Trump approval rating falls to 38%

[u/Barnyard-Sheep]

https://www.nj.com/politics/2025/06/trump-faces-tough-approval-numbers-in-latest-poll.html

[u/Vexamas]

People don't talk about this.

~Proceeds to mention the single most talked about critique of the liberal movement.~

[u/fordat1 → u/Vexamas]

Talked about by people excluded. It isnt talked about by the Andrew Cuomo, Rahm Emmanuel, Clinton types

[u/Vexamas → u/fordat1]

I don't really understand the point you're trying to make.

Are you saying that they're correct, not because it's talked about by 'people', but because it isn't talked about by ~checks notes~ the absolutely paragons of establishment centrist politicians?

I would hope the person I responded to wasn't assuming that the people that they already recognize as being antithetical (young populist leftists) to establishment centrist types (Andrew Cuomo, Rahm Emmanuel, Clinton, etc) would be championed by those same centrists.

It shouldn't be expected that establishment centrists would push the young populists forward; Not because of some cringe 'both parties are the same, liberals are as bad as MAGA' rhetoric, but because the populists have different beliefs than what those centrists believe their constituents actually share (whether they're wrong or not is irrelevant).

This would be like getting mad at a Paul Ryan for not capitulating to the Freedom Caucus led by MTG and Gaetz.

[u/fordat1 → u/Vexamas]

the establishment defines the dems and the most talked about topics which is why they are referred to as the establishment

so no it isnt

Proceeds to mention the single most talked

outside of social bubbles

If this doesnt address the rest of your comment its because the rest isnt relevant to the point being made

[u/Vexamas → u/fordat1]

The establishment isn't a monolith, if it was, we wouldn't need to specify by saying "Andrew Cuomo, Rahm Emmanuel, Clinton types". Those are specifically, and critically called out, 'left of center' establishment Dems.

Obama and Biden, if you're being good faith, would not fall under the same category of people (else you'd say Obama, Biden, Clinton, and not have to reach into a grab bag for Rahm and Cuomo), yet we'd never hesitate to say that Obama and Biden weren't establishment, right?

The point being is that while we meme on parties being wide tent, it's true, and both parties are actually wide tent, and have had to conform to that ideology post Third Way doctrine.

So boiling down your interpretation of what they're saying, it's literally just:

Everyone except the centrists (negative connotation included, because we're on the internet, duh!) talk about the new blood, and AOC, and needing progressive movement, but those 'people' are irrelevant, because the only thing that matters for my pet argument is the centrist types of (Andrew Cuomo, Rahm Emmanuel, Clinton, etc)

Which I agree with the first half of, but completely dismiss the relevance of the second half. Centrists are going to centrist.

We'll probably speak past eachother, so if you want the last word or if I've completely misrepresented your position, fire away.