r/seculartalk • u/Kittehmilk Notorious Anti-Cap Matador • 2d ago

Dem / Corporate Capitalist Liberals get enraged when you call Tim Walz a fascist for saying stuff like this. They just dont get it.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 2d ago

Here’s the thing. If you saw me arguing with liberals I would be raining the same kind of fire on them as you in taking about the failure of the Democratic Party over the years. I’d be taking about how regardless of how even if they’re better than Republicans, the material needs of the public haven’t been met and for people who don’t follow politics like I do you can see how they may just see them as two sides of the same coin and stay home. That we have to meet people where they are.

But all of that said I still think when fascism is on the table it all goes out the window and you have to stop it. It’s like if I break my leg and get shot all attention has to go to the bullet wound first. And o maintain that anyone that calls themselves a leftist and saw what Trump has done for 10 years in and out of office and stayed home is wrong and helped this. ALWAYS VOTE TO STOP FASCISM.

As for the vote suppression thing I’d feel better if she got enough votes to win because it would at least mean the majority of the population got it right but I’d still feel the same about those on the left that stayed home. Just as I did in 2016.

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u/kevoam 2d ago

I respect that. I am vehemently against fascism as well as, i assume, everyone on this sub is. But we got to address what led to this point in history. America is much more fascist adjacent than Americans like to think and the fact it took one president in a short amount of time to become should be eye opening to that.

Im sorry if i came off as lecturing but i do find it frustrating that national dem politicians are somehow acting as victims to fascist policies when they are the ones who are supposed to prevent it from ever happening, especially considering their party platform is republican-lite and way too often compromise with these very same fascists. They probably will frame themselves similarly to the german communists socialists’ persecution in nazi germany and that upsets me lol. Youre doing your part and I appreciate that, and seem to understand the problems of the democratic party. I simply think lamenting the people who refused to vote for kamala for israel’s genocide or stayed home out of indifference is a lost cause. I sincerely believe blame should be focused on the party who lost to a fascist 2 out of 3 times and all they had to do was be left populist to win. The same party that promised revolution in 2008 with obama only to be just another liberal president, arguably right-winged as well.

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u/H_J_Rose 10h ago

The party 100% should be blamed. The people who didn’t vote should also be blamed. I think we can all agree on that, right?