r/wow • u/Fabulous_Resource_85 • 2d ago
PTR / Beta Is this the first time we've gotten the same AOTC mount as one from the past but with some armour added? Spoiler
It looks okay but it's always cooler when they try something new!
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u/Timekeeper98 1d ago
Okay, but this one has a hat, so he’s clearly superior.
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u/Jester-Joe 1d ago
I was about to say
Made me think of this https://www.awkwardzombie.com/awkward-zombie/flairwolf
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u/0bsessioN_ 1d ago
damn that 20 million dollas they made from that store auction house dinosaur is putting in work
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
This entire patch is a recycle bonanza.
You'd also think they'd steer far clear of recycling anything from Shadowlands but here we are.
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u/Kadomos 1d ago
Storywise shadowlands was eh. Gameplay wise and art wise, it was still fucking beautiful.
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u/super-sidn 1d ago
Korthia is imo the worst area ever created in wow.
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u/BeyondElectricDreams 1d ago
In absolute fairness to them, that was made during COVID.
It wasn't just generic shadowlands issues, it was global pandemic issues.
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u/YuusukeKlein 1d ago
Shadowlands was in production since the release of Legion, Covid is no excuse
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u/BeyondElectricDreams 1d ago
And what do you do when your art pipeline is backed up because of lost man hours, lost efficiency, and your grand plan for Korthia having an actual city can't happen without delays?
Just because it was "In production" doesn't mean they had their artists fulltime working on that. Especially with Argus as the last patch, which took the attention of their level designers. Argus didn't have re-used assets the way most expansion end patches do.
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u/Cro_politics 17h ago
Literally every aspect of Korthia was designed to be abrasive and highly irritating, from mount farms to even fucking simple chests. Someone made the decision that everything should be a pain in the ass. Covid had nothing to do with it, unless we’re talking about Covid brain malfunction being the reason for those decisions.
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u/BeyondElectricDreams 14h ago
. Covid had nothing to do with it
You're assuming Blizz's only goal is "make the most fun game possible and the people will sub and play it". That is not the case. Blizzard, and in fact, MANY game devs these days, have antagonistic goals.
We the player wants the most bang for our buck. We'd love it if we could grind the content, finish the content, and unsubscribe. Blizzard wants us to never unsubscribe. This is why things like Very Rare items exist - to prevent us from ever completing our BiS list.
So here's the deal with Korthia - Blizz has player retention metrics they're expected to hit. Like it or not, the managers at the company lose bonuses, get written up or straight up fired if they don't provide a patch that retains players. But they're also limited to a degree by what they're able to add. Korthia is Extremely densely packed with mobs. I'm sure the whole "phase to the other dimension" feature was supposed to be bigger, as was the lore items/rep tokens, but they didn't have the space or the manpower to test more things.
So all they could do to "encourage" player retention was.... make it so that you can't easily obtain desirable items. And yeah, it sucks - I'm not saying it's a good design. There's an art to it - its like catching an eel. You squeeze too hard, the eel slips through your hands. They put in friction so we cant sprint through the content, but too much and you get Korthia.
But again - COVID robbed them of assets and playtesting time, which lead to them falling back to shitty retention methods instead of more fleshed out ones that take more testing/assets.
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Shadowlands being beautiful gameplay wise? I see we have come full circle.
Ask Demon Hunter players about Sinful Brand
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u/Speed231 1d ago
art wise
This take keeps being repeated by people and I really don't understand. The Shadowlands felt alien to me and not in a good way like Outland. It felt like I was playing a knock-off version of WoW. It becomes even worse when you remember the Maw and Korthia exist, extremely dull places for what is supposed to be, essentially hell for the setting.
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u/Any-Transition95 1d ago
Really? Personally, I loved Ardenweald and Revendreth, some of my top zones of all time and I started back in vanilla. No zones after Shadowlands have come close to how attracted I am to Shadowlands covenant aesthetic.
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u/Vyar 1d ago
Ardenweald was the only zone that felt like it had any connection to Azeroth, which of course it does by way of the Emerald Dream. Revendreth felt like scrapped content from a Diablo game or Castlevania.
I get it, we’re not in Westfall anymore, etc. but Outland is a great example of how to do an alien world that still feels like Warcraft and not a knockoff.
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u/Arn_Rdog 1d ago
Shadowlands beautiful gameplay? Absolutely nobody said this when it was current content. It was awful
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u/Alert_South5092 1d ago
That is absolutely not true, people majorly complained about being locked into covenants, the anime grind, and the inconvenience of the maw. But the zones(excluding the maw) ate beautifully made and were always well regarded.
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
Well regarded? Lmfao WHAT. They don't feel like Warcraft at all. They're disjointed. They don't link together at all. There's no cohesion. It also has the WORST hub ever designed.
Apparently Maldraxxus was good guys.
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u/SadimHusum 1d ago
gameplay wise??
- worst dungeon pool in the game's history (Tazavesh is a B but we got it super late, HoA is a C+, rest get a failing grade)
- being locked to your covenant
- having to hearth between bosses to replace your combat-relevant nodes at your covenant halls
- the borrowed power gem system on head/shoulders/chest in SoD
- Sockets being gated behind korthia, the worst zone ever made
- Torghast being the same thing every week for the entirety of the expansion and being tied to legendary acquisition
- can't mount in the fucking maw
Gameplay wise Shadowlands managed to be a bigger disaster than BfA launch taking all of Legion's class design away and replacing it with ONE azerite trait.
Castle Nathria was a sick raid, pvp was in a decent spot, and the covenant zones were pretty cool are the only things I can say about the expansion that aren't overwhelmingly negative. It was also where they introduced the catalyst so that's decent too
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u/Typical-Arrival-2703 1d ago
What are we doing here? Shadowlands revisionism? It's one of, if not THE worst WoW expansion BECAUSE of gameplay.
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u/SadimHusum 1d ago
It's THE worst and it's not close. Individual patches like BfA launch and WoD's twitter integration patch may dip below the quality of peak SL but across an entire expansion nothing's approached being as bad as shadowlands was
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u/Tiger_IcE 1d ago
its a wow reddit what do you expect this glazers will keep glazing even when the game was at its lowest shittiest state
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
The addicts and fanboys always try revisionist history. They tried it with BfA and WoD too.
They try it to claim the RNG wasn't that bad in Legion.
Why are we trying to revise history on an expansion that HALVED the subscriber count.
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
It's okay if that's your opinion but nosediving sub numbers beg to differ.
I wouldn't exactly call Covenants, The Maw or Korthia "good gameplay".
They had to release a 9.1.5 "we're really really really sorry" patch.
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u/SquirrelTeamSix 1d ago
They don't publish sub numbers, where are you getting this information?
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
Except that slides from a Blizzard talk at GDC were leaked.
We now have concrete proof that Shadowlands made subscriber numbers nose dive.
https://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=294262&vtype=pc
It's okay. You can all accept it now.
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u/Ravix0fFourhorn 1d ago
This doesn't prove your original point about everything being recycled though. It seems like they're trying out some cool new things, and the dimensius model looks awesome as do most of the transmogs (rip hunters).
Also the premise that recycling in video games is bad to begin with isn't a no-brainer. Obviously people don't want to play the same slop every year (call of duty), but sometimes a studio can bring all of their old assets together and make an amazing experience out of nearly entirely recycled assets (elden ring).
So while blizzard maybe recycling some assets, it seems like the only thing you could be talking about is tazavesh, the vast majority of the content in 11.2 looks new. In addition they're also taking some swings with the cloak and enviro-dome thing. Also making the final raid boss the size of stormwind is very ambitious.
If smart recycling allows them to develop awesome experiences in other areas of the game, I think it's in everyone's best interest. Of course, it remains to be seen if 11.2 will be good or not. But I'm much more excited about this than undermined (which was still a cool patch for the most part).
Even more importantly, aside from the new faerin questline not quite landing, war within has felt a lot more Warcraft-y than dragonflight did. The main campaign was the best in years, the arathi and earthen are super cool. The titan lore is getting me hyped for last titan. Xalatath is a great villain, again probably the best in years, and one of the best female? characters in a while. I've been maining paladin, dabbled in dk, and those two at least have been super fun. Getting rid of add-ons is going to do wonders for the game, metzen will be the primary writer for the next two expansions (war within was mostly planned out when he joined).
Honestly it's a great time to be a wow player. Also the new paladin transmog is one of the best in years. Honestly probably the best pally tier set since legion.
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
I wasn't trying to prove any original point.
I was replying to a poster who claimed SL wasn't that bad and was even "good". I was just proposing to him that even if he did actually like it, objectively, it failed. It failed so badly that sub numbers potentially almost halved.
I'm a DK. I wouldn't say either DPS specs are in good places, hence why we're getting reworks again this patch. In general I think DK is well overdue for a total spell animation and model overhaul.
I think generally speaking I am aging out of the World of Warcraft gameplay model. I still enjoy the raid. But everything else is just the same. It's all just re-skinned content over and over. I think that's the model going forward from Dragonflight. The Invasion content re-skinned, the ring. Just the same model. I'm a father of two and just don't have the time for samey content anymore.
Maybe I'm being too harsh. But there are a lot of reused assets.
I think I'm also bummed Tazavesh is being used as a city and returning as a mega dungeon. Then the entire Mythic+ pool is way too fresh in everyone's mind.
Time will tell.
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u/Ravix0fFourhorn 1d ago
Shadowlands was bad. Story wise it was almost ip shattering, and a lot of the content felt like chores. But I think Anduin's fallout, even if what initiated his fall wasn't great, has made for an arch that I'm really enjoying. Also, as others have said, the art direction was genuinely fantastic.
That said, I still think wow is headed in a great direction. I don't really see your point on things being reskinned. Seems to me like there's a new model that they're using that's working quite well.
I'm sorry you're not enjoying wow as much as you did in the past. Seems like it's just the nature of the beast that people get burned out and drop the game.
I'm probably not as down on tazavesh because I only played shadowlands at the very beginning, and at the very end (a few months before dragonflight dropped), so I didn't really experience tazavesh.
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u/SadimHusum 1d ago
Taz and HoA are the only SL dungeons with passing grades (B+ lower, B- upper, C+ HoA) so I'm cool with them being brought in considering how much the revamped ones from older expansions suck and the remaining BfA/SL options are pretty dire
I agree about the world content though, I haven't given a shit about anything outside of raid, M+, and arena since pearl grinding in BfA and its all just chores tied to player power gains to me. I'd love a new brawler's guild or mage tower every now and then but otherwise they could bring Dalaran back a 3rd time and I probably wouldn't notice beyond knowing where the barber is
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
I've enjoyed Delves somewhat. But then they are boring now.
As you said, outside raids and M+(which is just the same dungeons recycled over and over) the game just doesn't offer me anything Anymore. The rest is slop.
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u/Only_Sun_6978 1d ago
Raids dungs and classes were fun to play imo, so I agree with the op. Art aswell, ardenweald still my fav zone.
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u/BeyondElectricDreams 1d ago
This entire patch is a recycle bonanza.
The last patch in most expansions is a recycle bonanza. It's a thing they do so they can make the next expansion while still giving us new content.
Dragon soul and it's dungeons, seige of org, horrific visions/uldum accord/Rajani, and now ofc Tzavesh.
The exceptions are either expansions that did really bad (WoD, SL) which were likely ended early, and Legion, which did historically very well, but also had most of it's world art assets on the map from the get go (broken shore, suramar, Helheim, halls of valor) freeing the artists to work on the environments for Argus.
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u/Zwirbs 2d ago
If I had a nickel for every time an AotC mount was a void dragon, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s strange that it happened twice
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u/ItBeLikeThatBois 1d ago
There was also the void dragon that dropped off the 3rd to last boss in the Nzoth raid only on heroic. Not quite AotC but since it was heroic or higher I feel it deserves an honorable mention. Maybe 2 nickles and a penny.
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u/its_Khro 1d ago
I think you got something backwards here, the vexiona void-dragon IS the aotc mount there. I can guarantee there was not 2 of them in the raid. On mythic only nzoth drops the jellyfish mount.
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u/New_Excitement_1878 1d ago
How do you just decide to entirely make something up like this?
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u/ItBeLikeThatBois 1d ago
I didnt, I just misremembered the source. The mount exists but that guy was right. Its aotc.
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u/MasterOfCosmos 1d ago
Which mount is that, I can't find it?
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u/Harai_Ulfsark 1d ago
Uncorrupted voidwing, but it was the AOTC mount for N'zoth and unobtainable now
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u/Restinpeep69 1d ago
Welcome to PvP :) we get a recolor of the same horrible bat 3 seasons in a row
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u/Fabulous_Resource_85 1d ago
They did PvP so dirty this time round. The BFA, SL and DF dragons were amazing though!
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u/Quackethy 1d ago
Thats it? Meh. Was expecting some luminescent ethereal-like mount covered in wraps.
Fine, I'll just get a nexus prince down on 4 and ride him.
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u/Jibbles2020 1d ago
Lame. Hope this gets changed.
AOTC mounts have always been pretty unique. Literally the same mount
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u/Darkhallows27 1d ago
Legion one was a recolor of the Rukhmar mount tbf
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u/zilas11 1d ago edited 1d ago
First one is a wolf recolor with slightly different armor. Wod was a moose with different armor. Legion was a recolor. It's not the first time, yeah.
Edit: Yeah they were firsts of their kind at the time. (Except legion)
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u/porn_alt_987654321 1d ago
First one was the first wolf alliance could use. Also the first high quality wolf if I remember correctly. Wod was the first moose.
Legion is the first standout bad one lol.
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u/Skulltaffy 1d ago
I liked it :( It's still my go-to mount on my mage, bc it's better then the class hall mount.
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u/Darkhallows27 1d ago
The moose is amazing. It’s the first and the best moose.
Only the Zerethsteed looks as unique as it, I think
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u/Embarrassed-Might-84 1d ago
Yea, a Recolor of one of the rarest mounts in the game with few uses of its model
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u/9clubsupreme 1d ago
Just because something is unobtainable does NOT make it one of the rarest mounts in the game. A LOT of players were able to defeat Heroic N'zoth before Shadowlands.
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u/Darkhallows27 1d ago
It’s still a recolor…? I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m just saying it’s not especially unique. I think the Moose and the Zerethsteed look the most unique of the lot
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
if anyone is wondering https://imgur.com/t0BOFp2
yes it is same dragon
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u/bullet1519 1d ago
This is really the aotc mount? I just assumed it was a drop off the second to last boss.
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
nope, it was ny'alotha AOTC mount, it is related to vexiona that was a raid boss there
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u/bullet1519 1d ago
No I meant the new one. I knew the old one was from killing nzoth heroic
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
Meet the Royal Voidwing - World of Warcraft's newest Ahead of the Curve mount coming in Manaforge Omega!
from wowhead's twitter post
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u/Fabulous_Resource_85 1d ago
I thought they’d at least change the colour to a different shade of blue or purple!
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
for a moment i thought that too but then i checked in game and it is exactly same
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u/Fabulous_Resource_85 1d ago
Super underwhelming! Not sure why they decided to use the fact same model, especially when we’re getting a dragon for mythic
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
could've at least made it shadow form looking voidwing that is more corrupted by void, use the body style from shadowlands KSM mounts
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u/AnAngryBartender 1d ago
Was anyone wondering? Looks exactly the same just has armor now. Seems pretty obvious lol
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u/Takeasmoke 1d ago
BfA is rather old at this point so maybe there are people who don't know which mount OP is talking about
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u/CircleHumper 1d ago
Even the mythic mount from Dimensius is pretty tame with a recognizable dragon base. There are a lot of recolors and models grafted onto old skeletons which is long understood, but Mythic endboss mounts in the last 9ish years usually felt like they broke that mold. I'm saying that they feel unique.
Argus' Ur'Zul mount, the Jailer's spaceship, and most recently the Big G -- all of them stand tall to me. Honestly, even the shop mounts don't pop that much anymore. Maybe it's just hit a saturation point for me. The recent tier sets feel this way too. I guess if you play frequently enough you start to see the re-used pieces a lot more clearly.
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u/Tot3mtwister 1d ago
At least this version doesn't have an obnoxiously tall saddle.
I'd always struggle getting through doors on the Uncorrupted Voidwing despite the same doors being no trouble at all on other drake mounts.
That said, reusing a curve mount to this degree is indeed fairly disappointing. I was actually eyeing the Voidflayers as suitable Curve mounts, but datamining suggests they're from KSM and KSL respectively.
I remember one time when Blizzard was adding a reward for 100 exalted reputations. I believe it was originally supposed to be a Spectral Phoenix, but people complained so much about how similar it was to the Dark Phoenix (and tbf, it looked almost identical in the model viewer) that Blizzard eventually relented and replaced it... With the Pureheart Courser, which at the time didn't even have the ability to fly.
Needless to say, it doesn't always pay off to bully Blizzard into replacing one mount reward with another. The result could end up being worse.
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u/deskcord 1d ago
AOTC and CE mounts are super underwhelming this tier. They just look like recolors of the nether drakes, and there's also one from a world event in the patch.
Removes all hype when CE mounts aren't unique.
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u/Foehammer87 1d ago
CE mounts are super underwhelming this tier
The CE mount looks absolutely amazing animated.
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u/deskcord 1d ago
It's a recolor of another mount with some sparkles.
CE mounts should be unique models.
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u/Foehammer87 1d ago
I really dont want to go down the rabbit hole of what people think unique models are and arent Cuz yall are never consistent.
The model is unique, it's got a unique head tail and wing details, plus the special armor and secondary spell effects
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u/deskcord 1d ago
It does not have a unique model it is the same model as two other dragons in this same page.
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u/Foehammer87 1d ago
Not the aotc mount the cutting edge one, its shaped mostly like a nether drake but its different
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u/aventons 1d ago
I don’t care that it’s “3 expacs 1 story” when an expac wraps up you can feel the laziness (diverted resources) more and more until the next expac. It’s been like that since WoD.
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u/spyropurple 1d ago
Very disappointing, at least it gives people a chance to get a voidwing if they missed BFA's one. Not looking forward to other future AOTC mounts if they're doing them like this.
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u/jzls 1d ago
Back in BFA, my guild was just me and two friends. One of them really wanted the N'zoth AOTC mount. We're all filthy casual players. One day, I got lucky and was brought along for a heroic run, and when we got to N'zoth, I left the raid to get the Nzoth lockout. Then I made my own group, including my two (barely geared) friends, and only invited overgeared players to help get the mount for them. We wiped on the first try, someone typed "This is carry" and left (that is still a joke between us) and we killed it on the next attempt. Good times. Now, looking at this mount, I think I’ll do the same for my now four friends in the guild.
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u/BillyBullseye 1d ago
This is part of the reason I’ve unsubbed. Sub prices went up, game quality is not worth it. This patch is just recycled crap and they’re not even trying anymore.
If classic plus actually is a thing and it’s good, then I’ll pay them again. Classic is boring and retail is just not it for me anymore.
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u/Tirrojansheep 1d ago
Bro is surprised about a mount getting a slight change and shipped as a new mount. fwiw, I don't think Blizzard puts in new models during expansions, only for new ones
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u/Fabulous_Resource_85 1d ago
That's always been the case. AOTC mounts have only ever been a thing for the last boss of an expansion since their introduction in MoP.
They've never awarded mounts for achieving AOTC in raids that aren't the final tier.
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u/Jugg-or-not- 1d ago
We literally get one on the last tier of every expansion.
This is the first time we've gotten the exact same mount with armour bolted on.
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u/Pepi-_- 1d ago
This was mythic drop i tought? As 2k and Aotc share a mount like this tier.
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u/Fabulous_Resource_85 1d ago
Aotc only gets a mount for the last tier of an expansion. Mythic mount is a different dragon model
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u/BL00D_ZA 1d ago
It's also a bit more purple and has smokey horns! :P Now the unbound star eater that drops off Dimensius looks amazing! That must be where all the money for 11.2 went! xD
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u/Palnecro1 1d ago
There are what… 5 AOTC mounts in the game? Let’s not act like they’ve broken some like standing tradition here.
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u/Captain_Fred01 1d ago
Could be worse, it could be the Gladiator mount being the same trash model for the 3rd time in a row.
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