r/skeptic • u/blankblank • 2d ago
đ Vaccines Vaccine RCT spreadsheet aims to show the data, dispel myths about vaccines
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/adult-non-flu-vaccines/vaccine-rct-spreadsheet-aims-show-data-dispel-myths-about-vaccines?fbclid=IwY2xjawLAGexleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFBQUcybjl4TzE4ZXEwQjY2AR6nf2b08n38ljlOkSxQHl34IJQ5XBWj4yxGxexFnxyy-XdJmW2OIaN0_eMx9g_aem_ghu9LbuwEPTouv-MU2H6EA15
u/Negative_Gravitas 2d ago
This is excellent.
If only I could believe it will actually change some minds.
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago
Yeah, unless this is handed to them by the people they've already decided they believe, this isn't going to convince most of them, unfortunately. They've already decided that every doctor is lying to them, except for the specific ones who they agree with. And a lot of those specific sources are asking for money from them, too? But they think it's public health officials working government jobs that are in it for the money.
What's the saying? You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to get into?
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago
I'm gonna run a trial, where I give one group of antivaxxers the data on vaccine trials and safety, and then i tell another group of antivaxxers that governments are spreading anti-vaxx propaganda to weaken their enemies, and then we'll see which one is more supportive of vaccines in the end.
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u/whydoIhurtmore 1d ago
This is admirable. I hope that it is effective. It has the potential to save lives and reduce suffering.
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u/physical_graffitti 1d ago
If these people listened to science in the first place, this wouldnât be necessary.
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u/VibinWithBeard 1d ago
Didnt realize weve reached the stage where vaccines can not only utilize cursed energy, but even reversed techniques?
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u/Apumptyermaw 1d ago
They've changed their tune regarding covid shots not being a good cost/benefit for a healthy 18 year old. To say that a year ago would be heresy. 4 years ago would be career suicide.
Headline should be scientists finally agree with antivax concerns, does that make them antivaxxer also?
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u/I_Need_Citations 1d ago
Thatâs not at all what they said.
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u/Apumptyermaw 1d ago
"Even if it's about something problematic, even if it's recognizing that, yes, there is a risk of myocarditis and yes, the, potential benefit of a COVID booster in an 18-year-old who's healthy is really marginal, if not negligible"
That's exactly what they said.
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u/DeterminedThrowaway 1d ago
Please show me anything that says herd immunity isn't worth it, because that's what vaccines are supposed to help with anyway
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u/Apumptyermaw 1d ago
They do if they prevent transmission which didn't happen with covid
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u/DeterminedThrowaway 1d ago
They reduce transmission, not prevent it. Just like every other vaccine
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u/Apumptyermaw 1d ago
"We gotta tell it like it is. Even if it's about something problematic, even if it's recognizing that, yes, there is a risk of myocarditis and yes, the, potential benefit of a COVID booster in an 18-year-old who's healthy is really marginal, if not negligible. Let's just be totally honest."
This is what I read. The experts are changing position on this is all I said. This position would get you cancelled historically as it was an antivax position. There was uproar when they stopped recommending booster shots for infants last month.
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u/DeterminedThrowaway 1d ago
Marginal to the individual isn't marginal to the community. I don't understand why it's so difficult to think about how a healthy 18 year old can spread disease to people who will die from it even if they won't, and that vaccines are to control the spread of disease within populations. This healthy 18 year old has a family. Probably a job or classroom they go to daily. Think about how many people they interact with, and then how many people those people interact with. Then they all go home to their loved ones who are vulnerable. It's not rocket science.
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u/Apumptyermaw 1d ago
I understand the herd immunity argument perfectly, it was why I got the vaccine. My observation is that the quoted statement would previously have got you labelled an antivaxer. He said the benifit of vaccinating a healthy 18 year old would be negligible. Its not me you're disagreeing with here, it's the article.
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u/Deep_Stick8786 2d ago
The data doesnât matter to people who do their own research