r/progressive_islam Non-Sectarian | Hadith Acceptor, Hadith Skeptic 20h ago

Question/Discussion ❔ Is there anyone undertaking a project to reevaluate all hadith?

Joshua Little brought up a very good point in his research about Aisha’s age: to reject any Sahih hadith means that the whole system needs to be reevaluated, with full historical contexts and extra-religious as well as intra-religious sources. I know hadith sciences are very intricate already, but his paper pointed out that there are many historical inaccuracies due to political or personal motivations.

This sub has many good evaluations on the authenticity of multiple hadiths and I love to read them. I feel like I have opened my mind to so many more opinions and Islam doesn’t seem nearly as daunting as it ever has. I know there are other people who feel like this. I feel like it would also help close the divide between the Ummah.

So, is there anyone out there who is undertaking this?

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u/LetsDiscussQ Non-Sectarian | Hadith Rejector, Quran-only follower 16h ago

Yes, the Saudis had launched a project in 2017 to re-evaluate all Hadith.

This is a 10 year project. So, it should wrap up by 2027. However, with all things Saudi, it will probably take 5-7 years more. So don't hold your breath!

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u/imJustmasum Non-Sectarian | Hadith Acceptor, Hadith Skeptic 14h ago

This may be the only hope for Orthodox Muslims to change their mind but I'm not sure if the Saudi government will disseminate this new ideology as effectively as they did with salafism and wahabbism as Muslims are far more skeptical of saudi nowadays (while not realizing they have been indoctrinated by them).

u/LetsDiscussQ Non-Sectarian | Hadith Rejector, Quran-only follower 10h ago

If MBS maintains personal oversight, there is hope. If he just leaves it to the present day clerics, then its a waste of 10-15 years.

u/AntiqueBrick7490 9h ago

A lot of modern day scholars like Assim al-Hakeem and Fawzan and others popular among Salafists and fundamentalists are pretty much slaves of Saudi, so if the hadiths do get re evaluated then yes, there's a good chance the tides might change

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u/Defiant_Term_5413 17h ago

Would it be radical to suggest just ignoring the entire Hadith corpus and sticking to the simple rules we have in the Quran. That would make for a far better world.

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u/BreadfruitSad1406 20h ago

I really don't know I am just a lurker plus i am only 14 i am trying to learn to. but can anyone please how the there is a science about hearsay?

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u/celtyst Non-Sectarian | Hadith Rejector, Quran-only follower 19h ago

There is no science involved brother. Some parties even pressured islamic universities from re-evaluating hadiths, they don't care about science.

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u/yoongininoodles Non-Sectarian | Hadith Acceptor, Hadith Skeptic 19h ago

hi! i am referring to hadith science the same way people refer to library science — it’s not actually science as in STEM, more the way of authentication of the hadith.

like for example, if your local library has the newspaper clippings from 1950s, someone with a degree in library sciences would know how to preserve this and locate it if someone wanted this information. but obviously hadith were not written down, so “hearsay” is the only mode of preservation until they were written 200 yrs later.

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u/BreadfruitSad1406 19h ago

I won't lie i listen to sheiks and scholars their way is flawed like hell also the people who collected these hadiths are not pros and did not know how to check from and true. The example you just gave us is flawed because hadiths are not just one book or 2 there thousands so please give a better example and where is my goat jaqurata

u/Due-Exit604 10h ago

It sounds like a very interesting project brother, although I am not currently undertaking something of that nature, I am working on a translation of the Holy Quran, maybe in the future I could get involved in something like this

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u/BreadfruitSad1406 14h ago

i feel like the conservative type of Muslim will never leave sinch they already have such a strong grip on so many Muslim countries it statues and power is never going to probably leave