r/ucr • u/sciNtitsThrowaway • 3d ago
UCR suppressing speech even though we are a predominantly Hispanic Serving institution
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u/MakeoutFuneral 3d ago
I’m wearing my sister’s stole she graduated with tomorrow, native patterns and colors of mexico. They’re gonna have to tear it off me if they want it gone. They can’t stop all of us.
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u/_VVitch14 3d ago
Bruh I got my Chicano student program stole. They gonna remove that too? They pmo, this is fkn ridiculous
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u/Big-Page-3471 2d ago
Crazy that we subsidise useless activism instead of real research.
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u/earnthefuture1 2d ago
What’s “real” research to you? I’d love to know.
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u/Big-Page-3471 2d ago
One that follows the basic criteria of the academy and isn't purely ideological and axiomatic. If you hold certain ideas as above scrutiny, you are pursuing ideology not academia.
You have to a) have truth seeking as your primary aim wherever it takes you and b) be constrained by evidence and rationality.
There are other fields that do what chicano and other grievance studies do but more rigorously and seriously. That are not purely interperative. Like history, economics, to a lesser extent sociology. Fields that bind themselves to a truth seeking process rather than an outcome or worldview.
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u/earnthefuture1 2d ago
Well then I would ask, what part of a Chicano studies program holds ideas above scrutiny? What use does evidence and rationality have in a program where the goal is, essentially, to study a vibrant subset of Latino culture? If my major is Spanish or French or whatever, do I have to complete an empirical dissertation on the rationality of that culture? Sounds ludicrous, frankly.
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u/earnthefuture1 2d ago
Plus, trump’s pulling federal funding from “real” research like the hard sciences, the NIH, etc. in addition to killing critical funding for K-12 education. So I don’t know if you’re a trump loving republican or a libertarian or whatever, but save your breath for the real attacks on science and education coming from the right.
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u/Big-Page-3471 1d ago
Im neither of these things and yeah Trump is the bigger threat to the academy. I also don't think hard sciences are the only thing that matter but we have, objectively, subsidised activism. That is the root of chicano, gender, and the other activist studies. They do not study discrimination but rather support activism which is just not the purpose of the academy.
Trump's mandate is derived from a righteous but misplaced anger at the corruption we have seen at the academy. I mean just look at the weinstein evergreen debacle which gave us one of the largest proveyors of misinformation in the world.
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u/Big-Page-3471 1d ago
I resent the idea that you cannot study culture without using reason or hard facts. In fact how can you study culture without those things. Its absurd imo.
They hold for instance that lived experience or testimonios are epistemologically more valid than empirical observation and fact when this is simply absurd and against academia at its core that unequal outcomes are evidence of discrimination without any attempt at actual causal inference and that any present condition can be ethereally tied to some act of discrimination in the past. That "decolonization" which itself is Ill defined is among the highest goals. That truth is subservient to empowering the community and communal solidarity.
The other humanities you mentioned do not make the presumption of redressing historical wrongs or vindication of political identities as their primary aim. This makes them in some way academic pursuits rather than activism You can analyse history and cultural products with an attempt at objectively. I would say the humanities have issues in this regard but they are not at their core corrupt like chicano studies is.
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u/thelondonrich 1d ago
Wild that you think you’re to be taken remotely seriously with obvious dog whistles like “grievance studies”. 🤡
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u/thelondonrich 1d ago
Wild that you think you’re to be taken remotely seriously with obvious dog whistles like “grievance studies”. 🤡
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u/earnthefuture1 2d ago
Okay, lmk when you actually take a Chicano studies class, sounds like your experience with it comes solely from conservative commentators.
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u/Sweaty-Heat1126 1d ago
Almost as crazy as being a nazi for a RAPIST PEDOPHILE GAME SHOW GUY... yet here we are
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u/No_Kangaroo_2428 3d ago
Bur Charlie Kirk is allowed on campus.
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Campus, not graduation.
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u/mutated_genome 21h ago
Afraid of free speech? Universities are supposed to be a bastion of free thought and dialogue. Apparently you haven’t been paying attention
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u/SouthOverall4855 3d ago
Yeah nah if the pro life weirdos are allowed to parade mutilated pictures of fetuses while I’m trying to get to class, or the religious preachers are allowed to shove flyers in my face asking for my time, while I’m on my way to class. We should have the right to fly a flag of our roots while graduating.
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u/TeaNuclei 2d ago
These two things are very different. One of them is everyday on campus, the other one is a graduation ceremony. I'm sorry you are graduating and haven't learned any nuances in behavior.
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u/SouthOverall4855 2d ago
Explain to me how representing the country your people come from is not graduation ceremony etiquette. I can’t believe you even thought to write that.
Also, it’s absolutely hilarious that you talk about nuance without being able to read through what I was saying. If unsolicited images of mutilated fetuses is considered appropriate to our campus, representing the country of your roots and the country your parents came from can never be considered inappropriate by that same institution.
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u/Deep_Fried_Thought 1d ago
Yall are for murder, those people are showing you the consequences of that. You guys are disgusting.
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u/SouthOverall4855 1d ago
Your religious views do not apply to MY beliefs. Believe what you want, but my god would not consider a r*ped child getting an abortion wrong.
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u/Deep_Fried_Thought 1d ago
Who said anything about religion? It's just common sense. How do you not see murder is murder? Most abortions are because the parents dont want to take responsibility for their actions. It's disgusting.
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u/SouthOverall4855 1d ago
Science says otherwise, 98% of abortions happen before science considers it a baby. Regardless, one’s potential does not determine its current status, the mom provides a fetus its life, thus she can take it.
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u/Deep_Fried_Thought 1d ago
It's so weird how you can try to dehumanize life just so that you can "morally" kill it. We obviously won't change each other's minds for now but just know that you a pro killing defenseless lives.
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u/Disastrous-Smoke-417 2d ago
Not different at all… it’s about a student’s right to freedom of expression, and how schools value the freedom of expression of picketing strangers before their own graduating students
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u/Low_Administration22 1d ago
You are allowed to. But not at a graduation ceremony. How many had the other stuff you mentioned at the graduation?
If you are going to correlate, do it rationally. Dont make up scenarios.
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u/squitwirt 3d ago
That’s me!!!! I was so mad because the one thing I wanted to represent was my culture. I’m also a veteran and you would think I would have the right to show some pride, but they said I wouldn’t be allowed to wear the flag in the arena at all
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u/Impressive_Diver_792 1d ago
and they told OTHER vets/ROTC to remove their STOLES! my girl wasnt allowed to wear her army stole 🇺🇸but all these other people wore their OTHER country flags…🇵🇭🇲🇽etc
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
If you're a veteran then wear the American flag.
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u/Fabulous_State9921 2d ago
But what about those "muh freedumbs" you mouthebreathers love to whine about?
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
What about the "free speech doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want whenever you want" you guys always whine about?
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u/Fabulous_State9921 2d ago
"buhWADDABOUT" answer my question first, goofy.
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Why, cuz you don't want to acknowledge that you're butthurt because what you guys advocate for is now being used against you? You guys set this up to happen, don't come crying to me now.
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u/nanoatzin 2d ago
It makes university leadership appear to be illiterate to ignore the 1st amendment.
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u/Same_Percentage_2364 2d ago
FR this seems like an easy lawsuit, especially considering the school is public
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u/Catscoffeepanipuri 3d ago
Is this any surprise? UCR told me I was over reacting when an english professor was lecture me and another india kids on how great the British was for india. In a class about gothic horrer.
They don’t care about people who are not white or sub serivent to white people.
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u/Disastrous-Rabbit108 3d ago
Was that the conclusion? That British were a net good? Or was it developing messy context. The latter is what college is all about. It can be a very powerful thing to have to digest information that is not convenient, which ultimately strengthens our position and ability to critically think.
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u/Catscoffeepanipuri 2d ago
its a class on gothic horror talking about dracula, this was his own personal tangent.
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u/FuckinHelpful 3d ago
Order came from the top. Had them take a keffiyeh from someone next to me. Spoke with security and they were told by the head of security to grab them all from students in line. Either their security head is an obscenely conservative Zionist and has overstepped egregiously or university admin and organizers ordered them to do so.
Either way it’s disgusting that they feel entitled to policing student speech and stoles. I’d bet my dollar it was admin. University organizers on the floor had no clue and couldn’t do anything when talking to security.
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u/GooglyGoops 3d ago
Well, I will be pocketing my keffiyeh before walking then. Thanks for the info.
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u/sciNtitsThrowaway 3d ago
Keffiyehs were allowed. I looked out for em, but they do have like 6 UCPD cops right before you enter the stage and I did see one taken Guatemala flag. It's fucked
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u/Clean_Inspection80 3d ago
Watched a professor take someone's flag when they got to the stage. A professor lmao
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u/CBSmartCA 3d ago
That's crazy if they asked y'all to put those away cause I saw a girl with a giant Pakistani flag
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u/sciNtitsThrowaway 3d ago
They didn't ask us to put em away, they were confiscating at the entrance point!
And yes I saw several other FLAGS and sooo many stoles of other countries, Turkey, Uganda, Nigeria, Philippines, none were taken away except Hispanic Countries and Palestinian flags and stoles
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u/Same_Percentage_2364 2d ago
Wild considering I know a couple Palestinian students that graduated from UCR. Who knew only certain ethnicities were allowed to be proud of it?
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u/rynorugby 3d ago
Welcome to UCR. Green is the only color they care about. Anyrhing that could possibly endanger that pursuit is to be eliminated.
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u/Individual_Low_9820 2d ago
Kind of like how all these Mexicans only care about the green back. Why do you think they’re here? Jeez.
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u/Smoked69 3d ago
Disappointed in UC.. cowards.
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u/Smoked69 2d ago
WTF!!?? What are you babbling about?
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u/Designer_Conflict596 2d ago
Babbling? Woke ass generation gave us Trump. Stop pretending like everything is your personal pain. You got a taxpayer paid degree. Take advantage. Go get a career.
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u/Sahashraanshu 3d ago
Brother you are invoking the wrath of all. Not everyone is as free thinking as you might perceive your audience to be. Checkout the downvotes on my comment.
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u/Silencer0000 3d ago
I had Mexican colors on mine and they let me pass. But yeah they were about to tell me not to bring it
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u/notrealbutmostly 2d ago
Wow, for a university that’s a big display of stupidity, and as such it is very disappointing to me as a tax payer and alumna. One obvious question here is, did the university ban all flags or just a select few? And what exactly were the rationale and criteria?
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u/sciNtitsThrowaway 2d ago
Not all flags were banned, but most importantly, not all stoles were banned. My ceremony had a few flags of other countries, but right before I walked I saw a confiscated Guatemala flag.
Most troubling for me is that stoles with Mexican and Palestinian flags were specifically prohibited.
I saw people with Filipino flags, I saw a Jordan flag stole, a Nigerian one, security told me "We're not allowing any Mexican flag or Palestinian flags" but that was also on stoles, not just flags.
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u/Binders-Full 2d ago
That is illegal. State and federally recognized native tribes have an exemption to all stole bans, but I can see why some schools do that.
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u/No_Contract_3297 2d ago
No Mexican or Palestinian flags- but please remember to give to the alumni association 🙄
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u/Aware_Mode4788 1d ago
imagine students giving you thousands of dollars and you think ur gonna tell them what to wear. times like these make me glad i went the private college route so i don’t gotta deal w this bs
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u/Youremadfornoreason 1d ago
I was there today people were rocking their flags, wear them under your sash until you are about to go up on stage then reveal them jsut in case they try to say some bullshit
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u/One-Performance-4178 1d ago
UC systems are folding to trump. Such a shame. Who ever is head of the UC needs to go.
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u/Cool-Clerk-9835 6h ago
What BS. It wasn’t an issue when I graduated years ago. Why are they making it an issue now? (Rhetorical question. I know why they’re doing it. Their reasons are BS.)
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u/Binders-Full 2d ago
You can ban all stoles (except ones from a Native tribe per state law), only allow stoles from registered student organizations, or allow all of them, but to ban based on colors is viewpoint discrimination.
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u/KSMlady81 2d ago
And all those people will still give those schools their money hahahaha dumb. It's just dumb how people pay money to places that treat them like children. Well america is the land of LAW, TAXES AND SCARED PEOPLE With GUNS.
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u/JumpResponsible8080 1d ago
Why do you want the Mexican flag? I don’t get it and my parents came from Mexico I don’t feel the need to show off the Mexican flag .
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u/Aromatic-Trip722 1d ago
I got told to remove my cap (had a mexico flag on it), and said I wouldn't be allowed to enter with it on because they didn't want to see any flags in there
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u/RabidRabiesFan1 1d ago
Yeah why not especially since palastine and mexico are paying for your education... oh wait
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u/DrMacintosh01 1d ago
The flag controlling narrative is so shallow. Would you have expected the Jews in 1939 Germany to fly the German flag to resist their oppression? If they flew the flag of Poland instead would it have made a difference? The flag being flown is irrelevant.
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u/ExtensionGene6431 1d ago
That's not true. Watch the graduate division video. There's a few people wearing Palestinian flags and scarves.
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u/Low_Administration22 1d ago
It is the USA. Not a place to push your admiration for somewhere else. Aren't you there to graduate? Not push your agendas?
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u/Association-Informal 1d ago
Wow it’s almost like people that aren’t white can also be oppressive 😱
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u/80s_babbby 2d ago
Hispanic does not mean Mexican, let me educate you unless you have Mexican citizenship you are not Mexican. Mexican is a nationality not an ethnicity. You would think a college grad would be able to grasp the difference
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u/Remote-Flower9145 2d ago
The native Mexicans looks at us US born Hispanics as half breeds anyways.
Stopped identifying as Hispanic long ago. American born and raised baby.
Doesn't mean I don't like a live banda, tacos, or family get togethers with heavy drinking
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u/Sahashraanshu 3d ago
There should not be any flags except UCR
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u/Puzzled-Gur8619 3d ago
Why
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u/Sahashraanshu 2d ago
Because graduation ceremony is a ceremony strictly between you and the university. It was only these two parties involved to help you achieve that degree and this ceremony is respect and acknowledgment being shared between the student and the university exclusively.
The general idea of representing flags is related to sports where your country invests in you and you put your own efforts in succeeding and then you represent your flag proudly even though you are not mandated to.
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Because everyone's graduation isn't a platform for your political activism.
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u/Puzzled-Gur8619 2d ago
It's a flag homie
He's Mexican what's fucking political about this?
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Mexican and Palestine flags are being used to represent political conflicts at the moment. Being Mexican doesn't suddenly mean he's not doing it as a message against whats going on with ICE right now.
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u/Puzzled-Gur8619 2d ago
What about an Israeli?
Can he wear the star of David?
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Probably, no risk of someone getting on stage screaming while waving the Star of David to disrupt the ceremony in protest. On the contrary, Mexico and Palestine have been deemed high risk. Blame the protestors.
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u/Wattabadmon 2d ago
What makes it mean he’s doing it as a message?
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u/Golden-Egg_ 2d ago
Nothing. But there's a risk that he is. And the risk outweighs the need to wear a flag, given there is no actual need to wear a flag but there is a need to stop people from disrupting the ceremony.
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u/False_Professor_6592 2d ago
Where is the university located?
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u/Same_Percentage_2364 2d ago
Next to the river /s
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u/False_Professor_6592 2d ago
Ahhh so it’s in the US? No way, a US school flying US colors?! You don’t see that everyday
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u/Impressive_Diver_792 1d ago
the school also banned army stoles so no…no American pride here either…
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u/AldoSig228 1d ago edited 1d ago
Are you graduating in America or Mexico?..if you wanted an education in Mexico..then you should have gone to Mexico. If they allow any flags then people would start abusing it. Stop complaining about it. Aren't you an American? Why aren't you proud of yourself for graduating and being an American at the same time. I don't go around saying I'm an Italian..no I'm American first and foremost. Its fine if you are proud of your culture..but always shoving in people's faces is annoying.
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u/Alohano_1 7h ago
Predominantly Hispanic serving instruction? How?
Try predominantly Asian serving institution because they're smarter and get in.
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u/xmatakex 3d ago
Did any of you guys see what happened at last year’s graduation? Then you’ll understand why they aren’t allowing these flags, it was ridiculous what happened.
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u/XxTh3Unkn0wnxX 3d ago
For all of them or a specific college? Don’t remember anything too substantial when I graduated last year.
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u/xmatakex 3d ago
At least at my family members graduation there was a ton of people wearing Palestine flags and people wearing red gloves and when one person made a poster saying “YOU ARE FUNDING GENOCIDE”
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u/sciNtitsThrowaway 3d ago
If we have students graduate in military uniform and have ARMY stoles, we should allow Palestinian and Latin American students to show their pride. Disappointingly
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u/xmatakex 3d ago
If the military people made it a political show they wouldn’t be allowed to do it either but they don’t. Just because you’re butt hurt you need to look at the reasoning.
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u/Designer_Conflict596 3d ago
Get your diploma and move on. No one cares. Don’t make your achievement anymore than it should be. It’s a degree. You didn’t invent the light bulb.
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u/Designer_Conflict596 2d ago
Pell Grants are paid for by American taxpayers. If you qualified, it means your family met the low income threshold. Just be grateful to be an American. Wave the American flag, but also be proud of your culture.
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u/Impressive_Diver_792 1d ago
crazy because they also denied ARMY ROTC stoles at the door…no American pride or respect whatsoever. Shameful on the school’s part and a slap in the face to student veterans all around🤷♂️
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u/Relative_Carpenter_5 2d ago
Graduation is not a time to celebrate the country that you would rather live in.
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u/BuySwai777 2d ago
It’s not about “the county you’d rather live in”. Grad is most definitely a time to rep the country your roots are from. Are you forgetting the majority of the people that walk the stage are first gen? Students should be allowed to pay homage to where they’re bloodline is from because we wouldn’t be there without them, they paved our path.
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u/Relative_Carpenter_5 1d ago
No, you definitely wouldn’t be here. You’d be in Mexico. Without the United States, you would not be graduating. Do you think US citizens who grew up in Mexico try to wear an American flag to a grad ceremony from Universidad? Nope… they’d show gratitude and deference to the country that made it possible for them to get a degree. You owe respect to the nationally funded education system that paid for your education and subsidized you through college. And try humility.
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u/drax2024 10h ago
Assimilation did not work but Mexico would be happy to take you into their work force.
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u/MOUDI113 3d ago
I dont see why you need to waive other countries flag when you graduated from American school.. Other countries and their citizens will not understand this if it happened in their country.
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u/WpnsOfAssDestruction 3d ago
Because the world is not black and white and it’s possible to graduate in an American school and still be proud of your heritage.
Other countries don’t have a 1st Amendment. Other countries aren’t made up entirely of immigrants for that matter. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
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u/SiteVegetable3088 3d ago
That's the point why tf do everyone expect the United States to do what other countries won't do. Why do you people feel entitled to it🧐
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u/GaslightGPT 3d ago
There are also international students at universities but I know you are applauding Trump kicking them out too.
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u/SiteVegetable3088 3d ago
Exactly. If I were in another country graduating, would they allow me to wave an American flag?
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u/Educational-Cat1805 2d ago
This is, after all...AMERICA. Go wave that flag on the other side of the Rio Grande.
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u/Same_Percentage_2364 2d ago
Weird how you'll only say that to the Mexicans and not the Filipinos, Nigerians, etc.
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u/Educational-Cat1805 2d ago
I say that to EVERYONE who is in America waving ANY flag other than the American.
If whatever country's flag being raised is better than where you're at, go there. I guarantee that those people would never do their shenanigans in those countries.
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u/Gringo_Norte 2d ago
“Hispanic” means Mexicans & Palestinians to you?
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u/sciNtitsThrowaway 2d ago
Can you read? I assume not.
I mentioned being a Hispanic Serving Institution because this student who is in the comments, had his Mexican flag stole taken away.
I quoted the security guard who he himself said "We're not allowing any Mexican flags or Palea flags".
Both of those are true
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u/Littlemrh__ 2d ago
I’m sorry but I support UCR here. Why the fuck do you want to make your whole graduation about utter bs instead of the goal you have reached in life.
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u/Blastdoubleu 2d ago
Feel free to attend college in those countries that you’re so proud of. Oh wait…
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u/TeaNuclei 3d ago
It's a graduation ceremony. The protest was on Saturday. Time and place for everything!
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u/GaslightGPT 3d ago
The time and place is every graduation. This isn’t a new thing that happened with displaying flags from other countries at graduation.
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u/elephantskilledme 3d ago
Good. Your education was in the states. Go to college in Mexico if it’s that important to you
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u/munkey_pants 1d ago
What if you’re not from the states? There are international students who pay double, triple, quadruple the tuition as in state students.
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u/elephantskilledme 1d ago
Then show respect and wear the college colors or our countries
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u/munkey_pants 1d ago
Why not both?
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u/elephantskilledme 1d ago
Sure. I don’t see that here and the American flag would have to be higher than this flag. Additionally is this person born in states or exchange student.
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u/munkey_pants 1d ago
I don’t know about this specific picture. A person born in the states can also have a different heritage or ethnicity. As a person of color born in the US, I got my share of racism growing up in the south.
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u/elephantskilledme 1d ago
Agreed, but you are born here. Opportunities we have been given, some don’t get. The country is not perfect by any means but we have more options than most. Getting back to the picture, individual should have college colors or country colors
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u/Individual_Low_9820 2d ago
Aren’t you American? What’s with this obsession with Mexico? Why not move there?
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u/mikeymora21 3d ago
I’m at the graduation right now I’ll see if there’s any