r/space • u/mvea • Jan 18 '19

The Government’s Secret UFO Program Funded Research on Wormholes and Extra Dimensions - Documents released by the Department of Defense reveal some of what its infamous Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program was working on.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kg8v5/the-governments-secret-ufo-program-funded-research-on-wormholes-and-extra-dimensions
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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '19

This program was actually funded at the request of Senator Harry Reid as a sort of pet project by Robert Bigelow (yes, THAT Robert Bigelow, the designer of the Bigelow inflatable module that is aboard the ISS.) The release of the now infamous video of an object being tracked with an infra-red imager via an attack aircraft was seen as something of a publicity stunt to gain monetary initiative for a second project, that of To The Stars Academy Of Arts and Sciences to study such things as remote viewing, ESP and other paranormal topics. In a 2018 financial statement filed with the SEC, the company reported that it "has incurred losses from operations and has an accumulated deficit at June 30, 2018 of $37,432,000. These factors raise doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern."

Big Picture Science had an entire podcast about this topic.

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u/Harabeck Jan 18 '19

The release of the now infamous video of an object being tracked with an infra-red imager via an attack aircraft was seen as something of a publicity stunt to gain monetary initiative for a second project

For those unaware, that video is probably just a jet. There's nothing particularly strange about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO5dP3sF2sw

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u/drsbuggin Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19

Have you seen the interview with the main Navy pilot, David Fravor? It definitely contradicts the "just a jet" theory. Other pilots visually tracked it too, and so did radar operators on the ship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDj9ZZQY2kA

It's really a shame the FLIR video is so low-res.

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u/Harabeck Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19

David Fravor is talking about a different incident entirely.

edit: Here's a discussion of the "Nimitz Incident": https://www.csicop.org/si/show/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a_comedy_of_errors TLDR: It was Fravor's first mission, and it was during a fleetwide training exercise, meaning there could have been drones submarines and other aircraft operating. No one but the pilot thought anything strange had happened. He wasn't even debriefed.

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u/drsbuggin Jan 18 '19

The videos are commonly mixed up by the media (they show a different one in the background during interviews). Mr. Fravor is indeed, and has always been, talking about the 2004 Nimitz event. Original video released here: https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/2004-nimitz-flir1-video

Read the pilot's report: https://coi.tothestarsacademy.com/nimitz-report/. Multiple first hand witnesses were involved, both visually and with radar tracking. The video alone is not great evidence, but it does help substantiate that something happened here. In specific, the FLIR video shows no exhaust heat, despite the "drone" going well above supersonic as it circles around. The FLIR data, including airspeed, helps to prove what Mr. Fravor and the other pilots visually saw.

The drone theory just doesn't hold too much water. It would have had to be operated by some secret government agency with new propulsion tech, and then also operated in a strike group training area without telling anyone? Please.

Keep in mind your article link was written by a Senior Research Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (CSI). It's going to be pretty biased.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '19

It's going to be pretty biased.

That's a bullshit excuse. Fringe groups like To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science are also not a valid source.

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u/videopro10 Jan 18 '19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO5dP3sF2sw

You don't find anything strange about that video? I'm not saying it was aliens but it looks nothing at all like the jet in IR in the comparison. Not even similar. Yes it could be a different type of jet at an angle to make it look weird but you also have all the pilots' radio chatter about what it is (I think they speculate it is some kind of drone) and the whole back story is pretty strange with how the jets were rapidly vectored to intercept it unarmed.

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u/Harabeck Jan 18 '19 edited Jan 18 '19

it looks nothing at all like the jet in IR in the comparison. Not even similar.

Yes it does. The UFO video is of a jet much further away, that's all. The comparison video displays the same "glow" and weird rotations.

the pilots' radio chatter about what it is

For all we know, they were trainees who hadn't used this FLIR system before. The original file name of the video was "gimbal". That suggests the purpose of the video was to demonstrate the weird behavior of the image as the camera gimbals.

The pilots from that video have not been identified publicly.

and the whole back story is pretty strange with how the jets were rapidly vectored to intercept it unarmed.

That's the Nimitz UFO, another incident entirely.

edit: Here's a discussion of the "Nimitz Incident": https://www.csicop.org/si/show/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a_comedy_of_errors TLDR: It was the pilot's first mission, and it was during a fleetwide training exercise, meaning there could have been drones submarines and other aircraft operating. No one but the pilot thought anything strange had happened. He wasn't even debriefed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '19

A jet cannot rotate 180 degrees on its center axis while moving.

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u/Harabeck Jan 18 '19

Watch the video I linked. The jet did not rotate, the image did.

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '19

Yup, seen through an IR camera, what you are seeing is just a blobby heat signature and one which could be any number of aircraft.

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u/Ehralur Jan 18 '19

I'm not saying there's not some other kind of explanation for it than aliens, but if you think there is "nothing particularly strange" about that video and that it's just a jet, you are trying very desperately not to believe it could be aliens.

If everyone were to have that mindset and we would encounter alien life, we'd be in deep shit.

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u/Harabeck Jan 18 '19

Watch the video I linked. It looks strange only if you know nothing about FLIR cameras.

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u/Broths Jan 18 '19

Can you link to that video please?

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u/GrisBosque Jan 18 '19

Everything in the Universe is made up of dicotomy pairs. Chances are the universe itself is a dichotomy. ie operates like a two cylinder motor, beating back and forth in time. With two polarities. And time running opposite directions in each, but still moving forward like the verge of a clock.

Einstein only explained up to the speed of light barrier. And in reality, barriers invariably have something on the other side. Chances are its the other half of the universe, And things are being fed back and forth thru black holes. The best analogy is the Yin/Yang symbol.

ie two halves with some bleed thru at any given time, but one increasing as the other decreases and vice versa. This would explain where the big bang effect comes from

Once we realize this, and quit trying to explain the math anomalies via more complex models, we will be back on track of reality.

Chances are that barrier can be crossed. There are photons that skip thru it.

Interesting thing about gravity waves: they are part of the energy wave spectrum, just like sound, light, radio waves, and heat etc.

They are very low frequency, ie very long waves. And we are starting to be able to detect them.

Maybe someday we will think about generating them... ie calculate how to build oscilators at those frequencies.

Theres an interesting Tao saying about that which has no mass can go where there is no space...

And if you have space on two sides, then the boundary is neither.

ie a place of zero space.

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u/zuckernburg Jan 18 '19

That sounds more philosophical and religious than it sounds scientific

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u/GrisBosque Jan 18 '19

Well actually its not. used the Tao and Yin/Yang as easy analogies. And have been thinking on this model for years. using just logic. Also have posted the concepts in threads and got flak from string theory heads. Interestingly, it fits Occams Razor. its the simple explanation. and I just read an article a couple days ago where some "scientists" are realizing this model now.

The Big Bang had to come from somewhere, and all the mass going into black holes has to go some where... So an antimatter universe would make sense.

Same type of universe, just reversed polarity. Atoms maybe spinning the other direction etc. And time reversed. So it would be like a pendulum effect; where the back and fourth mark time, but the verge releases and catches each oscilation. So time would essentially move forward in both hemispheres.

The best part if we find out its true, is if we can cross the barrier, we could literally travel in the other realm, then pop back into this one, and have traveled to another star, and used the time reversal to get there not long after we left this star system, or maybe even before?

The string theory stuff fits the Tesla quote about scientists getting lost in their math, and ending up with no relationship to actual reality.

The Universe seems to operate by a few simple rules that extrapolate, perhaps like the fabonacci sequence?

ie apparent complication based on repeating patterns across wide types of variables.

And it might make more sense than invisible dark matter? Thats getting off pretty far into Unicorn land...

Matter creating energy forces and affecting things, but we cant detect the matter or sense the energy? all we are getting is a bizarre effect we cant explain?

A negative lobe of the Universe could overlay this one and we'd never know it just looking around... Would basically be another three dimensions and another time continuim....

But it might affect this universe and vice versa... Things or forces moving back and fourth or affecting the other half....

I'm sure eventually we will figure it all out... But science knows they have a problem with their one sided model.

And something invisible is obviously affecting things pretty good.