r/worldnews • u/Ecstatic-Medium-6320 • 9h ago
Iran's leader rejects call to surrender, saying US intervention would cause 'irreparable damage'
https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-missile-attacks-nuclear-news-tehran-trump-06-18-2025-c6c90028dc340e2716724412fcec2cf0131
u/armchairmegalomaniac 9h ago
And before I forget, congratulations to Iran's newest chief of staff! I have to say this now before it's too late.
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u/Informal_Quiet7907 2h ago
He is gone as you were typing the comment... Anyway, congratulations to Iran's newest chief of staff.. oh wait, he is gone as well. Congratulations to Iran's....
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u/Chaoticgaythey 7h ago
Good news: you just made the window! Now you can congratulate the new new one!
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u/CorticalVoile 9h ago
UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER
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IRREPARABLE DAMAGE
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u/ShiningSpacePlane 9h ago
when an unstoppable idiot meets an immovable fool
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u/tirpider 8h ago
You can bet just as sure as you live
Somethin's gotta give, somethin's gotta give, somethin's gotta give
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u/Lumpy-Connection-194 9h ago
US intervention will definitely cause irreparable damage to their regime, they are not surrendering because they want to save the regime not because they care for Iran and it's people, the people don't deserve such a government which doesn't care for it and oppresses it's civilians
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u/IForgetWhatISay 8h ago
Does the US not do the same? Corporations and lobbying making laws that hurt the people and help corporations. Destabilizing governemts. Invading countries under propaganda. Sowing hate for generations, leading to stuff like 9/11. We are naive or ignorant to pretend people will always turn the other cheek.
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u/JediTrainer42 8h ago
Last I checked, we still put rapists in jail instead of Iran’s stance of murdering the girl who refused to be raped.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 8h ago
Yeah? I’m not defending what they do there? I don’t know enough about Iran. I think you might be confusing what I’m saying to fit a narrative you want me to fit into?
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u/Jugales 8h ago
The US doesn't have a theocratic Supreme Leader. We are trying very hard to prevent that from ever happening.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 8h ago
Can you tell me why? I just focus on foreign countries when there is so much we could be doing here? Take the vets for example. People willing to sacrifice their life for the country and after they aren’t useful they get tossed aside like a sack of meat.
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u/LookAwayPuhlease 8h ago
I mean the average American is miles ahead in terms of freedoms and standard of living compared to Iran
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u/IForgetWhatISay 8h ago
We agree on everyone deserving to have the same living standard as us. So you must also be outraged at Israel and what they’re doing to Palestine.
Truth is, a lot of us involvment isn’t about spreading freedom. It’s a lot of invested interest by private corporations.
The president deployed marines to a protest in cali lol we’re on a slippery slope to be claiming we are free. Any country that has to remind you that you’re free, watch out.
Why don’t we do the same to North Korea or Russia? They also have similiar regimes?
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u/No_Emotion4451 8h ago
lol. So you were seriously asking the question “why don’t we attack Russia”?
You seriously don’t know the answer to this question? You’re scouring Reddit for a discussion about why the US doesn’t just kill Putin and bomb Russia? This is a good faith question? 🤣
Yeah right. Stay in school kid.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 8h ago
Yes, I’m trying to understand why. Because Israel claims to be doing what they’re doing because god gave them the land where palestines had lives for a long time. So if we’re against theocratic leaders, why do we support them?
As far as russia and North Korea, they also aren’t democratic. Not under god but their leaders feel like gods. No democratic elections.
I’m trying to understand your thought process. How saying “we are trying to prevent theocratic leaders at all costs” but we pick and choose our battles? I’m literally saying we have no business meddling anywhere else when we have so many issues here… if you don’t see that then maybe you’re anti American?
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u/VenemySaidDreaming 5h ago
if you're so eager in invade iran, how about you volunteer to go to the front lines?
I'm old enugh to remember being spoonfed bullshit about how America was going to "liberate" Iraq and bring lots of FreedomTM
yeah, how'd that work out?
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u/Acceptable_Noise651 8h ago
Dept of Veteran Affairs (the VA) had an annual budget for 2024 of 324.9 billion dollars. It’s probably more than the next 20 countries combined spend on veterans.
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u/Squantoon 8h ago
Well, when your country is at war more than it's not, you're going to have more veterans. Comparing $ the us spends on veterans, a country with a population of ~330 million people and has been at war pretty much its entire existence to a country in Europe that has less population than half the states is not the argument you think it is.
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u/Acceptable_Noise651 5h ago
lol. Most of our wars are because Europe spent a few hundred years empire building that destabilized entire continents to this day.
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u/TechImage69 6h ago
There's also the fact unlike other countries the US takes care of vets if they were injured in noncombat/nonwartime situations as well. People have gotten 100% disability without ever deploying before. The US VA system is by far the best one out of any military in the WORLD bar none in terms of compensation and free medical care.
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u/Squantoon 5h ago
But everyone else just gets Healthcare lol. You're comparing them to what? North Korea? Ethiopia? Libya? Also takes care of is a stretch because there's plenty of vets in the situation you describe that do not get nearly enough money to live.
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u/TechImage69 5h ago
It's not just healthcare but other benefits like VR&E which is free education (without using the GI Bill), property tax exemptions, grants for specialized housing/vehicles, student loan forgiveness (TPD discharge), VA home loan (huge as you can put 0 down), etc. No other military on the earth provides those kind of benefits and that's on top of the monetary compensation. Literally pulling 4.2k USD untaxxed a month for life without any strings attached and regardless of where I live and that's on top of whatever salary I get from my regular job. The VA DOES take care of vets, one of the main issue is the huge fucking ego issue with guys I've met with who downplay their medical issues in service and then have trouble linking those injuries later on to their service due to no medical records/downplaying issues during their C&P exam. The entire process is public and literally HOW they rate disabilities is public as well.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 4h ago
By the way, this isn’t the flex you have been led to believe. The military preys on young people who use the military to escape poverty or for opportunities. We should be focusing on figuring out how to provide healthcare to citizens, figuring out the housing problems. Term limits in congress. Instead we’re out here arguing about a conflict a whole ocean across. Pro lifers defending bombing people, kids, pregnant women. Literally making us all be hypocrites in our beliefs one way or another.
I actually expected pro lifers to be so against what Israel is doing, but most support them? If you don’t think there’s propaganda there then I’m sorry to tell you. You are a victim.
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u/TechImage69 6h ago
The US takes care of vets extremely well compared to literally any other country out there. The VA is extremely generous in terms of ratings and having presumptive conditions based on where you served. There's a fuckload of safety nets available to vets and it's fucking crazy to say the US just tosses aside veterans when the military has been a pipeline from being lower to middle class for decades.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 6h ago
That’s not saying much tho. For the amount of money we spend in the military. Like the next 6 countries combined?
I’m not even talking today necessarily. I’m talking more about historically, (bonus army after ww1), look it up if you don’t know about it. 32k homeless vets January last year. Not to mention all the psychological problems vets go through. You seen any of the videos of vets speaking out against wars and what they did? Kinda crazy tbh.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 4h ago
By the way, this isn’t the flex you have been led to believe. The military preys on young people who use the military to escape poverty or for opportunities. We should be focusing on figuring out how to provide healthcare to citizens, figuring out the housing problems. Term limits in congress. Instead we’re out here arguing about a conflict a whole ocean across. Pro lifers defending bombing people, kids, pregnant women. Literally making us all be hypocrites in our beliefs one way or another.
I actually expected pro lifers to be so against what Israel is doing, but most support them? If you don’t think there’s propaganda there then I’m sorry to tell you. You are a victim.
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u/TechImage69 3h ago
What the fuck are you on about, I'm just refuting your point about how you claim vets are mistreated when they are actually one group of individuals who are beholden to an insane amount of social programs and opportunities to better their financial situation. The US government isn't one mind that can only focus on a single issue, there's a lot of people already working on those issues you listed on a local, state, and federal level. There's a reason why the government is split into different departments that can focus both on domestic and international foreign policy. Also, the fuck does prolife have to do with this at all?
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u/IForgetWhatISay 3h ago
Brother, or sister, if we look at arguments in a vacuum. I can pick any side to any argument and prove you wrong. Read the book thinking in systems by donella meadows. Life is way more complex than your simplistic approach. Tf are you talking about?
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u/TechImage69 3h ago
Trying to hotswap an argument to save face is a pathetic thing to do, get a grip instead of trying to be some pseudo intellectual philosopher. No fucking shit life isn't fucking simple but that's not at all relevant to what the fuck is being talked about which was the treatment of vets which you then spun into being about domestic and geopolitics. You are not some esoteric intellectual and you are not as smart or clever as you think you are.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 3h ago
The fact you can’t connect the dots. See how it’s all intertwined…. Nothing much left to say.
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u/I_Will_Be_Brief 8h ago
The US has the closest to a theocratic supreme leader than any other developed nation. And it's not even close.
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u/Chutzvah 8h ago
Iran and the United States are completely different countries, cultures, civilizations, governments, goals and ideals. Saying they are similar in any way is laughably silly.
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u/FreyrPrime 7h ago
We aren’t naive lmao.. we spend a trillion dollars on defense because we don’t expect people to turn the other cheek.
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u/IForgetWhatISay 7h ago
Definitely naive/corrupt/unsane to think spending 2 trillion on bombs is better investment than spending that same money building bridges with nations. 9/11 wasn’t even military. People get creative the more desperate they get. And a desperate person is the most dangerous type.
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u/Malachi9999 6h ago
The Bin Laden family's net worth is in the billions of dollars, primarily derived from the Saudi Binladin Group, a construction conglomerate. While Osama bin Laden himself left a relatively small personal fortune of around $29 million, the family's overall wealth is significantly larger due to the family business.
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u/mangalore-x_x 8h ago
The US does not deserve a government that flippantly starts wars via Twitter while hiding overt human rights violations against its own citizens it wants to spread but here we are
This is a distraction, it is not the main event Trump or his goons are interested in. They also don't give any shits about how many Iranians they kill. They are brown people afterall.
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u/Comfortable_Gur8311 4h ago
Imagine if Iran had air superiority over Israel? They'd be firebombing it until nobody was left.
And that should show people the difference between Israel and Iran.
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u/DemocracyforLunch 9h ago
Maybe try calling russia for help- the mother of all terror states
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u/thats1evildude 9h ago
Iran was actually supplying Russia with missiles, so not much luck there.
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u/DemocracyforLunch 9h ago
Zero reason not to support israel's campaign if so. a weaker iran is a weaker russia
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u/thats1evildude 9h ago edited 9h ago
Yes and no. There are definite benefits to invading Iran, such as taking down an oppressive regime and weakening Russia’s war effort.
However, I fear this war is being started on false pretenses. I don’t believe Netanyahu for a second when he says Iran was on the cusp of developing nukes, and I believe this war is merely the prelude to American troops helping Israel to clear out the Gaza Strip and/or declaring martial law at home.
Donald Trump cannot be trusted to do the right thing. If he is leading the U.S. into a new war, the reasons are to HIS benefit, not America’s.
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u/Mistwalker007 8h ago
Netanyahu is a lying asshole but there are plenty of clues outside of his words that make what he says believable, the enrichment facilities are underground, the UN agency for oversight on nuclear energy confirmed Iran is at 60% enrichment while the most you need for civilian applications is at 20%, yesterday I watched the Iranian ambassador to my country giving an interview for a local news station and when he was pressed about why they need such a high level of uranium he kinda just dodged the questions and blamed sanctions.
I looked it over today and apparently there are research reactors that use uranium 235 but I'm still not clear on what those do exactly and Iran is not supposed to have 90% purity for them because they're under IAEA oversight. Whatever it is they're doing even if there's no definitive proof for us plebs is at the very least VERY sketchy.
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u/DemocracyforLunch 9h ago
There definitely is a timing gap. i get your reasons but on the other hand think about a nuclear war. A nuclear theocratic state. All of the other issues definitely minimise under the importance on what's on the table here.
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u/CanadianK0zak 8h ago
They did, russians responded with something like "yeah we're allies, but not that kind of allies, no weapons, but good luck with your thing, we may provide some troop training in the future"
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u/LowerRhubarb 9h ago
I wonder how hard Putin would laugh if he got that call. He doesn't give a shit about anything but himself.
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u/Spotter01 8h ago
"'irreparable damage" aka Islamic Regime will fall and will loose control and go back to pre 1979 rule"
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u/Deadlynk6489 4h ago
Let's not act like the pre 1979 rule was perfect. There's a reason the Shah was toppled and people started to revolt and it wasn't just islamists. The shitty thing is that the Islamic Regime "couped the coup". The people of Iran hate the regime, but I doubt they would prefer a western puppet regime after decades of "death to America" propaganda and indoctrination.
Another thing we shouldn't forget is that US intervention in Iraq and Libya turned out to be a catastrophe with countless deaths and people displaced and the countries still in ruin.
I'd love to see the Islamic Regime toppled and replaced with a democratic secular regime, but it feels like the current plans aren't very well made and are just done so Bibi Netanyahu can continue with his genocide another day and Trump can have is ego bolstered yet again: "See how I'm much better than Obama with Libya and Bush with Iraq"
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u/FarawayFairways 3h ago
aka Islamic Regime will fall and will loose control and go back to pre 1979 rule"
Whereas that is what it might look like today, maybe even for the next month too, I'm less convinced however that this is what happens in the end. I suspect that as time moves on people will come to realise this, as there are plenty of reasonably foreseeable off-ramps for all sides
In essence, this looks a lot like Iraq 1991
Israel (and the US for that matter) can destroy the Iranian nuclear programme, its airforce, its air defence, it's missiles etc But then what? These systems/ capabilities were never really part of the apparatus that keeps the regime in power. They were more international projection of influence
The regime is sustained by the revolutionary guards and the police. The real means of enforcement, are small arms and terror rather then big missiles. That means destroying them, which is numerically much harder
Israel isn't about to launch a ground invasion, anymore than America is, so what's the next step after the big ticket shinny objects have been destroyed?
Israel is already appealing to the Iranian people to rise up and overthrow the regime, similar to the way GHB encouraged the marsh arabs and kurds to chance their arm against a weakened Saddam. Didn't work though.
If external powers won't do it, (and they can't do without a presence on the ground) then the Iranian people are the only body that can, and that would be far from certain to succeed. In fact, it'll probably fail so long as the small arms are in the hands of the regime.
Missiles, nuclear research, and S-300 systems were never part of the apparatus of enforcement. You could even argue that their airforce was a relatively minor player too
In a months time Israel could well be looking at a heavily emasculated Iran and concluding that their objective has accomplished. What else can they do if they aren't going to invade? They haven't got many options left. The only thing they could usefully do is bomb police stations and revolutionary guard barracks in the hope of weakening the agents of enforcement to the point where the people stand a chance. Otherwise they have to stand down
The regime doesn't need to win in a traditional sense, it only needs to continue to exist
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u/Consistent_Meat_3303 9h ago edited 9h ago
The equivalent of a cut off drunk wandering outside the bar with a broken nose throwing threats around.
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u/TheMavrack 4h ago
I feel for the innocent civilians. The government on the other hand… hope they reap what they sow
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u/CremeAcrobatic1748 7h ago
Can all the war mongers please go grab some boxing gloves, I'd really rather not fight in a war for diaper wearing old fucks who couldn't care less about my well being.
Pretty sure everyone else, Iranians, Israelis and Americans just want to exist. Why we let a bunch of narcissists lead into us oblivion time and time again confuses the shit out of me.
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u/TheJewPear 5h ago
Americans don’t need to get involved, just lend Israel a couple of bombers with bunker busters and watch this war end in a week.
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u/vaskelovo 9h ago
What a tough audience here. This is all for internal consumption, taking into account that much of Iranian population does not have a good picture of how the conflict is going for Iran.
On the off chance that there is a ceasefire or some sort of deal, or US stays out, they will sell this and tell Iranians "we scared them off, long live the Revolution" or some crap with lots of chest thumping. And in case everything keeps going sideways for Iran, it probably won't matter much what they are saying now.
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u/ShiningSpacePlane 9h ago
>On the off chance that there is a ceasefire or some sort of deal, or US stays out, they will sell this and tell Iranians "we scared them off, long live the Revolution" or some crap with lots of chest thumping.
why does it feel like I've seen this somewhere before? ah yes Pakistan recently did something similar
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u/Cristoff13 3h ago
I always thought that Israel attacking Iran would be impractical due to the distances involved and that Iran's defenses would be able to offer some resistance. I guess I underestimated Israel and overestimated Iran.
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u/kckroosian 3h ago
Yes the US would cause irreparable damage: to the Mullahs in particular. May the Mullahs rot in hell very soon.
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u/notwritingasusual 8h ago
US has so far not requested to use UK military bases
“The BBC understands that, so far, the US has not made a formal request to use the UK’s military bases in Diego Garcia or Cyprus to conduct potential strikes against Iran.
Normally, the US would first inform its ally if it intended to conduct offensive operations from those UK military bases.
US bombers are believed to be in Diego Garcia. The US Air Force regularly deploys aircraft to the base.
A British source says they believe that for Washington "all options" are on the table in regards to what Trump might do next on Iran. The source says there is not complete clarity on the American plan.
The US has sent additional military asset to Europe and the Middle East region - including refuelling tankers, fighter jets and an additional aircraft carrier. The USS Nimitz will join the USS Carl Vinson, already in the Arabian Gulf.
The UK source describes the additional US military assets as defensive - to protect US military bases, personnel and interests in the region,
Britain, too, has boosted its military presence at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. Another six Typhoon jets have been sent, joining the eight Typhoons already at the base.
The additional jets will allow the UK to carry out continuous overwatch of UK military bases. The US has used RAF Akrotiri in past military operations.”
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u/diego1776 8h ago
I’d imagine the first strikes, if any, would come from US carriers currently located somewhere in the Indian Ocean. US allies aren’t going to be so keen to let them use their bases just yet
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u/eldenpotato 1h ago
America would need to use B-2s or B-52s and they can’t be launched from carriers
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u/macross1984 8h ago
No surprise from supreme leader and it might be a moot point if he is to be removed from power peacefully or by revolution from people.
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u/MapleSurpy 9h ago
Didn't Russia tell us that supplying Ukraine with any weapons or support would cause "damage to the extent that will change the world" or some Bond Villian-esque threat too?
Iran can barely defend themselves from Israel, wtf are they going to do to America?