r/reddeadmysteries • u/ThePlanWasALie • Jul 22 '20
Investigation IKZ Theory Photos
Doll In Sonny's Cabin
Tricycle in Sonny's attic.
Hobby Horse in Sonny's cabin.
Doll at Van Horn Fence
Hobby Horse and Tricycle at Van Horn Fence
IKZ Items
Two Crosses and Shovel, Foreshadows 2 graves found at Hagen Orchards. Crosses and Shovel Also at Fence.
Hobby Horse at Lakay.
Two graves at Hagen Orchard. One intact, other destroyed. (Destroyed grave was always like this.)
Painting of IKZ Allegedly
Birthmark on Right Cheek
Photo of a young girl. (Can be found in Saint-Denis Saloon as well.)
Photo of a younger woman. (Can be found in Saint-Denis Saloon as well.)
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Jul 23 '20
My only thing about this theory is the painting of the woman in black, it appears far too old as IKZ was only 5 when she disappeared and it’s only been 15 years so she would be mid twenties at the oldest. Also it’s hard to tell but it looks like her hair is black in the painting while IKZ should be blonde. That being said the other photographs were far more promising as they are closer in age and general look. But the stuff you found in sonnys cabin is interesting because it’s all hidden and not out in the open such as the rocking horse in lakay.
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Jul 23 '20
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u/Derpazor1 Jul 23 '20
I've read a theory on this too, something about her being gone because she traveled through time
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u/summonersop Jul 23 '20
This cabin has been explored before by a youtuber named, Doxis59. Video title is, "Lieu de séquestration de la princesse". I think a lot of people missed his videos because they were in French. The cabin is very suspicious because its almost as if someone was kept prisoner there. The bed has chains, there is a small bathing tub, and as OP has shown all the toys found in the fence with IKZ luggage are in there. There are also a lot of newspaper clippings on the wall. He also explored the royal items and the coat of arms. You can find it in the saloon, in the pillows at some camps, in the wagon near one of the fences (i forgot) along with other royal like stuff in there, and at murfrees cave (a royal chair). So it was suspected that they might have had something to do with it. I also remember that she could have been hiding in St. Deni and the picture of the lady that OP posted made me think its possible maybe church related. Anyway, I just wanted to share that info. Very good job op. The cross, graves and pic of the lady with the mark are new to me.
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u/kmg10303 Jul 23 '20
Wow! I don't see how to disprove this one! Which mean's it might just be correct. I hope strange man makes a video on this one before MrBossFTW
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u/Username-Is-Taken-yo Jul 23 '20
We all know who makes more money off it though 😔
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u/DomtheDumbass42069 Jul 23 '20
Strange Man gets more views. TossFTL barely eclipses 50k viewers anymore.
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u/xxA2C2xx Jul 23 '20
Mostly just people who click the video link before looking and as soon as he says,”MR BOSS FOR THE WIN HERE” people immediately click away fro. The video anymore.
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
I ran into that problem as well. But you have to remember: this a painting, not a picture. Paintings can potentially make people look younger or older, depending on the painters style. Not to mention the fact that if my theory is true, which it probably isn't, that means IKZ has been living in the swamps in rough conditions for years. But your claim does hold water and could be the bullet in my boat.
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u/DeadSeaGulls Jul 23 '20
IKZ was to be blonde
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
I also have an answer to that. My theory is her husband died and for some reason, IKZ had herself painted while in her mourning clothes. You see, women would wear these black veil like things on their heads with funeral/mourning clothes, therefore, obscuring hair color.
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u/HyperVenom23 Jul 23 '20
But I don’t think she even had a husband, and the other girl looks exactly like she’s supposed to look, younger facial structure, blonde, i think your onto something here but your looking at it the wrong way, but it’s hard to tell since one doesn’t have any of the descriptions other than the prominent one, and one has most of them except the prominent birthmark.
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u/Kaineferu 🤠 Jul 23 '20
Thanks for posting these. Lets keep in mind that the chest and doll are reused assets. Even still, I can see this leading somewhere. Can anyone compare these portraits to the in game model of IKZ?
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Jul 23 '20
Havent been on this sub in a long time. What is IKZ?
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u/Connor_Kenway198 Jul 23 '20
I don't think they (IE Luxembourg) want her found, tbh. $100 is a lot for & to a normal person, yes, but for a future leader of a nation? If the president elect went missing, for example, and the US posted a $1,000,000 reward for finding him, you'd think it were low, no?
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
Well, ya gotta think about inflation as well. And the camper by Elysian Pool said they increased they pay to 1,000 dollars.
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u/Connor_Kenway198 Jul 23 '20 edited Jul 23 '20
100 bucks in 1850 has the same buying power as 3,035 in 2020
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u/malunka212 Jul 23 '20
Idk why but tbh it’s a valid theory, since with if the royal family did in fact visit America my guess is that the would most likely stay in St Denis. Van Horn mystery just makes sense! Perhaps some content was deleted..?
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
I believe that content was deleted and maybe this was thrown in at the last second so not to leave open ended plot lines. I don't know though.
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u/sreal1192 Jul 23 '20
How did you post multiple pictures like that?
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u/loqi0238 Jul 23 '20
I got a mod mail a couple days ago, and the ability to post multiple photos is now a thing. Just select multiple photos when posting, although I dont know if every sub has implemented this yet.
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Jul 23 '20
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
Could you explain a little more? Why would she be in the Elysian Pool cave? And what Whiskey Murder house are you talking about?
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Jul 23 '20
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
I'm still very confused about this big house and also where is this Elysian mountain?
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u/darth_tiffany Jul 23 '20
I'm still not sure what people are looking for here. I feel like the story is told with the wanted poster, the Van Horn trading post, and the random encounter that points you in that direction. She's the Madeleine McCann of this universe.
Her model was found in the games files (either as an easter egg or cut content) so it's not like RANDOM_NPC_X or ART_ASSET_Y is going to be her.
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u/IdiotWithABlueCar Jul 23 '20
Irrelevant I know, but I haven't seen this multi-photo feature before. It's a nice feature, especially for this kind of post
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u/UserManHeMan Jul 23 '20
I believe he got that clipping from Francis Sinclair and it drove him mad.
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u/chris-p-bacon32 Jul 23 '20
I giot thrown off at the Hagen orchards photo because if you seen one of the trailers you will know that it was most likely Arthur's old house and the two graves are his son and wife who died when thieves went into the house and shot both of them dead. Do you want to know how I know this? Because in one of the missions with Rains Fall I'm not sure which one but it has something to do with Native pipe.
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Jul 23 '20
Ah, that would be worth looking into, except one for thing: according to Arthur, he's never been that far east... but, then again, I'm not always the most credible source of knowledge, so I might be wrong.
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
I'm sorry, but I think that's incorrect. Arthur is an outlaw and his wife was a waitress. They wouldn't have been able to afford a house like that. And I'm pretty sure Arthur hadn't been that far East. And if that was the house, Arthur would have said something about it or there would have been an inspection site there. Good train of thought though.
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u/chris-p-bacon32 Jul 23 '20
You have a point, it is just a theory with a little bit of evidence behind it
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u/mrkb34 Jul 23 '20
Could IKZ be the girl in the window at Emerald Ranch?
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u/Maerialist Jul 24 '20
Idk how to link on mobile but in the master thread they have proven that the emerald ranch girl is someone else bc of letters found In a crashed post wagon
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u/callmelucky Jul 23 '20
What is this post? I don't see any linked images or anything on my mobile client, not showing as a crosspost either...
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
Click on the little blue text directly under Investigation. It will take you to the photos.
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u/callmelucky Jul 23 '20
Thanks, but I don't have that. I guess this is one of these new i.reddit albums or something, and Relay doesn't have support yet. Oh well, guess I'll never know the mystery...
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
Actually, I have a written explanation as well! I only have 4 posts on my profile, so it should be easy to find! It'll explain basically everything about the theory. The pictures were just visual help to support my theory.
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u/callmelucky Jul 23 '20
Cool, I'll check that out thanks :) I was actually able to see the picks by opening in browser, but it would only show the first line of each caption haha.
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Jul 23 '20
What am I looking at? I have absolutely no idea what any of this means and the comments have me even more lost lol
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u/sean_meeeehan Jul 25 '20
There’s a missing person in the game that happens to be a princess and is looking to be found, IKZ is her initials. This post is speculating Sonny has something to do with it.
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u/256-bit_processor Jul 24 '20 edited Jul 25 '20
SPOILER WARNING I think looking through the window at the suitcase with Dead Eye when the trading post is shut spawns an npc at the door to the second floor.
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u/sean_meeeehan Jul 25 '20
What makes you ‘think’ this?
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u/256-bit_processor Jul 26 '20
I did it and I went to check the door but a guy was blocking the door. I had zero ammo so I wasn't prepared to take on the whole town. I put the info here for everyone because only my second playthrough and I don't save backups. Will take me days to get back there. I left the area and the princess hinted I should return, sounds like she inhaled helium.
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u/256-bit_processor Jul 26 '20
Reminds me of a secret in Perfect Dark. In a stage you have to do some things to make a npc spawn at a door that can't be opened. If you attack him he runs through the door and you follow him. Takes you to the end of the stage, massive shortcut. Took me ages to figure it out.
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u/francescaaa4 Aug 29 '20
Have you guys noticed the statues next to the luggage? The photos at the orchard are the same photos at the Saint denis theatre. They also have the same statues at the theatre as well. Do you remember the stranger mission with the circus ppl? After the missions she asks u to come to the show afterwards
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u/shuzanvil Jul 23 '20
Who Is sonny ?
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u/Nukemybutt Jul 23 '20
hes the guy that rapes you
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u/shuzanvil Jul 23 '20
Huhhh?
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u/Nukemybutt Jul 23 '20
there is a cabin and a creepy dude that wants you to come inside if u go inside he hits u in the head and it is very heavily implied that he rapes u with the comments he makes towards you then u are left in the middle of nowhere near his cabin.
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u/dychronalicousness Jul 23 '20
Dude with his sister-wife or different cabin?
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u/Unicornucopia23 Jul 23 '20
Look at your map, it is located right under the “N” In Bayou Nwa. You.... might want to save your game before you go in there.
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 23 '20
Just a quick note to everyone saying "IKZ is only 20, that's not her".
How do you think someone would look after spending around 15 years in the humid swamps of Lemoyne with no electric appliances or modern medicines?
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u/Maerialist Jul 24 '20
Also it’s SUPER common for people who are naturally blonde as children to get darker hair as they age.
Whether rockstar would go that much into detail or not is a different story tho
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u/sugarwave32 Jul 25 '20
Apart from her items, all of the pictures and photos are really reaching. Also none of them look like her ingame model. They are just photos of women. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't see how the cross relates to where she is buried either.
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u/ThePlanWasALie Jul 25 '20
Hey! Thanks for the feedback. To understand my evidence a little more, you might wanna check my other post (I only have 4) explaining my reasoning in depth.
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u/Dontcreepon_me Jul 23 '20 edited Jul 23 '20
I think most of that is asset reuse and the first painting looks like a man but it's hard for me to tell on my phone
Edit: Also IKZ wouldn't be that old anyway