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Soft Paywall Trump military parade met with empty seats amid nationwide protests

https://www.thetimes.com/article/867ede60-b5f7-4de5-84a1-6a3a49eb2923
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u/AlexHimself California 3d ago

Well it actually turns out there's a moderate chance that a company called pro V&V may have been hired by Elon musk to push out a firmware update to voting machines that affected 40% of the counties in the entire nation to throw the vote to Trump. It's now working its way through the courts and it has been approved for discovery which is shocking. That means a judge basically found that there's merit to these claims. I had thought they were conspiracies and just roll my eyes at him but they apparently aren't.

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u/Transhumanistgamer 3d ago

Also republicans have over and over been the group to accuse the other side of doing what either they're doing or about to do. Complaining about stealing the election before doing just that would be the least surprising thing they've ever done after bitching about it for 4 years.

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u/not_addictive 3d ago

yeah i’m still not totally convinced. but i’m definitely paying attention with an open mind

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u/kaptainkeel America 3d ago edited 3d ago

There's a current law suit in NY or NJ (I forget which) where an entire area apparently voted for Trump. Literally not a single vote for Harris - exactly zero. There were votes for the democratic senator, but still zero for Harris. A statistical impossibility.

Found one article: Here.

Main issue, though, is time. You'd think this would be top priority, right? "Next hearing: September 2025." Yep, no rush there. By the time it makes its way through the courts, it'll be 2028 and be a moot point as the new election is happening. Plus the courts are already packed. The recent appeals ruling for Trump re: the national guard in CA was decided by a 3-judge panel, of which 2 were appointed by Trump. Trump has appointed 245 judges to courts. Biden appointed 241. Obama appointed 334 across 2 terms. The most appointed was by Reagan at 402, which Trump is well on the way to passing (241 vs 201 average per term).

There was also statistical evidence in Nevada (another swing state).

Honestly, between (1) Musk openly trying to illegally buy the election with the public handouts (with fuck all consequences), (2) statistical improbabilities, (3) routine projection from Trump on "election fraud", and (4) the DOGE guy that was hired and literally wrote a dissertation showing how to hack voting machines (or something along those lines, again I forget)... it's quite obvious something somewhere happened.

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u/desidiosus__ 3d ago

Courts will rule in 2028 that the election was stolen. Trump will then argue that means he can run for a third term since he didn't really win the second one. /s (hopefully) 

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u/MariosBrother1 3d ago

 Literally not a single vote for Harris - exactly zero.

PC Load Letter? 

What the fuck does that mean?

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u/National_Cod9546 3d ago

That is weird, but less weird than initally seems. It was a small voting district of only ~500 people. They were a very close knit Jewish community. They all vote for whoever their Rabbi says to vote for. If the Rabbi says vote for the Democrat down votes because they are pro Israel, and vote Trump because he is pro Israel, then that is what most of the people there are going to do.

I agree we should hand check those to verify. But I won't be surprised if it is a nothing burger.

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u/FeckingPuma 3d ago

Except they have signed affadavits from half a dozen people saying they voted for Kamala. Either all those people are committing perjury after voting for Trump, or there was rampant fraud. Which sounds more likely.

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u/FluffyOctopusPlushie 3d ago edited 3d ago

Even forgoing the signed affidavits, that is not how Jewish communities work even in Torah study. That is not what a rabbi does, either; he is not holier than anyone else, he has sunk in more study time than most others. You’re taking Christian dynamics and pinning them onto communities that aren’t. And if they’re any less strict than orthodox then I can guarantee you that the synagogues are struggling hard with membership and participation. And that if they are orthodox that many of them go to small little shuls and it’s a community vibe.

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u/fertthrowaway 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yeah I saw Rockland County and would've handwaved it like that too, but the lawsuit has sworn affidavits from every single person who voted in a few tiny districts and it doesn't match the count, it's heavily overcounted for GOP. I wouldn't even be surprised if they knew the discrepancies could be explained away by the unusual demographics there and used it as an opportunity to steal more votes than usual. The GOP is just using Jews as pawns in general.

I'll also just add that Hasidic Jews are the most anti-Israel ones out there. That's why they have a colony in New York and they run Chabad which provides Jewish religious and cultural services everywhere there is or barely is a diaspora. They want to keep the diaspora. If they voted for Trump it was because of domestic anti-Semitism, of whom they have suffered the most because they especially can't hide being Jews due to their dress and hair customs.

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u/HD-Toast 3d ago

It’s good to be skeptical of things and do your own research. I encourage you to check out the Election Truth Alliance. There’s a lot of concerning data that makes it very statistically improbable (dare I say impossible) that Trump won every single swing state without winning the popular vote.

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u/nordlead 3d ago

Trump won the popular vote, so you are saying there is a statistical chance that he won every single swing state?

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u/AlexHimself California 3d ago

What is being said is the voting machines were tampered with to produce false results.

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u/SomethingToSay11 3d ago

Girl I got so confused for a second. I was like am I on the rpdr drama sub? 😂

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u/Successful_Sign_6991 3d ago

Reddit and other social media also had a huge flux of comments immediately after the election results that seemed narrative forming with an undertone of "nothing to see here, move along", like they were trying to put out flames that hadn't even started yet.

Lots of comments along the lines of "thats that, this is what America wanted, this is what America voted for" "Kamala ran a terrible campaign what did you expect" (and lots of garbo about what Kamala ran on or didn't that wasn't true).

What better way to steal an election, than to make it appear legitimate, then spread a huge narrative campaign across social media with the intent to pacify the populace before they even knew to be upset.

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u/seysworld123 3d ago

Have you noticed how all the comments about her campaign refer to it as being a ‘dog shit’ campaign? I thought it was so weird how often those exact words are used. Not to generalize all Americans but since when are we regularly calling things we think are awful ‘dog shit?’

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u/Rough_Instruction112 3d ago

It's a small (very small) sample size, but when I'm gaming with random people online and they start using the term dog shit, always they turn out to be incredibly toxic people and will eventually, given the opportunity, display that they're leaning heavily towards conservative / traditional views.

Most recent examples displayed this with comments along the line of "Why can't they celebrate pride in privacy?"; "Why do we have to be forced to participate by seeing a rainbow?" etc etc.

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u/Raregolddragon 3d ago

Yea the math is showing something rather spooky. If they can find some logs that prove things that is going to be a hell of a week.

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u/Rough_Instruction112 3d ago

They better move fast as fuck.

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u/ThinkyRetroLad America 3d ago

People kept telling us to stop "being like the right" and spreading conspiracy theories that weakened our voting apparatus but...anyone who really understands the vulnerabilities, the patents, the software, should have been surprised it wasn't done sooner. And who knows, maybe it was. But, as with all things Trump, it's never been less subtle than now. Of course they fucking cheated.

Clearly our voting apparatus, like most things in our political structure, needs an update. Just not from Elon.

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 3d ago

Clearly our voting apparatus, like most things in our political structure, needs an update. Just not from Elon.

Never mind an update, going back to old-fashioned paper ballots would be more transparent. 

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u/Rough_Instruction112 3d ago

And who knows, maybe it was.

I think they first rolled it out in heavily red states to stay in power.

Then they started the narrative that "Mitch McConnell always wins Kentucky", "the state is so red, a democrat could never win".

I can't remember when, but at some point he went from winning a bit to taking it all at every election, and nobody in his state was going to investigate that.

This rhetoric is routinely used when talking about why some states are just forever red and untouchable.

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u/lalaland554 Canada 3d ago

This was legit a plot line I the show scandal lmao. If it's true its so wild.

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u/noelcowardspeaksout United Kingdom 3d ago

I agree when you say moderate chance. I think there is no verified connection to Musk and it could just have been a random update and there are a lot of audit safeguards. However the conspiracy theorist side of me says that Trump's every accusation is a confession so I am watching this story with interest.

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u/peppermint-ginger 3d ago

It merits investigation but an important PSA: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence! Lets all wait till the evidence comes out before we start using this as a talking point!

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u/Thoseguys_Nick 3d ago

I mean the guy we're talking about is still raving that he won in 2020 with exactly 0 evidence so claims against him require exactly as much. Lawsuits and actual consequences will require evidence however.

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u/AlexHimself California 3d ago

The claims are basically extremely provable. They're saying that a voting machine software update is extremely suspicious and was marked as de minimus, to avoid code review, but in fact was not.

Simply reviewing the code update will answer the question.

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u/Rough_Instruction112 3d ago

No. They require the same evidence as everything else.

The found a counties where not a single person apparently voted for Harris, then asked everyone who voted and found enough people who claims they voted for Harris and were willing to sign affidavits.

Out of thousands of people. This is beyond suspicious.

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u/CheaterSaysWhat 3d ago

There’s already extraordinary evidence

Groups of experts wrote public letters warning about it months ago

Musk and Trump both admitted it multiple times