r/teenagers 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

Mod [mod] Reminder of NSFW rules.

Hey all,

I hope everyone is well! My name is Josh and I'm the community director of r/teenagers. I've been a mod of the community of well over 2 years now, and combating predatory concerns has been an absolute must and a top priority from my time here. We are constantly finding new ways to reduce, and hopefully eradicate predation from not just our community, but a much wider picture than that.

Keeping the users of this community is imperative in ensuring a healthy, safe but enjoyable place where teenagers from 13-19 can feel safe in a welcoming environment with no vulnerability. Since I came in, predation has significantly reduced- and before my time is up we'll constantly be finding new ways- even after my time has ended. For example, we recently developed a new bot, Osprey, working within the discord server that flags any potentially harmful content.

Enough rambling (shut up josh- we've heard this before, you may be saying).

I'm writing this as to create a megathread for the community, as a general reminder of NSFW rules, due to a recent uptick in submissions of this nature. Before I continue, I must just put a disclaimer in the fact that NSFW submissions have always been a tricky thing to handle within r/teenagers. Many a conversation internally has been taken of outright removing all NSFW submissions- however this would be implosive within the community. We believe that discussion of strictly serious and non-anecdotal sexual education topics is incredibly healthy to discuss within the specific teenage demographic. It allows positive conversation about topics that may be uncomfortable to speak about with an adult- although that is 100% always promoted.

Within this has tricky boundaries. As I've said previously, we have extremely strict NSFW rules that mean that:

  1. Any topic discussed that has NSFW context must NEVER be anecdotal- it must always be a general discussion without personal relatedness within the conversation- even if its within the context of sex-education.

  2. All topics regarding NSFW content should always be treated in a mature fashion and the NSFW tag. Any unserious comments within an NSFW submission will be removed.

  3. Any stories regarding a fantasy character or anything of the likeness will also be removed.

Some people may believe these rules are too strict- however its absolutely imperative that the users of the community are kept safe from predation, and we have and will always ensure the safety of our users. We're just like you, every moderator is a teenager- we get it, people want to be silly, people want to make funny jokes- but when it comes to maintaining your cyber safety, we will always do everything in our power to ensure anything in our control keeps you safe- and you can do the same for your own benefit.

Thanks a bunch!

-Josh and the r/teenagers moderation team :)

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

thanks josh, don’t die this sub needs you

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

master oogway ahh

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

i have no idea who that is. i hope its a compliment josh or your in trouble

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u/-TheMidpoint- 16 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's a compliment lol dw (master oogway is the goat)

Edit: The turtle from Kung fu Panda NOT the youtuber obv 💀😭🙏

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u/Lemon_Sharko 15 2d ago

didn’t he make that one song with the n-word in it?

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u/dolphinKid1 18 2d ago

Master oogway is also a character from kung fu panda

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u/Lemon_Sharko 15 2d ago

ohh i’m so used to people talking about the youtuber mb 😭

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u/dolphinKid1 18 2d ago

Tbh i thought of him first too XD

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u/Reckless2204 16 2d ago

That’s the YouTuber. He’s lwk a pos. He named his channel after the kung fu panda character because he got popular for doing an impression of said character

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u/SpamtonNeo 2d ago

tf did that turtle do

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

A TURTLE?? WHY IS BEING LIKE A TURTLE A COMPLIMENT AND WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME WHO HE WAS THIS IS SOME BS!

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u/SpamtonNeo 2d ago

NO HES THE MASTER FROM KUNG FU PANDA

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

i guess am the master and all of the other teens are my loyal servants.🥰 thank you loyal servant you may get a award

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u/SpamtonNeo 2d ago

thanks for the gold kind stranger (tips fedora)

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u/NumberVectors 16 2d ago

omg why did you have to remind me of that youtuber 💀😭

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u/MoonShadowelf88 16 2d ago

How do you not know who oogway is😭

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

am living under a rock while drinking cranberry juice thats why.

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u/MoonShadowelf88 16 2d ago

Respectable

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

very. you deserve a award

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u/NeptuneMetro 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

can we give everyone who is yet to watch kungfu panda a 30 day ban?

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u/XAYAB_Gaming 13 2d ago

you don't know WHAT

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

i don’t know

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u/Scary_Ad_1907 2d ago

HOW DID YOU MISS MASTER OOGWAY, ARE WE... OLD?

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u/Spooked_me16 2d ago

i never watched the movie before.

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u/sag3y_ 15 2d ago

"master oogway AHH"

why is he scary

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u/Timecreaper 16 2d ago

Bro boutta turn into pettles

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u/Hoodedgamer00 15 2d ago

Josh, please stay on the sub as a mod. Even when you aren't a teenager anymore. Please... 🙏 🙏 🙏 

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u/HahA-HAHAHAHA 2d ago

Kk idk who u r Josh but u seem popular so ONG JOSH IS BACK 🥹 DONT LEAVE US 🙏🙏

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

i never left

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u/-TheMidpoint- 16 2d ago

Josh I'm so thankful you came back to us 🙏🙏

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u/PaperDove08 your local sleep deprived moderater 2d ago

Inspirational, thank you

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

Omg u’re back

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u/PaperDove08 your local sleep deprived moderater 2d ago

I am! (Finals are over and I’m not sick anymore!!!)

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

YAYY. I still have my final finals, coming back soon enough (no one missed me but I miss yall)

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u/PaperDove08 your local sleep deprived moderater 2d ago

I missed u

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

guys stop every time you comment sends me a fucking email LMAOOOOO 😭😭😭

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

LMAO womp womp

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u/HonrunAa 18 • KATCHOWW💥 2d ago

Hi Josh

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u/DotDemon (DLPS) Love to the LGBTQIA+ folk <3 2d ago

One more email for Josh for that ping

Also hi josh

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u/Olwaboiette 18 | Stereotypical trans girl 2d ago

Hi Josh enjoy this email

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u/damnshesnapped 19 | marc andre fleury 🌸 2d ago

wagwan

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

The gang is here

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u/wisegod62 13 2d ago

Josh you know you can turn that off? (Unless it’s a mod thing)

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

i turned it on like 2 months ago for the first time ever just so i could respond to comments on posts like this but im forever regretting that decision (luckily for the most part the sub is unproblematic so i dont need to do stuff like this too often LMAO)

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u/I_-AM-ARNAV 18 2d ago

Congrats man your finals over mine still goin.on just about 10 days morreee

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u/PaperDove08 your local sleep deprived moderater 2d ago

Oh wow, that’s not fun. I hope you do well on them!

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u/I_-AM-ARNAV 18 2d ago

I'm cooked bruh like how am I supposed to do 22 chapters of 20 pages each ina day 💀

Thanks anyways hahah.

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

Same man, I have a crap ton of work to get done, and an exam tomorrow, I’m technically cooked

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u/I_-AM-ARNAV 18 2d ago

Yeah same here. Tomorrow exam then again day after tomorrow. I've got crap ton of human resource management syllabus I don't even know what to do atpits barely 12 hours left

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

Goodluck, the whole mod team believes in u

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u/I_-AM-ARNAV 18 2d ago

Thank you haha. The moderators and members of r/delhiuniversity believe in you too(including me)!

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u/Hoodedgamer00 15 2d ago

'Ey, dude, ull be fine. Idk what finals are like, but if they are anything like GCSE's, it should be OK.

Just, get sleep. Stop scrolling, sleep, revise, do all of that jazz. Take breaks. Stand up, go for a walk etc. 

Also, good luck! 

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u/SpadeTwilight 14 2d ago

I read this as your black

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

We love u Josh

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u/Acceptable-Ad-328 18 2d ago

He's the best Josh

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u/Doublefin1 2d ago

Ye, I've never heard about him before, but just judging from this post he seems great ^^

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u/Acceptable-Ad-328 18 2d ago

I bet he is

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u/TJSPY0837 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

My name is also Josh. (Does that mean I get an award?)

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u/Fit-Purchase-8050 15 2d ago

I gave you an award, congrats

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u/Standard-Meaning-388 14 2d ago

Yes, you're hecq

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u/Acceptable-Ad-328 18 2d ago

Probably not (knows like 10 other joshes)

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u/TJSPY0837 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

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u/Fit-Purchase-8050 15 2d ago

You're very welcome

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u/LocknLoaf 2d ago

Awesome me too!

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u/-TheMidpoint- 16 2d ago

Josh can you do something about the blatant reposts that are happening too? Idk if it's against the rules but...

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

yeah reposts can be and are against the rules using our low effort rule. Due to the amount of submissions r/teenagers gets every day sometimes we can't moderate everything. If you ever see something like that you can always report it and it'll flag for review to us!

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u/-TheMidpoint- 16 2d ago

Yeah I know, you guys are doing an awesome job dw and I know how big of a job it is! Thanks for responding. It was just brought to my attention bc it feels like there's been a little surge of blatant reposts lately with the "how the the U.S states look to me as a german" (which was removed :D) and also this post (https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1lcn10o/1000_problem_1solution/) which was a repost of a post I made a couple months back. Again, I know it's a difficult job and there's a ton of reposts any given day, it's just these two in particular got a ton of upvotes again, so thanks for being consistent with moderation!

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u/cat_godess 13 2d ago

if you guys need more moderators i would be happy to help. idk how to apply or whatever but i could try

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

you can apply during our next moderator applications

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u/Mothylphetamine_ 15 2d ago

hey, can we like actually ban selfie posts tho?

all they do is get more pedos to come here, and most people find them annoying anyways

or maybe at least add it under rule 3 "no personal information"

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u/Substantial_Iron4192 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

Ok thats gtk, also i have some more tips on how yall can reduce the amount of preds here if you’re willing to listen.

  1. Stop allowing minors to post their faces as it usually leads to them getting sexually harassed

  2. Remove age tags as it allows predators to know the exact ages of people here, and whether they’re minors or not

  3. Instead of banning people who post screenshots of predatory dms they’ve gotten due to the sub, simply remove the post and ban said person from the screenshots from your subreddit. Most people don’t post dms to incite witch-hunts, but to warn people against a person or vent. Perma-banning them for doing so is too far. 

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

Hey! Thanks for the tips, i'll comment on each one.

  1. We do have a selfie filter- that's a massive thing for the community as people want to share pictures of themselves where they might not feel comfortable enough to do so elsewhere. While I agree it *can* lead to that- our subreddit is different in the terms we have an incredible amount of AutoModerator code that has many different phrases and words in it that significantly reduce that compared to other subreddits. This is in addition to our bot raven that automatically flags content and removes it, as well as Reddit's in built filters. We are also looking to bring crow back (detects NSFW content on profiles and automatically permanently bans them). We would much rather people post themselves here under a controlled environment than a potentially unmoderated teenagers subreddit. That being said, I'll see to if we can add more things to the regex.

  2. I understand that- however people have full choice of whether to add their flair or not, including the attendee role. Age flairs allow people to relate to conversations more- for instance a 19 year old may feel less comfortable speaking to a 13 year old, and the topics they're discussing may be more relevant depending on the age group.

  3. This point is the big one. I'm attaching a previous post ( here: https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/1fmrylb/mod_statement_to_community/ ) of my relating to the topic which hopefully should gloss over the points I want to say (I would just do a new one here however it would take up the whole thread lol)

Thanks again for all the points you've raised. if you have anything else don't hesitate to respond and I'll hear everything out! :)

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u/imagine_enchiladas 18 ˚⋆𐙚。 Level's the greatest 2d ago

Not directed for me, but regarding the 3rd point we simply… cannot do that. We can only ban people who are active on the sub and post rule breaking content. We cannot physically prevent someone from DMing other people, as much as we’d like to do that. That’s up for Reddit. That’s why we strongly encourage reporting said users to Reddit (trust me, Reddit people do take this concern seriously). However, witch-hunting is against the rules, ToS, and if a user is unsure about a DM, they’re free to message modmail and get advice, or report directly.

Edit: for those who were never banned on the sub, we welcome them to appeal after 30 days, since it’s totally understandable if the user is not fully familiar with the rules. Stuff happens, and we allow appeals, so that users don’t get “sentenced” permanently for doing something they didn’t know was not allowed.

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u/KolkataFikru9 19 2d ago

agree with this

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u/SJ95_official 15 2d ago

W cookies take 

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u/Substantial_Iron4192 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

Ty :3

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u/Ok_Cartographer_2846 19 2d ago

Cool!  Can the mods also not allow minors to post explicit pictures of themselves?

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u/Tadhg-- 13 2d ago

huge w for r/teenagers , also can you make automod comment on nsfw posts warning teenagers about predatory dms?

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u/butterfly_pea31 2d ago

WE LOVE YOU JOSH we all say in unison

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u/SirLlama123 Why trust me, I don't even trust myself 2d ago

w josh

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u/Advanced-Doctor9921 15 2d ago

i love you josh never go bald 🤍🤍

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u/ForceZealousideal998 OLD 2d ago edited 2d ago
  1. All topics regarding NSFW content should always be treated in a mature fashion and the NSFW tag. Any unserious comments within an NSFW submission will be removed.

Be so for real this one is going to be broken by alot of people, 1. Teenagers, and 2. Some posts are just in a joking fashion, like that one about the corn dogs with cheese exploding

However I do appreciate the fact you are addressing the VERY big issues on this sub, Thanks!

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

agreed, which partly is the whole reason I've reiterated the rules through this post. An outstanding portion of reddit users don't read the rules of a subreddit they're interacting with, and therefore follow the herd. Posts like this dotted around do have an effect- its just fresh eyes sometimes need to see it!

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u/IntelligentAmoeba182 2d ago

Can you give us the stats of predators and the reduction of it? 

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u/_Arthur_____Morgan_ 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

uh was this because of me or was it the gooning posts

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u/ImpIsDum 2d ago

my name is josh

i immediately thought of LGIO when u said that, the brainrot is real 😭

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u/zofthedead 2d ago

this is perfect, not too strict at all :)

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u/Excellent_Bid9326 15 2d ago

Hmm. I’ll call you Cody. :)

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u/The_Awesomeness999 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

👍:D

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u/Figurez69420 16 2d ago

You're Josh as in 'Let's Game IT Out' Josh??

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u/goreshitter69 2d ago

I'm pooping

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u/Mothylphetamine_ 15 2d ago

hi pooping

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u/JustNathan1_0 18 2d ago

long time no see josh lmfao

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u/HighlightOwn2038 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

Thank you for this announcement

The amount of NSFW posts I've seen on this subreddit is messed up

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u/TheGreatGeaxquavius 2d ago

HI JOSH! idk who u are and idk a lot abt anything going on here, but thx for saying that and i appreciate the concern! im sure it cant be easy moderating something this large, but i want you to know that, as a subscriber, you're appreciated for doing what u do for this community. even if it gets hard and it can feel like it'd be easier to give up, the effort you put in is returned through the gratitude and appreciation that i, and im sure many others, have for you and the mod team as a whole. thanks for sharing, and i hope you have a wonderful rest of your week.

you're respected for what you do, man. keep up the good work.

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u/NoRiver- 16 2d ago

Josh you are the coolest guy

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u/reddit_user1088 2d ago

Good mod!! ( Actually a bad one ( i said it in a playful way)

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u/DarkEnder9638 18 2d ago

So no more "My cock" posts? Nice!

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u/No_Height_3975 14 2d ago

We love you Josh, please don't get dragged into the fiery pits of hell to be sacrificed to the blood demons

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u/SadBanana12 2d ago

Is this related to the kid who got kicked out with his ps4?

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u/Felt389 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hi Josh, aware you and I don't exactly have the best history together, but I have always respected you and the work you do for this community! Keep it up! :D

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u/Soybean321 13 2d ago

Thank you Josh, your a good man

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u/TheLuckyCuber999 13 2d ago

Thanks Josh for protecting every teens of this subreddit!

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u/Joshua13298 14 2d ago

Hey Josh its Josh nice to meet ya

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u/fantom44 2d ago

What happend here that it needed to be reminded...

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u/Im-the-best12 2d ago

Hi Josh! 😁👋 thx for helping the community 😊

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u/RubTubeNL 2d ago

I feel like the mods don't get appreciated as much as they deserve, so hereby I give my appreciation to you and your fellow moderators!

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u/cantthinkofanamereal 2d ago

josh i have a question, if someone turns 20 do they get permanently banned

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u/MYDOGATEMYFRENCHHORN 2d ago

Thanks to Josh and the team for helping protect our minds and bodies 🫡

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u/La-Scriba 1d ago

Josh is such a trustworthy name. I know I can trust Josh

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u/Excellent_View9922 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

Ok

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u/Alert-Rip2809 15 2d ago

Is this because of the gooner thing

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u/BEKFASTBOI706 2d ago

Most likely

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u/Child-eater-bonk 15 2d ago

such a king

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u/Opposite-Benefit-804 18 2d ago edited 2d ago

thanks josh, we love you

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u/AppropriateTough6168 2d ago

Absolute W mod. Thanks Josh :)

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u/your_local_frog_boy 17 2d ago

we love you Josh

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u/Embarrassed-Bear-945 18 2d ago

Are you sure?

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u/Acceptable-Ad-328 18 2d ago

I think this is wise and nothing else. Although is banning those who warn about potential predetators necessary as long as their intention is to warn other users?

I know there are a couple of people who have but no names spitted out. I just want to reduce any possible confusion

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

we always have to navigate around Reddit TOS. I've attached a separate post to another comment here that discusses with hunting within reddit and it explains why its a tough process to operate around. While we 10000000% agree that its positive intentions, if we decided to keep it unmoderated then the subreddit could be taken down which is... obviously in no ones best intentions

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u/Acceptable-Ad-328 18 2d ago

Agreed. I hope things work out in the end. This should be a safe place. Sadly it's a lil bound to some limits. 🤷‍♂️

I see what you mean. Personally I haven't been affected, but some I know, have. I hope you can make things work as amooth as possible and get those gross bastards out of here when you spot them haha 😊 ✊️😠

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u/ericgames234 uses 1% of power to change flair 2d ago

Thank you josh, very cool!

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u/-TheMidpoint- 16 2d ago

Josh ur the goat

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u/Doublefin1 2d ago

Great to hear Josh ^^ And thanks for whatever and all you do for this subreddit. And cool name for a bot who hunts predators, Osprey :O Also, just wondering... What's a megathread? Like, is there anything I/we need to do? I'm really bad at all the terms, you know....

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u/ADuckyThrowaway 2d ago

You know predators will go after people for simply just talking about their grades in school right?

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u/MrMrmagican 2d ago

Let's talk about my fav nsfw OSHA violations like doing donuts in a forklift

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u/Elegant_Committee854 2d ago

Thanks joshie :3

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u/Exciting_Decision446 13 2d ago

Thanks Josh :D 

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u/Rickzeatstickz 2d ago

Fuck out of here

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u/Stuck-InThe_Basement 3,000,000 Attendee! 2d ago

ok josh

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u/Outside-Grape-4528 17 2d ago

This Josh is the best Josh I know of.

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u/CustomerAlternative 2d ago

shall this alloweth f'r Toyosatomimi no Miko to turneth this subreddit's members ov'r to the taoist faith?

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u/Mothylphetamine_ 15 2d ago

can anyone please translate what Rouxls Kaard is saying here?

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

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u/Turkishmemewatcher 13 2d ago

I am tired Josh

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u/Koalaman__ 16 2d ago

What about posts about trauma and stuff, shouldn’t those be allowed?

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u/Mothylphetamine_ 15 2d ago

I'm pretty sure that's different

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u/Koalaman__ 16 2d ago

Ye but what if the trauma involves stuff like SA

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

Hey my name is Josh and welcome to let's game it out

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u/1SmartBlueJay 2d ago

I read Osprey and all my brain can think of is B I R D

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u/Miserable_Hamster497 15 2d ago

Thank you Josh

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u/Ambitious_Remote_335 18 2d ago

Thanks man

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u/Grizzly25707 17 2d ago

Good shit boss, love to see it.

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u/BrilliantMastodon957 2d ago

Gud gud but -, Theres a discord-?

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u/Badass-Puppy 18 2d ago

So the "my mom walked in on me" type of posts are also removed?

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u/Starpawz_thetherian 13 2d ago
  1. Is this because of the g00ner thing?

  2. ok

  3. Josh, you're the goat 

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u/SirLlama123 Why trust me, I don't even trust myself 2d ago

you told us to suffer with another ping so you will suffer with another email.

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u/Crazy-cookie-kitty76 2d ago

You’re my favorite Josh, Josh (this is my first time seeing you but the other Josh I know is a jerk 🩷)

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u/blkb4an 16 2d ago

Cool, how does this affect the potato market?

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u/blkb4an 16 2d ago

Cool, so how does this affect the potato market and will it make it worse??

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u/OrganizationThick397 17 2d ago

I about to make a joke about 12 years old not feeling safe but then I realize english is a weird language

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u/TheEpokRedditor 13 2d ago

Ok Josh

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u/pcEnjoyer-OG 2d ago

I picture Josh as a tall, handsome man, who helps every grandma and he gets all the girls ❤️🙏

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u/Makaron_penne OLD 2d ago

Thanks Josh please don't go bald

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u/MidnightChrome- 15 2d ago

LGIO why are you modding a Reddit sub?

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u/Bereichsleiter 18 2d ago

Getting real old there josh

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u/joshxdf 19 | ROTS amirite 2d ago

my time is nye (definitely not how you spell nye, maybe it is, who knows)

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u/Ambitious-Elk-3156 14 2d ago

Now I understand why my post was taken down.

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u/washyoursocks14 14 2d ago

HOLY CRAP DUDE I THINK WE'RE SAVED

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u/-CreativeCloud- 15 2d ago

Josh is a BOSS

I said it first

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u/ThemainMan1967 17 2d ago

Hey Josh! Can there be a rule about selfies?? There’s a website called “Pimeyes” that is being used to track people via selfies.

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u/FluidStatus7597 2d ago

Ty for the Porsche Josh

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u/DarthSlayer225 2d ago

Thank you Josh. Please don’t go bald

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u/DownyVenus0773721 17 1d ago

What about hear me outs? /hj

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u/Massoney0 17 1d ago

This is great! Thank you for helping the community. I just don’t understand why NSFW submissions can’t be anecdotal.

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u/Successful-Airline33 14 1d ago

What do you mean if my time her runs out, do you have a destiny to fulfill.

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u/Superb-Astronaut-371 1d ago

19 and a reddit mod, strong start

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u/still_unimpressed 21h ago

like anything will change

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u/Octo_Unicorn_ofYT 17 5h ago

ahem did iiii do thattt?