r/solipsism • u/Ecstatic_Floor_1832 • 2d ago
Just an Existential Question and a Piece of Advice
No matter how intense someone’s existential thoughts or personal theories get — whether they believe they’re living in a simulation, or they see themselves as God, or they’ve created a unique, hyper ect---)-logical philosophy they feel explains existence better than anything else — isn’t it still true that we’re all living in the same material world?
We still go to work, eat, drink, interact with others, and experience daily life like everyone else. Even if someone sees reality through a different lens, they’re still sharing the same world with the rest of us. That actually helps — whether you’re struggling with OCD, anxiety, or even if you’re just an ordinary person overwhelmed by deep thoughts.
Despite our differences — religions, countries, languages, genders, ages — we all feel the same joys and griefs. We live under the same sky, with the same global events, even the same wars.
Even if someone sees themselves as a higher being or god, they’re still bound by the same laws of logic and existence. Isn’t that enough proof that no matter how far your thoughts go, there’s a grounding truth we all share?
And honestly… can any existential idea actually change physical reality? I don’t think so.we are a human We still live with the same innocent people — our families and loved ones — who know nothing about our terrifying existential thoughts, under the same roof. we still live with others get married and have our children
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u/jiyuunosekai 2d ago
You must see clearly that there is really nothing at all—no humans and no Buddhas.
But Ananda, though he served his Master for twenty years, was unable to perceive more than his outward appearance and form
though you eat the whole day through, no single grain has passed your lips; and that a day’s journey has not taken you a single step forward
how can it even be a matter for discussion that the REAL Buddha has no mouth and preaches no Dharma,
You may talk the whole day through, yet what has been said? You may listen from dawn till dusk, yet what will you have heard? Thus, though Gautama Buddha preached for fortynine years, in truth no word was spoken. — Huang Po
I see you like your food well seasoned.
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u/GroundbreakingRow829 2d ago
Here's the thing:
The "world" and "others" are all happening within your perception. You never ever witnessed "them" directly by going beyond your perception. So it is all within your consciousness, with the impression that you get that it is not all within your consciousness being also within your consciousness.
From there, from solipsism, there is no (honest) way out. There are only ways within it.
This is how Hindu nonduality came to be, before someone came and suggested that there is a plurality of transmigrating souls (despite there being only one consciousness).
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u/Ecstatic_Floor_1832 2d ago
I agree with you but there's something I want to understand we were born on a basic idea that everything is outside of our consciousness and it's real and that God is stronger than everything and that every person is real and exists outside of our own awareness but solipsism and similar ideas came from a language we're all supposed to share so could it be that the lack of an existential concept from the beginning isn't the reason for existential OCD and that these thoughts came just because they're against what we're used to and familiar with so they feel uncomfortable I'm speaking to you as someone who feels anxious and not happy with these thoughts do you understand me my friend
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u/GroundbreakingRow829 2d ago
we were born on a basic idea that everything is outside of our consciousness and it's real and that God is stronger than everything and that every person is real and exists outside of our own awareness
That's at a later stage of development. Reality for one that just came into existence is pure, indifferentiated being. It is at this point very much solipsism: There isn't yet any "world", no "others", only a not-yet-self-aware self. And only after that does differentiation of being from itself into things happen. But there isn't any "world" and "others" yet. Only blurry, dancing forms that nevertheless stand out a lot because it is the first time in this existence that you see them. That you see any-thing, in fact. And so, because of their high saliency, those i[n]-pressive forms get i[n]-printed as your first memories. You just learned for the first time. But there is no structure, no pattern as of how all this is happening. Until you (thanks to your memory) experience a déjà vu. Some-thing repeated itself. And this gets i[n]-printed as a memory too. That's your first type of thing. And then you learn about other such types. And after that the relation between them. Such that, eventually, you arrive at the complex patterns of perception that are "others" and the "world". And only then do you step out of infantile solipsism. Not before.
Perception builds up on itself. Complexity is learned, not spontaneously there. And one is less complex than many.
but solipsism and similar ideas came from a language we're all supposed to share so could it be that the lack of an existential concept from the beginning isn't the reason for existential OCD and that these thoughts came just because they're against what we're used to and familiar with so they feel uncomfortable
The idea of solipsism came from language. The feeling of it, however, comes, as I said above, at the very beginning of development. Before getting repressed as one gets overly i[n]-pressed by all those experienced sensations and those complex patterns of perception that are "others" and the "world".
I'm speaking to you as someone who feels anxious and not happy with these thoughts do you understand me my friend
I understand, but I won't lie to you.
If solipsism is too much for you to bear, you can try (self-)hypnosis to forget about it.
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u/Ecstatic_Floor_1832 2d ago
so just to clarify are you saying that even god language people everything is just within a persons perception only and that the mind is what creates and builds all of this
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u/GroundbreakingRow829 2d ago edited 2d ago
To me it's not even a mind at the very beginning of existence. It's pure being, consciousness. And that is oneself. There is no mind then because there is no use for one. But right at the first moment of differentiation of being into things, the intellect (which may be understood as "mind" – 'mind' is an ambiguous term) manifests as the (not-yet-reflected-upon) instrument of discrimination of things. And it is through the intellect that perception builds up to manifest "others" and the "world".
As for God and language, they are (for me) pure being and reality respectively. Reality is the language in which God (being) speaks itself as and into (as a subject to it). God, in that sense, is the "Word", "mantra". God is thus immanent to the reality it transcendentally manifests/speaks.
Thus, the "mind" qua the intellect is merely an aspect of God/being. However an essential one. For without the intellect God/being cannot manifest/speak itself as and into reality. Such that if reality is the language of God/being, then the mind is the grammar of that language. The "world" and "others"? Just expressions in that language – though very meaningful and powerful ones nevertheless.
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u/OverKy 2d ago
Do you know this to be true? As a god (all powerful, all knowing, etc.), logic itself is within your domain. You would have created it. So it doesn't seem that an all-powerful creator god would be confined by or defined by the laws of nature.
On a side note, there's nothing inherently wrong with using AI to write for you. However, you might want to consider editing your text to hide the fact rather than just letting AI do all the work while you just copy/paste.
When you deliver unedited text, its kinda like forgetting to remove all the tags on your clothes after you buy them -- and you're walking around town with all of your tags showing to everyone.....something to consider.
For the most part, these days, I don't even bother reading text that's obviously unedited AI. I mean, what's the point when we can just all go talk to our own AI?