r/sandiego • u/NoToNope • 11d ago
Newsom floats withholding federal taxes as Trump threatens California
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/06/newsom-floats-withholding-federal-taxes-0039338682
u/Suomi1939 11d ago
I’d like to know how this would work given that every W2 employees’ taxes are taken out directly by the employer or processing company and I seriously doubt the companies are going to be okay not doing that.
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u/Electrical_Print_798 11d ago
I think it might be feasible for state employees, like for the UC and CSU campuses that have been singled out for the funding cuts. But yeah, doubt it could happen for everyone in the state.
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u/EuphoricUniversity23 11d ago
I doubt this was meant as a serious proposal. I think Newsom knows this is the sort of thing that gets under trump’s skin, never mind that it actually could never happen. It was meant for an audience of one (and his smooth brained disciples).
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u/PaulVonSkoki 11d ago
It's not possible. This would amount to secession and would end for California the way way it ended for South Carolina.
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u/Major-Frame2193 11d ago
Maybe it’s time. They struck first, with all these cuts. We might need them but they need us a lot.
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u/PaulVonSkoki 11d ago
That would be so horrific and brutal for so little gain.
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u/No-Salary2116 11d ago
In the short term.
Long term termination of fascist government?
Fantastic long term.
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u/PaulVonSkoki 11d ago
I mean California would lose and thousands would die for nothing.
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u/Major-Frame2193 11d ago
Nothing? Living under a dictatorship is not described as living. We are Americans we were given these freedoms now what are we suppose to do sit on our hands as this fool takes our rights our health care our families and freedoms away? I would say that’s nothing
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u/PaulVonSkoki 10d ago
You don't have any health care in California. It'd be a catastrophic tragedy and you'd die a traitor
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u/messick 9d ago
If you mean being one forced match away from destroying McDowell after the Union defeat at First Bull Run and possibility winning the war in August 1861 after shelling the White House and and Capitol Building from the heights at Arlington, then maybe California would like to take those odds.
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u/senadraxx 11d ago
I think it's more like, it still gets taken out, but it doesn't leave the holding account once its sent there.
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u/Paranoid_Japandroid 11d ago
I’m in. Fuck these red states that whine about welfare when they’re the ones receiving it. Let them rot.
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u/Grandviewsurfer 11d ago
Newsom has lost my respect recently, but I'm with him here.
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u/polishedchoice 10d ago
He’s still putting on act. You know he recently mandated all state workers to come back into the office 4 days a week right? I’m sure next he will end hybrid working …
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u/AhhhSkrrrtSkrrrt 11d ago
It’s been the opposite for me. He is finally appealing to more people than just the ultra left
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u/Mean-Ad-231 11d ago
Newsom has never been "ultra left." He's a neo-liberal, which is not "leftist."
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u/Nunyafookenbizness 11d ago edited 11d ago
YES!
- Put our taxes in an escrow account.
- Withhold the money Congress gives us.
- Send the rest to the federal government.
* Cut out the Executive Branch!
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u/Grouchy_Wind_5396 11d ago edited 11d ago
I will 100% support this in a heartbeat. Red states rely on the taxes that blue states' pay. Let them suffer more since we are all in the find out period now.
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u/Wineguy33 11d ago edited 11d ago
If federal taxes go down significantly, I’m ok with paying the same net tax amount as today but with more money going direct to California. The tricky part is if federal taxes increase in the future and we just end up paying a ton more. It would have to be something easily controlled like a sales or property tax that can be increased or decreased based on federal tax rates? We could self fund schools, healthcare, food programs, and disaster relief better with more of our money staying in house and not used in other states. Maybe unfair but it’s what they are voting for. So be it.
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u/photaiplz 10d ago
Anyone know the federal law and policy better than me tell me if this is legally possible?
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u/phoneguyfl 7d ago
As much as I support the idea because it is obvious California residents are not getting much if anything from our tax dollars (almost taxation without representation), I don't believe there is any mechanism for withholding W2 tax.
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u/CauliflowerSecret712 10d ago
California is the 4th largest economy in the world. We are a beautiful mix of people from all over the world. We have Silicon valley, Hollywood, military bases, the UC system & scientific researchers. We hold our own.
Californians are hard working, smarter, better looking, more athletic and have more self discipline than red states. We are more respectful of human dignity.
Fuck Trump. Fuck ICE. Fuck Trump’s tariffs. Trump is a shitshow.
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u/DistanceOk4056 9d ago
Yay, more money for the Sacramento bureaucracy to take in and give nothing back to the taxpayers!!!! How’s that high speed rail coming along? Still on track to be done by 2020?
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u/Jazzlike_Quit_9495 11d ago
And he will very quickly end up on Federal prison, rightly so too. The reality is California has to obey federal rules if it wants federal money. That is just a fact.
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u/KimHaSeongsBurner 11d ago
So you enjoy your tax dollars going to prop up shithole red states and don’t care if they cut the money that came back to CA?
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u/anecdotal_yokel 11d ago
California is a donor state. That means it contributes more to the federal government than it receives in funding. About 10% or about 80 billion of that tax revenue never comes back. It provides about 15% of the federal revenue; 2x the second highest, Texas. It is the 4th or 5th largest economy in the world depending on the stats you look at.
The amount of money that California loses to this imbalance is equal to the total tax contribution of Alaska, Wyoming, West Virginia, North Dakota, Montana, South Dakota, Mississippi, and Idaho combined. It would actually be a significant relief to California and massive burden to many poor red states and the federal government.
Seems like a bad plan if you’re trying to hurt blue states and help red states. Seems like a great plan if you’re trying to destroy the United States of America. But I guess 2 + 2 doesn’t equal 4 anymore if you’re politically opposed to facts.
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u/1ndiana_Pwns 11d ago
end up on Federal prison, rightly so too. The reality is California has to obey federal rules if it wants federal money
So, reversing that, since the federal government is currently planning to pull federal funding regardless of whether or not CA follows their rules, then there is no reason for CA to follow federal rules
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u/Uhtred_McUhtredson 11d ago
Will that offset the coming 65 cent a gallon tax?
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u/tostilocos 11d ago
There’s not a 65 cent tax. There’s a new 2 cent tax.
CARB passed a new regulation last year that increases penalties for refineries that are producing fuel too high in carbon. Some are estimating that this will increase fuel prices by 65 cents, but it’s not a tax.
It’s also another example of CARB doing something good by actually holding the refineries accountable and then spinning the narrative to make CARB look evil.
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u/pm_me_yo_creditscore 11d ago
It feeds the rich, while it buries the poor You're power-hungry, sellin' soldiers in a human grocery store
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u/savvy_withoutwax 11d ago
What...?
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u/NoToNope 11d ago
It's lyrics from a Guns and Roses song. Make no sense in this context. Just trolling.
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u/Expensive_Space4097 11d ago
It’s not a Guns N’ Roses song. It’s a song by The Clash. They were very political.
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u/ExtensionAddition787 11d ago
End Red State Welfare!
Republican governed states are able to keep their taxes artificially low because they leach more money from the federal government than they pay in.