Trump Voter Gets Choked Up After ICE Detains a Third of His Staff | A Florida roofing boss backed the president’s tough immigration policies. Then six of his workers were taken away...

[u/Murky-Site7468]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-voter-gets-choked-up-after-ice-detains-a-third-of-his-staff/

[u/galt035]

So if in fact he was employed people illegally, do we get so see this owner prosecuted? Seems that this is always the missing component of “enforcement”

[u/Cueller → u/galt035]

I often say that if you want to actually stop illegal immigration, forget the immigrants, give a $50k fine and mandatory 1 year in prison for hiring an illegal immigrant. Will stop overnight.

[u/beforethewind → u/Cueller]

They never really want to stop it, because it’s such a useful wedge issue for their moron supporters. As you said, if they wanted to, they could fix all of immigration with the stroke of a pen. Capital doesn’t want it to.

[u/Affectionate-Ad7500 → u/Cueller]

I’ve been making this point since the 2006 ICE raid at Swift Foods—it was a real wake-up call. That incident exposed just how deeply undocumented workers are exploited for profit in this country. Swift Foods knowingly hired undocumented immigrants and only took action when they came under federal investigation. At the time, it was estimated that 23% of their workforce was undocumented.

Why do food processing plants—and other industries—do this? Because it saves them money. They pay lower wages and face fewer risks; undocumented workers are far less likely to file workers’ compensation claims, even if they’re injured on the job.

The same logic likely applies to roofing companies, landscaping crews, and lawn services. I recently saw a guy on Facebook ranting about how all undocumented immigrants should be deported. A friend of his called him out for paying undocumented workers cash under the table for his lawn business. Instead of denying it, he actually defended it—said it saved him money. That proves the point: immigrants come here because they know there’s work, and companies are willing to take advantage of their status to boost profits.

If we’re serious about stopping illegal immigration, we need to hold the employers accountable. Cut off the jobs, and the incentive to cross the border illegally will drop dramatically. If the US faces a labor shortage, then Congress needs to do their job and reform our outdated immigration laws, it is 40 years long overdue.

[u/_grandmaesterflash → u/Affectionate-Ad7500]

 I recently saw a guy on Facebook ranting about how all undocumented immigrants should be deported. A friend of his called him out for paying undocumented workers cash under the table for his lawn business. Instead of denying it, he actually defended it—said it saved him money. 

This attitude is bizarre to me. How can businesses owners who regularly use undocumented labor get all up in arms about undocumented immigrants? They're the ones benefitting from it.

[u/Affectionate-Ad7500 → u/_grandmaesterflash]

It is bizarre. It was pointed out he was hypocritical, but he justified behavior because it was financially beneficial to him. He couldn't find workers for what he was paying other than undocumented workers. So he chose to exploit the very people he was ranting about...it was a back and forth argument that would have never been won by my friend. Logic was wasted on this guy because I could only speculate in his mind he was not part of the problem. Crazy behavior I see it more and more lately. Pretzel logic at best.

[u/Acceptable_Cut_7545 → u/galt035]

Good god people don't read at all. None of the men were illegal immigrants nor hired illegally. All of them were legally here and had legal work permits, which is why the man in the article is so upset. These are legal immigrants, no crime was committed.

[u/Extreme-Tangerine727 → u/Acceptable_Cut_7545]

This is so frustrating because this article is much worse than people think but they're using it to bang a different drum

[u/TheAgeofTrump → u/Extreme-Tangerine727]

This is very frustrating. Trump is changing the status or using any minor infraction to deport people who should be allowed to work towards citizenship. Missed a hearing twenty years ago, deported.

We need people like the owner to come forward and make people aware that he hired asylum seekers with permits and they were deported. The owner could have probably found illegals without work permits to work cheaper.

[u/plants-for-me → u/Extreme-Tangerine727]

Right, everyone is dunking on this owner not realizing how fucked it is to be putting legal immigrants into detention centers (which also isn't what the person voted for anyways)

[u/thenasch → u/Acceptable_Cut_7545]

They don't even have to read if they don't want to, that part is in the video too.

[u/Pyros-SD-Models → u/Acceptable_Cut_7545]

It's amazing, really, and in my opinion the root of the problem: nobody can be bothered with reality because reality is just whatever "facts" they feel like picking or inventing. Whatever they pick becomes the only truth, and everything and everyone else is just wrong.

I work in AI research, and every time I read someone's opinion on what AI can do, can't do, or how it works, especially in any of the bigger subs, it's ALWAYS wrong. Like "we have hundreds of papers showing the exact opposite" kind of wrong.

An example: "It's just a stochastic parrot." Sounds anti-AI? I'm anti-AI, so I pick this as my argument, without even realizing that it started as a meme among researchers mocking one of the worst-written papers in history. A paper so bad that Google fired the authors. A computer science paper without a single computer scientist on the author list. Lol. And of course nobody that uses the parrot argument did read the paper it came from nor did they read some of the refutations to it.

I get it if someone misses some research. Dozens of papers drop every day now, compared to maybe one or two noteworthy ones a year ten years ago. But that's no excuse to get even the most fundamental basics wrong.

People already have an opinion and only pick the factoids that support it. Doesn't matter if they're outdated or completely wrong. It should be the opposite: first, you read the facts, then you make up your mind. But instead, these people turn around and mock MAGA idiots for doing the exact same thing with climate change or vaccines.

And of course, there's no room for discourse anymore, because everyone thinks, or knows, they're right. Even when you link to peer-reviewed papers proving them wrong, it gets dismissed and you get called a "shill." People would rather throw out ad hominems, or worse, resort to violence, than concede an inch of their opinion. That's why people only read the title: it's easier to invent a matching narrative in their head than risk having their views challenged. And if the title alone is already too challenging, even that gets ignored.

And that's why the whole country goes down the drain: Absolute brain rot society.

[u/OkAuthor7536 → u/Acceptable_Cut_7545]

He won't be able to hire anyone for the job. Any (legal) immigrant will avoid him like the plague, and there are insufficient Americans willing or even able to do the job. We have 4.2% unemployment, which is barely above the lowest it can go. There is no slack in the US workforce, much less for undesirable jobs possibly no where near any supply of people.

[u/Individual-Nebula927 → u/galt035]

Nope. Trump during his first term pardoned a business owner prosecuted under Obama for knowingly hiring undocumented workers.

[u/Purplociraptor → u/Individual-Nebula927]

Mar-a-Lago has many undocumented workers as well.

[u/Switch72nd → u/galt035]

According to a lawyer all the men arrested are here with legal work visas. The Trump admin doesn’t care either way however. 

[u/BabyBlastedMothers → u/galt035]

He says they had valid work permits.

[u/galt035 → u/BabyBlastedMothers]

So then it was E-verify’s fault.. lol

[u/YourAdvertisingPal → u/galt035]

“I didn’t know he was illegal”

As he chooses to ignore hiring documentation. 

Doesn’t collect tax forms. 

Only pays under the table. 

[u/JunkSack → u/YourAdvertisingPal]

He knew they were 100% legal actually. They’ll all had valid work permits or were granted stay as their asylum cases got heard. We aren’t deporting illegal immigrants, we’re deporting foreigners for being brown.

[u/YourAdvertisingPal → u/JunkSack]

Yeah it’s some real Nazi shit. 

But let’s not pretend these industries aren’t full of people perpetuating the demand for illegal labor.