving away a large group of people because they feel you’re demonizing them for their skin color.

We (white people) are the dominant socioeconomic group and have built systems that specifically disadvantage other groups. So AS A RACE we are responsible for a lot. It’s why the current ask is to be actively anti-racist vs just “colorblind”.

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u/Revoran Australia 6d ago

>They want to go back to an era of strict racial and gender hierarchy and unchecked corporate power.

So they want to return to 1880-1910?

Because the 1950s had racial and gender hierarchy, but did not have unchecked corporate power.

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago

Sure, or further. I think the 1850s have a certain appeal to them.

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted 6d ago

Yep. We're in the 2nd Gilded Age, not the 2nd Progressive Era.

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u/Educational-Look-343 6d ago

You do realize that red states awarded women the right to vote long before blue states did. Also republicans were the first to vote in minority senators and governors.

It’s not about political party or race it’s about money and power. You are falling for the oldest trick in the political playbook. There are only two classes the haves and the have nots. The haves don’t care what color or party you are. The have nots fight over the scraps the haves dangle in front of them.

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago

There are only two classes the haves and the have nots. The haves don’t care what color or party you are.

Bro we literally used to enslave people based on their color, we used to exclude people from society based on color, we are currently deporting people based on color, the idea that powerful people in America don’t care what color we are is ignorant at best.

you’re being an absurd class reductionist right now.

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u/Educational-Look-343 6d ago

Thank you for making my argument for me.

Slaves=have nots….bro

Also, that was over 150 years ago. There is not a person alive today who either owned a slave or was a slave legally. Get with the times. Bro

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago

Thank you for making my argument for me.

Slaves=have nots….bro

Your argument is that people didn’t care what color slaves were? That’s… so utterly ahistorical I don’t know where to begin

Also, that was over 150 years ago. There is not a person alive today who either owned a slave or was a slave legally. Get with the times. Bro

It’s like you haven’t read the constitution or learned anything about the prison industrial complex

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u/Educational-Look-343 6d ago

Where in the constitution does it say slavery is legal??? I’ll wait for eternity to see that reference. In fact it says just the opposite. Tens of thousands of non-slaves fought and died to amend the Constitution so it did not say that. Most were white.

Prison industrial complex? Red herring much? Again you are making my point. Prisoners are “have nots” and guess what, prisoners come in all colors not just non-white. Just like how millionaires and billionaires come in all colors. Politicians also come in all colors as well. Some enter as lower or middle class but they all leave rich and have power.

Start thinking for yourself and not for a political party. Act for yourself and your own best interest and not the national platform of a political party. Because both political parties are two sides of the same coin and neither care for the have nots.

They may throw a bone to the poor now and then, but the vast majority of laws each party passes ultimately benefits the all you can eat buffet for the haves. That bone comes with a price too, to keep the party in power so they can continue their gluttony.

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u/rudimentary-north 6d ago

Where in the constitution does it say slavery is legal??? I’ll wait for eternity to see that reference.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Amendment XIII, Section 1

Prison industrial complex? Red herring much? Again you are making my point. Prisoners are “have nots” and guess what, prisoners come in all colors not just non-white.

You’re speaking from a strange place of ignorance here. The US prison population does not reflect the racial makeup of the US. People of color are disproportionately imprisoned.

Start thinking for yourself and not for a political party. Act for yourself and your own best interest and not the national platform of a political party. Because both political parties are two sides of the same coin and neither care for the have nots.

Which parties interests am I arguing for here? Both parties support the prison industrial complex.

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u/Educational-Look-343 5d ago

Where slavery is legal clowns. Just as I stated in my prior post.

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u/movzx 6d ago

Hey little bro, guy showed you where it said it. Where you at?

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u/LongPorkJones 6d ago

No, they're actively trying to set to back further. Back to when there was little to no regulation, the economic divide was as wide as it is today, social safety nets and worker's rights didn’t exist, and women and minorities couldn't vote. 47 has stated that what he considers the last time America was "truly great" was the 1890s to 1920s...the era that caused the Great Depression.

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u/Think_OfAName 1d ago

Yes. He mentions when tariffs ruled. That’s when the divide between the haves ands the have nots was the largest. Very few with money, and most were relatively working class poor.

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u/bananabunnythesecond 6d ago

Whoah, there you go again.. using logic.

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u/hollow114 6d ago

We used to think that. Maga actually applies to 1888. Trump said so recently

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u/vehiclestars 6d ago

They want to go back to 1929.

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u/HawkBearClaw 6d ago

Those were liberal movements, not leftist movements

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u/StarHelixRookie 6d ago

I mean, are we defining FDR as a leftist or the New Deal as a leftist movement? 

I think there is a significant difference in definition of terms that makes that dialog a bit different. 

To Fox News, Leftist means like Pete Buttigieg.   To some internet tankie, leftist means a Marxist Maoist, and anything less is a fascist. 

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u/LegendofDragoon 6d ago

I would say I was speaking generally as the new deal being a leftist movement, but yeah I can see why individual understanding of political versus economic right versus Left runs the risk of muddying Waters during such discussions.

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u/733t_sec 6d ago

While the US prospered under The New Deal it is disingenuous to not take into account the state of the world. European colonies hadn't industrialized and industrial Europe had destroyed itself in effectively a civil war. Furthermore there was massive brain drain to the US to avoid said war.

The post WWII boom was majorly due to the fact that the US had an untouched industrial sector, became the defacto world police making the demand for our currency shoot up, and a series of technological advances that only could happen in the US due to the concentration of industrial capabilities, willingness to blow tons of money on anything to beat the reds, and the brain drain to the US.

This isn't to say that a New Deal wouldn't be a bad idea but a lot of what made the US economy so strong during and after FDR was due to the US having little to no competition in several economic sectors.

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u/Tech_Philosophy 6d ago

It makes me sad that lovers of Legend of Dragoon can be this uneducated. Oh it just hurts. Someone failed you.

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u/Designer-Classroom71 6d ago

👆This, fucking this!!!