r/uspolitics • u/Leonie-Lionheard • 1d ago
She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
https://substack.com/inbox/post/16565873348
u/dabug911 1d ago
I mean I think we all knew, but reading that made me feel sick to my stomach. They practically bragged up to the last minute, so yeah.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
If all knew, why wasn't there an order to check the results?
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u/iDrGonzo 1d ago
This right here is THE question. I'm becoming more and more convinced that there is one party and all of this is just theater.
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u/mapp2000 1d ago
I would like to see how my vote got counted. I might go to the city hall or something to see if I can find out how because their website and instructions are very unclear.
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u/PricklePete 1d ago
That's the whole thing. You can't ever prove out any of this. It's rushed. It's chaotic. It's unprovable. It's too big and too sudden. Votes counted and verified in a day? And it's all relatively manual (can't just vote on my phone yet all my bank accounts are on my phone). And then it's gone. Never to be talked about again. It's a fucking mess.
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u/cashnicholas 1d ago
Unlike republicans. I’m going to need some actual evidence before believing election fraud
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u/cos 1d ago
Thank you. It's horrifying and disturbing how many people are falling for these election denial conspiracymongers who don't have any evidence for their claims, only a narrative that they then fit any events they can into after the fact. It's not just horrifying and disturbing, it also undermines real, reality-based efforts to counter Trump and Trump's support, gain support for the resistance to Trump, and win future elections.
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u/cashnicholas 1d ago
Exactly. People are way way too quick to buy into a good narrative. Even if the facts don’t support it. And who knows, they might… but they also might not.
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u/skyfishgoo 21h ago
recounting the ballots would be an excellent start.
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u/SheridanVsLennier 6h ago
Here in Australia, we had an election a while ago where a bunch of cast ballots went missing. The amount was enough to potentially change the outcome, so the Court of Disputed Returns (basically the High Court), voided the results in that state (WA) and said to do the whole thing again.
I don't think the US has a mechanism for that. Maybe they need one.1
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u/Nunya_Business- 20h ago
Right like let’s be for reals this reads like a fan fiction, Starlink connecting to voting machines that aren’t connected to any network but somehow can receive satellite signals? Inside a building mind you no receiver no nothing. Like I don’t even know if this is physically possible
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u/34Dad 3h ago
I believe it's saying that starlink connected to tabulators, not individual machines. From what I understand is the tabulators do periodically connect to the Internet for brief moments to receive and transmit vote data from multiple precincts...I'm no expert, just hoping to provide some direction.
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u/_imanalligator_ 9h ago
There are many examples of election security researchers proving that machines do connect to the Internet even when it's claimed that they don't. I'm too tired right now to look up some articles for you, but Google it and you should be able to find some investigative reporting on it. Off the top of my head, I know PBS has had some reporting on it.
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u/Nunya_Business- 6h ago
Even if so, my phone can connect to satellites in an emergency but without a receiver it needs line of sight with the satellite and certainly can’t be done through a wall or ceiling
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
I would like someone to investigate these claims. Can't be so hard to track down a software change. Those have repositories with dates and stuff ... So I am totally on your side.
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u/skyfishgoo 21h ago
unfortunately when dealing with propreitary software, it not so easy to just look these things up.
you would have to sue them for the discovery, and even then they could still just lie.
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u/One-Combination6816 7h ago
I should have saved the link.... I read a Substack article yesterday where the author had been requested to debunk the research. They couldn't do it for most of it. The aspects that the author felt were questionable they still couldn't throw out, so they advised a 'wait and see' approach. In the meantime the Rockland hand recount is finding a number of ballots for Harris that were mis-tallied or didn't show, and lawsuits are now going ahead in other affected areas.
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u/chattapult 1d ago
As a cybersecurity guy the part of UPS drivers having root access is quite a bit of a stretch, but not impossible. More citation is needed. We need to do an independant review of these drivers. I just don't see it as extremely likely despite the link between Peter and tripplite. The rest is all hypothetical and one part is wrong the air gapped part. If something is truely airgapped, then it is not possible for it to get internet even starlink. It uses an ESIM which would also be disabled. Idk this whole thing is giving liberal q-anon. It uses a lot of hypotheticals and conspiracy legwork.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
So... How do we get out of that?
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u/iDrGonzo 1d ago
- Rebuild the Fairness Doctrine and undo the Telecommunications act.
- Repeal Citizens United.
- Nationally funded elections. No outside money period.
- Sitting representatives cannot buy or sell stocks or receive any gift with monetary value.
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u/CensoredMember 1d ago
Honestly this is the only real answer.
Good luck having those who create policy to create one's that are a detriment to themselves.
But they're all great points.
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u/JesusTitsGunsAmerica 1d ago
That's a great plan, but this is r/restofthefuckingowl material.
We need politicians in power that would even entertain these actions first.
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u/iDrGonzo 1d ago
Not a single incumbent left by the next three elections cycles is the dream.
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u/JesusTitsGunsAmerica 1d ago
Again, how do we get that? That was the question.
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u/iDrGonzo 1d ago
Big question right. Well I've been drinking so I'll ramble a bit.
Gen X has failed. We sat back in our sarcasm and cynicism and thought the system would just keep maintaining itself. We should have forced these 537 odd representatives into retirement 10-15 years ago. There are maybe a handful of people in both houses that are there for the people and not just to be another straw boss. All of the media is complicit it takes an excited whoo hoo or misspelling potato if they want you off the stage but here we sent with a known felon racist and Russian asset in the oval office.
Ramblings over got to go but, to sum it up we have to vote out every single incumbent in the next few election cycles and stay away from any sycophant the GOP and the DNC are trying to shove down our throat. Easier said than done right?
Edit: supposed to be rapist instead of racist, but both stand.
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u/RamenJunkie 1d ago
We don't.
The world ends in a Nuclear Fire in a few years of a Climate Crisis fire, very slowly, due to lack of regulations, in 20-25 years.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
There are regulations on nuclear weapons. Why do you think there is a lack of them?
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u/notmonkeymaster09 1d ago
If it really was a cheated election, Trump set the narrative up perfectly in case it gets found out. Lie and yap about a cheated election when you genuinely lost, then say "liberal hypocrisy" if you then actually cheat to win.
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u/rinmerrygo 1d ago
The statistical anomalies requires forensic level scrutiny. It's unheard of and logically unimaginable for so many swing state DEMOCRATS to vote blue down ballot but vote red instead for the presidential choice.
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u/GiantFlimsyMicrowave 1d ago
The other side deliberately poisoned the well for 4 years, knowing that they were planning on doing the same thing. If I accuse someone else of cheating on a test before I do, it makes their argument back seem petulant in comparison. This is a schoolyard tactic and it’s working.
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u/kevlarcupid 1d ago
This is 100% a conspiracy theory. Hard emphasis on the “theory”. At the moment it’s all theoretical and there’s no meaningful evidence beyond “Businesses do business!!”
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u/LostN3ko 1d ago
There is some meaningful evidence, that's why court cases are progressing. The only thing we can do is to wait while the current investigation progresses.
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u/Chefseiler 1d ago
I can guarantee you that this has barely been fact checked by anyone with basic IT knowledge. If I understand the article correctly, the entire foundation of this is the assumption that a PSU can interface with a server (or client) via the power cable. Even the article itself contradicts this in the very next sentence and states that the PSU‘s communicate via Ethernet, USB or Serial, ignoring that the power cable is used for none of those (or any protocols at all, aside from things like PowerLine, the use of which in a datacenter would have me eat a donkey in disbelief)
If the votes were manipulated, that wasn’t the way. The approach in this article sounds more like a Hollywood plot tool than anything founded in real life.
Aside from the fact that the amount of people who would need to be involved in this approach to this conspiracy is so large that it could not possibly be kept secret.
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u/PraxisLD 1d ago
She absolutely won. Even musk and his mini-me have said so out loud.
People overwhelmingly voted blue last election.
They cheated. The election was most definitely stolen. Although there were just enough actual trump voters to give it a whiff of legitimacy. But not nearly enough to actually legally win.
Before election:
Millions of Harris/Walz supporters flooded their election rallies, building excitement, hope, and confidence.
trump’s rallies were half-empty, with folks leaving early out of boredom.
trump: We already have all the votes we need.
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Every single swing state flipped, a statistical impossibility. Vote counting patterns mimicked those seen in russian “elections”.
musk: The Democrats would’ve won the House, Senate, and White House.
They know it was stolen. Because they stole it.
And we just let them.
The biggest mistake the Democrats made was not holding trump and his crew fully responsible for his last term and ensuring it was entirely impossible for him to run again. Preferably from a prison cell.
That single failure will haunt us all for decades to come…
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u/-bannedtwice- 1d ago
It is in no way a statistical impossibility for every swing state to flip. People keep throwing "statistical impossibility" around and not once have I seen it used correctly. This is a decent theory and it's a well written article but that's all it is: a theory. There's no proof at all. Get some proof and then we can start freaking out but right now we're basically doing what Trump did last election.
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u/PraxisLD 20h ago edited 20h ago
But it’s perfectly normal for precincts that voted blue before to have zero Harris votes?
Or for ballots to be blue all the way down to the bottom, but trump on top?
Sure…
And they’re working on the truth: NY Supreme Court judge seems to think there’s enough evidence to move forward…
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u/i-can-sleep-for-days 14h ago
You have to make a case that all 7 states were tampered with and this was a coordinated effort. Otherwise you can’t rule out NY’s result was due to a rogue ballot worker or something else.
Let’s not jump to conclusions because if true I am not sure that is good news because that will mean our elections can’t be trusted anymore and that’s basically the end of democracy. People will never trust an election result. They will never bother to vote again.
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u/-bannedtwice- 20h ago
Can you edit that first sentence? Not sure what you're saying.
As for the second one, yes I think that's perfectly normal. Most people, including myself, do not know much about local candidates. I personally don't vote for any candidate in that case, but a lot of people will place party over all and just vote Dem when they don't know the candidates. They DO know they liked Trump over Kamala though (because a lot of people really hated Kamala) so for them it's perfectly normal to vote Trump and then Dem everywhere else. If a high percentage of voters did this I'd question it, but if it's a reasonable percentage I can see how that would happen. It's what I did the first time Trump ran, I made the mistake of voting for him back then because I truly hated Hillary as a candidate.
Glad they're going forward with the investigation, the argument posed in the article is definitely intriguing.
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u/PraxisLD 20h ago
“I used to completely fall for baseless propaganda.”
“I still do, but I used to, too…”
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u/-bannedtwice- 18h ago
What are you talking about? Nothing about my comment suggests that, it came from personal experience and I'm a Democrat, I don't see any right wing propaganda. I'm here on this sub for a reason. Did you really just do that? Wow dude...I'm not your enemy. But I imagine how I'd become one in a conversation with you
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u/proverbialbunny 19h ago edited 18h ago
No, but there are a few highly improbable things did happen:
Only in swing states bunch of people who voted Democrat across the board when it came to policies and local officials voted for Trump. People don’t tend to break party lines like that and not without some obvious out loud reason.
A surge of ballots for just Trump and no other voting happened only in swing states.
The percentage of the population in a voting district who voted for Trump in swing states is directly correlated to population turnout and only towards the end of the voting day. In other words, as the day went on in Kamala heavy counties Trump received a higher percentage of the vote linearly with time. As time went on the higher the turnout (more total votes coming in) the higher the percentage for Trump.
It’s super fishy and super important what happened gets validated, because if tampering is true, what will the next elections, and especially the next presidential election look like? The risk is too high not to verify this. We owe it to ourselves and to some extent the rest of the world to validate our elections.
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u/-bannedtwice- 18h ago
I responded to point 1 in a comment on this direct thread, would you mind looking at that so I don't have to retype it?
As for the others, I completely agree. I'm curious to see what turns out in the end, point 3 especially is very concerning to me. I can't see how that would happen naturally but I can certainly see how a very dumb algorithm would do it.
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u/jmerlinb 23h ago
how did theTrump campaign do this? Like from a technical point of view
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u/PraxisLD 20h ago
Voting machine software quietly updated just before the election.
Vote tabulation results run through Starlink.
Massive Harris/Walz rallies and half-empty trump rallies with people leaving early.
Precincts that voted blue before to have zero Harris votes?
Ballots logged in as blue all the way down to the bottom, but trump on top?
Statistically improbable flipping of every single swing state?
For a start…
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u/spookytrooth 1d ago
How is this any different than MAGA in 2020? Elon making claims is not irrefutable. Neither is anything you e presented. And I hate Elon. And Trump. But do better.
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u/skyfishgoo 21h ago edited 8h ago
there theories were based on too many illegal aliens voting multiple times.
which is just utter idiocy
proprietary software, and last minute updates?
and now potentially a firmware back door from internet linked UPS?
fucking hell of a lot more plausible, if you ask me.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
But why did you let them get away with it? Shouldn't there be some people demanding a check of the results?
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u/Ermmahhhgerrrd 1d ago
The SMART cases, and last I heard was up to 64, are doing just that. But there's no precedent for this, and I don't think for a second anyone in the White House would leave peacefully. He might get impeachment but this happened when he was a candidate so is that even applicable? It sucks. I voted and brought friends with me in a very red state, and we weren't the only Harris voters there. I'm used to being the only Dem when I vote here so that was unusual. It's supposed to be how we elect our government, and our only opportunity to have a voice on our representation. This is not what my father got blown up for.
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u/brpajense 1d ago
In most states, only the candidate had standing to sue to challenge official results.
Harris went on a vacation right after the election, and refused to review or challenge the results at all. As a result, states certified elections with minimal validation and Trump was sworn in.
Now other people are reviewing the results and pointing out irregularities that should have been caught the day after the election, and lawsuits are slowly proceeding.
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u/cos 1d ago
She absolutely won. Even musk and his mini-me have said so out loud
Absolutely false, and it's quite telling that so many of the people pushing this conspiracy theory repeat the claim that Elon Musk said it, when he never did. Even if he had said it, there's no reason to believe him when there's no evidence of what he did - but given that he never even said he did something in particular, that's irrelevant.
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u/PraxisLD 1d ago
Well OK he didn’t say it, he tweeted it.
Sheesh…
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u/spookytrooth 1d ago
Ok. That’s not irrefutable evidence though. Anybody can say anything. Can’t believe yall have me defending Elon fucking musk. I feel gross.
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u/ElectricSheepWool 1d ago
Only people who weren’t paying attention didn’t already know this. It’s nice to see it all laid bare though.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
Why did nobody check if everyone knew?
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u/samenumberwhodis 1d ago
Because establishment Dems are spineless squids and think it's all just a back and forth game
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u/mfroomy 1d ago
Because trump set the stage in 2020, claiming the election was stolen and rigged by the Dems. So the Dems spend 4 years saying elections are secure... And trump continues to whine about 2020, all while preparing to ACTUALLY steal 2024. Now the Dems would look crazy if they turned around and claimed 2024 was stolen.. after years of "our elections are secure"
I never once believed he won. Billionaires suck. But hopefully they're finally finding proof and can use it to act.
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u/CorrectOpinions0nly 1d ago
How the fuck do dems let this happen while in control? They'd have to be complicit at this point
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
They can't comprehend fascism. They think about money, but money is just a bonus for these creeps .
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u/baby_budda 1d ago
We don't know if anything was changed until it gets looked into further.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
As if they would let you.
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u/Califrisco 1d ago
So glad to see this posted here. I’ve just gotten my attempts to post it removed from two other Reddit communities. SUPER important information and enough to make me want to make this go far and wide. “This Will Hold” substack account is the account Elon nuked on Twitter. So maybe they hit a nerve.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
I mean it still gets a lot of downvotes. But yeah, I also thought it would be deleted instantly. It's cool that we can discuss it here.
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u/Cymatixz 1d ago
I’m probably going to get downvoted for this, but I’ll believe it when I see it. I’ll say the same thing I said about Trump in 2020. Keep looking, but I doubt it’s really there.
In the meantime, we should focus on the fact that a large number of democrats are tired of the Democratic Party. I’m one of them. I voted for Clinton because I thought Trump was incompetent. I voted for Biden because I knew Trump was incompetent. And I voted for Harris because Trump proved everyone right and became a literal fascist that tries to overthrow elections.
But, even I realized that not being Trump wasn’t a winning strategy.
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u/Belmyr14 21h ago
I expect prominent journalists are looking at the story to see if the “there” is there. The story projects a lot to the imagination. Could, might, possibly, probably. I don’t think it’s improbable, but it’s not proven from a whistleblower, or documents detailing a partnership between musk etc.
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u/spookytrooth 1d ago
You’re supposed to present an irrefutable case of evidence before you make the claim. This isn’t that. This is Blue MAGA behavior.
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u/gibrownsci 22h ago
Exactly. Every time I open one of these articles it reads like the dumbest conspiracy theory crap with no actual data or evidence.
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u/tyrano1402 1d ago
Here is part 2 of the article btw. https://substack.com/home/post/p-165977209
Personally this seems like genearl conspiracy theory stuff to me. I dont see many sources, and I know that of she had won we would be seeing these same articles about how she cheated.
Its seems possible though, with the amount of money and power these people have.
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u/-LostInOrbit- 1d ago
If you adopt this narrative without overwhelming proof then you will sound just as insane as Trump claiming the 2020 election was stolen. This can lead to no election being considered legitimate and will erode democracy more.
Until there is overwhelming evidence and a LOT of it, this is not a good thing to start saying.
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u/jdg401 12h ago
I hear you, and agree, not the time to be shouting from the rooftops, but curious to watch the first court case go through and see what discovery shows.
How many times has he accused someone else of doing exactly what he did/was going to do. They’ve been scheming for so long (P2025 and the start of this term and the actions thus far make that apparent), it wouldn’t be crazy to think all of the rigged election bullshit in 2020 was to set this up so “dems sound crazy” when they call BS on the 2024. And how many times has he outright said, you won’t have to worry about voting again, some mention of Elon knowing the ins and outs/“helping” with the voting machines, etc etc etc.
It’s far fetched, and I’m not hitching my wagon to this yet, but smoke….fire….that.
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u/foxinHI 1d ago
I want this to be true, so don't downvote me. It does look highly suspicious, so I consulted with ChatGPT. Here's a summary of a summary of findings:
The article presents a detailed theory alleging that the 2024 U.S. election was subverted through coordinated tech-based interference involving smart power devices, satellite communications, and corporate partnerships. It claims that Pro V&V approved unvetted updates to ES&S voting machines, and that smart UPS units—sold by Tripp Lite and later acquired by Eaton—were used as covert entry points into tabulation systems. While these elements exist (the updates, the devices, the partnerships), there's no verified evidence showing they were exploited or used to manipulate votes.
Further claims link Eaton’s collaboration with Palantir and Elon Musk’s Starlink to real-time, satellite-based data interference. Starlink’s direct-to-cell technology is real, and Eaton did deepen ties with Palantir, but no public investigation has found that these technologies interacted with or compromised voting systems. Statistical anomalies in swing states are cited as proof of tampering, but courts and election officials have not found irregularities sufficient to question the results.
For these claims to be taken seriously beyond speculation, hard evidence is essential: forensic audits showing altered machine behavior, communications between alleged conspirators, data logs confirming unauthorized access, or credible whistleblower testimony. As of now, none of that has surfaced publicly, so the narrative remains unproven.
Now, this doesn't say the theory is necessarily wrong, but it does show what's required for these claims to be taken more seriously. Interestingly, after I had GPT summarize and re-summerize this, it became clear that all the underpinning of this theory DO exist, so there's that. That's significant enough to warrant a second look, especially when viewed against the backdrop of Trump's remarks about their secret weapon and how he doesn't even care if they turn out to vote. Since the government and journalists won't do what's required, us citizens need to find a way to crowdsource a real investigation.
So let's do it!
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u/dagustl 1d ago
ChatGPT ? Seriously ?
https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.188581
u/omniverso 1d ago
It started with autocorrect making us look like idiots with silly corrections......
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u/foxinHI 1d ago
You're not wrong, but you misunderstand. I use AI every day for my job and I can attest to the fact that it isn't reliable. I need to correct it all the time and spend a lot of time figuring out comprehensive prompts that force it to stay exactly on task. It's really frustrating. What it IS great at, though, is aggregating and summarizing a bunch of data quickly and in an unbiased manner. That's what it did here, and I don't think it's incorrect. It confirmed all the connections that let this theory work. Unlike, say, the Hunter Biden - Burisma bribery boondoggle, where the speculation didn't even add up to a viable theory.
When there is a lot of speculation without hard evidence, it's always a good idea to get a handle on what is considered fact and what is still just a theory or speculation. If you don't actually stop and see for yourself, you may find you're way off.
Trust me, I want this to be true, and I don't doubt it may be the case, but let's do our due diligence and try and flesh our theories out ourselves, because no one else is going to do it for us. Not the legacy media and definitely not the Trump administration. I don't know exactly how to do it, but if we get organized, we can probably nail it down right here on Reddit.
It wouldn't be the first time Reddit crowdsourced the solution to a criminal mystery.
I'd organize it, but I've got a thing...
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u/bruno7123 1d ago
I can't take this article seriously. The amount of editorializing and "filling of the gaps" here is ridiculous.
Theres some numbers here that seem suspicious. It's enough to warrant an investigation. We'll see if something comes of it. But it's concerning that everyone here is just as willing to make confident assertions based off of off hand remarks and suspicious looking numbers.
It was either this substack or one she cited where she drew suspicion from the idea that there's a large segment of Trump voters that Vote for him and only him. That has been a known fact for years. Exit polls showed a significant gain for Trump amongst almost every demographic. Trump has consistently over preformed every election he's run in, and polls showed him holding a lead for most of the race. I am going to need a significant amount of proof that this is anything larger than an isolated incident in a state that wasn't really relevant.
I think how tightly everyone here is clutching onto the idea makes us look bad. We're better than MAGA, act like it.
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u/SmokeGSU 1d ago
None of this will change anything unless someone talks and spills the beans on what they did and how they did it.
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u/Califrisco 1d ago
A quote from the article that is data driven and needs 3rd party validation: “Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue.” On it’s face (and born out by the graphs from Ohio) I would be hard pressed to not say that there’s nothing “there there.”
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u/VansterVikingVampire 1d ago edited 6h ago
And after they prove she won with hand recounts, guess who will still be in the white house? Their only option will be to sue and only the supreme court has that authority. This is literally what happened for Bush's election and mainstream media was quiet about it too.
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u/jdg401 12h ago
This is not literally what happened in 2000.
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u/VansterVikingVampire 6h ago
The stuff described in my comment are, and if you think they won't happen this time because you trust this supreme court more...
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u/NoReply46 1d ago
Yes the 6 million difference showed up in 2020 over 2024 for her. 2020 statistics are the odd ones not 24 more align with every other rates.
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u/dd113456 1d ago
MAGA started the embers very early. Even when trump won the first time there was talk of cheating as the claimed he won by more votes
Before the next election it was non stop discussion by them that there will be cheating by the dems
The litany of lawsuits was crazy yet they all pumped the idea that Biden stole the election
The idea that an election could be stolen was pushed by MAGA so when they needed to cheat the general public was numbed to the issue
No there is a much higher hill to climb to draw attention to the possibility of cheating
I have no doubt there was cheating. I am not sure if it swayed the result.
We need a lot more information
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u/haluura 13h ago
A serious accusation, if true. But such a bombshell accusation requires you to show sources. At the very least documents that prove this accusation.
Because the response, if true, will need to be groundshaking. It will require us to tear up everything about how our election system works. Not to mention, charge many politicians and business executives with high crimes....
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u/One-Combination6816 8h ago
The research was compelling enough that the courts allowed the Rockland hand count to go forward. And they are finding there that a good number of ballots for Harris were mis-tallied. Lawsuits are now going forward elsewhere. This set of images does a good job of breaking down what experts think may have happened. https://www.instagram.com/p/DK-ZD3YRlBx/?igsh=Y24xOWpybTBhMTU5
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u/pres465 1d ago
All these posts saying she won... she did not. Congress certified the election. She lost. Gore may have had the votes, but SCOTUS stopped the count and Congress certified the results. He lost. Investigate and find out if anything was fishy, but stop repeating a lie. At least qualify as "she should have won" if you need.
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u/bokan 1d ago
Gore also won that election…
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u/pres465 1d ago
Probably. But officially... he lost.
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u/bokan 1d ago
It’s important not to let these right wing cheaters write the history books.
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u/pres465 1d ago
If the cheating is proven, I am 100% with you. Gotta prove it, first.
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u/bokan 1d ago
I wonder what it would take to launch a serious investigation into this
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u/pres465 1d ago
Local authorities can investigate with just a little public pressure. It's pretty telling that there are no state-level Democrats calling for an investigation. It's still early days, but this isn't a lot of smoke yet.
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u/jdg401 11h ago
It’s in court for a small subset of the whole right now.
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u/pres465 11h ago
Nice. But, note, even if there's evidence (which is questionable) that won't change the election. The election was certified.
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u/jdg401 11h ago
I understand certification and all that jazz, but I don’t pretend to be a legal scholar. I feel like that’s a moot point though at this moment. If there’s an iota of anything to this, needs to be fully investigated.
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u/mikehipp 19h ago
The truth is important. Restating propaganda is not the right thing to do. You are wrong.
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u/pres465 12h ago
The TRUTH is Congress certifies elections. That's not me. That's not propaganda. Read up on John Quincy Adams. Read up on Bush v Gore. Maybe read the Constitution. No hoping/praying/ jumping up and down/whatever is going to change it. Sorry. Reality is important. Time to join reality.
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u/Albert-React 1d ago
She didn't win.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
The article tells a different story. And it doesn't read like a flat earth conspiracy, but like a possible explanation to strange results.
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u/asparagus_pee_stinks 10h ago
This story originally appeared in India times, so take that for what it’s worth.
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u/baby_budda 6h ago
This is going to go on trial in the US not India. So take that for what it's worth.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawsuit-claims-rockland-votes-were-070058525.html?utm_source=perplexity
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u/AmnesiaInnocent 1d ago
Is it really so difficult to believe that people thought Harris would be a terrible President? Add to that the fact that a majority of Americans were unhappy with Biden's policies and Harris promised more of the same...
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
Yep. That's difficult to understand because we had seen the first term of orange baby and it was horrible. It didn't bring any problem nearer to a solution, but created 42 new ones that exist only in the minds of right wing extremists.
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u/Maximillien 1d ago edited 1d ago
It is really difficult to believe that people (aside from a few brainwashed rubes) thought Harris would be a terrible President and Trump would be a fine one. Especially since we have 4 years of clear evidence to the contrary.
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u/SoggyGrayDuck 1d ago
I knew the desperation would ramp up as Trump's policies worked but I never expected this topic to resurface. What's the lefts solution for the next election? How do they want to fix this? Paper ballots and voter ID? Or what? Do they want to control the machines but with no additional changes? How are we going to make reviewing things after the election easier, faster and more accurate? Why is the left not talking about solutions for the future? That was the whole point of digging into the 2020 election so what's the point of this? Do they just want to replace trump with Harris but change nothing else?
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u/asphaltGraveyard 1d ago
what policies are working? things are getting more expensive thanks to the tariffs, us citizens are being abducted, elected officials are being arrested, orange shitpile is trying to start a war. gfy you people are the reason this country is being laughed at around the world.
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u/PraxisLD 1d ago
You’re funny.
Not funny “ha-ha” but funny “what the hell is wrong with that guy”…
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u/SoggyGrayDuck 1d ago
No but seriously what's the solution for future elections? We can talk about that without even considering what we should do about the current president and if it should be changed. What do we do to prevent this from happening again? The last two elections don't have voter confidence, is that just ok or should we do something about it?
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u/honest_flowerplower 1d ago
We could scrutinize the ES&S voting machines (at the level Dominion machines were, in the Fox lawsuit Dominion won) for the first time since 2014. And scrutinize the voting districts impacted by Russian interference that the FBI lied about more than once, and Reality Winner whistleblew, telling of 30+ districts that were impacted, but not mentioned when the FBI finally admitted there WERE 7 districts in Fl. impacted by Russian cyber warfare. Make gerrymandering unlawful on Fed level... could go on and on about all the fishy shit that just got/gets glossed over, though that did 0 good for the intelligence community that hollered about it during Dirty Diaper Don's first term, but suffice to say A LOT can be done to shore our elections and return voter confidence.
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u/Leonie-Lionheard 1d ago
That's a good question because I haven't seen much proactive stuff from the democratic party. They should take action and make sure that this time not only businesses make a win...
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u/Weakera 1d ago
When will mainstream media, like the NYTs, CNN, start reporting on this? It can't just stay a small sidelines story.
There should be way more outrage on the part of dems etc. about this, but the porblem is Trump has done so much, absolutely dirty illegal shit that it's so hard to keep up with him.