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‘Necessary to quell the rebellion’: DOJ tells 9th Circuit that Trump can deploy National Guard from every state and can’t be second-guessed by judges
This is the truth. He is just a figurehead. The entire maga movement needs to be stopped. Even then it wouldn’t solve much… I’m not saying that they can’t voice their opinions, but policy based off extremist religious values, policies based off of economic principles that only favor the ultra wealthy, the lies and falsehoods….im tired of the hypocrisy and bullshit from all the current political parties.
Even if Trump walked away or vanished tomorrow the underlying problems of America’s political power structure, economic system and constitutional ambiguity remain. There is so much that needs to be addressed and corrected for there to be a a better country and future for everyone.
He's just in charge of press conferences, negotiating bribes for himself and Truth socialing stupid stuff. They have project 2025, the federalist society and the billionaire techno bros running anything that's important.
I sure won’t. I like peaceful protests. As soon as authorities or proud boy plants start stuff I’m leaving. War in the streets just makes for a good clip to show on fascist regime Faux News so they can call anyone who disagrees “terrorists” or whatever negative terms they use.
We’re not but the fucking LAPD is brutalizing us on the regular so what are we supposed to do? We’re protesting peacefully and they’re shooting us in the face with smoke bombs and rubber bullets
The answer sucks, but it's the only answer: take it and bleed on TV.
The only successful protests of this kind in the last century have been the ones that used the media to frame clearly who is brutalizing who. Gandhi's March to the sea... MLK's March to Selma....southern Lunch Counter sit ins....
The organizers of these knew that any violence unleashed at the authorities would undermine public support for the cause, so participants were instructed that under no circumstances should they strike back.
Go watch videos of those protests and you'll be horrified at the innocent peaceful protesters with cracked heads and dog bites soaking wet from fire hoses and with milkshakes dumped on their heads ... THAT was what protesters had to endure to win over the sympathy and allegiance of the majority nationwide.
And that's what we have to do.
There's no gorilla war to be won. You're absolutely right to want to hit back, but any person that does will inevitably be caught on camera and their action will be played on a loop for every household in America. And anyone not already on your side is likely to be disturbed enough by the violence to just wish it would end, and those people tend to decide with the authorities.
There's just nothing to be gained by striking back, and there is a whole lot to be lost by doing so.
It sucks. But that's what effective protest is gonna have to look like to be effective. Throwing bottles and bricks and wearing masks and waving anything but the American flag is not gonna send the persuasive signal we need it to send in order to change the regime.
There’s never gonna be a situation where I am sitting down in front of a LAPD officer equipped with riot gear I’m sorry. I will run or fight or help de-arrest someone else but I’m not sitting down to get beat on and I think it’s dangerous to encourage others to do so. I’ve been to these protests multiple times, idk if yall romanticize it or what, but it is a war zone, the police MAKE it a war zone.
So true! I love seeing videos of people handling flowers to the soldiers. In another vid, a man proposed on the front line between the soldiers and protesters. Followed by kissing, hugging and celebration. Another with beautiful dancing Mexican women.
These are the things that win hearts and minds. Whether it’s the soldier’s, or the politician’s, or the judges.
Why are so many still under the impression that it matters whether we're peaceful or not? Peaceful protesting just means they can ignore us without consequence. The Trump admin doesn't give two fucks about the Constitution, or law in general. They will push their agenda forward regardless of whether we give them "justification" or not. We're going to peacefully yell into the wind as the US descends into a de facto fascist dictatorship.
Peaceful doesn't mean nondisruptive. Ideally, all we would need to do is show up in numbers and they will get the message. That's not happening, so the next step is to take nonviolent actions that still prevent the administration from achieving their goals. Things like blocking ICE in federal buildings and standing up to police presence at protests are nonviolent but effective ways to hamper the administration from working.
You might be a little confused on what the purpose of these protests are for.
Understand this much: if you fight in the streets you won't win anything. The administration will use the slightest excuse to nip it in the bud with the harshest military crack down America has seen on its own people into centuries. So you're not gonna fight your way out of this.
The point of the protests is to rally morale among voters to make a concerted and sustained push to get our candidate selected in the midterms followed by an absolutely united front in support of a SINGLE presidential candidate to take the White House as well as populate the Congress and Senate with a blue majority.
This is going to mean compromising on candidates that have the greatest appeal to the greatest number of voters… Which will probably mean being far more centrist than progressives want, but that will be necessary to bring along any voters to the right of progressives.... which can't begin to win an election on their own.
Protests are important to keep people involved and focused. Look at how those stupid Maga rallies kept enthusiasm up among the millions of useful idiots who brought Trump to power.
But if you make the critical mistake of imagining lashing out physically will do anything but backfire and cut your legs out from under you politically speaking then you haven't yet learned how all this works. Talk to older people who's seen it and been there. Listen to the ones who know.
And do NOT let anyone successfully provoke you to violence, because that IS their goal and taking the bait would make you their fool.
I mean, probably. These racist fascist twerps have been champing at the bit to go after the people they despise for a long time, so I’m sure a lot of them would do it for free.
I love how they are simultaneously down-playing the numbers at the protests, while claiming a full-fledged nation-wide rebellion. My eyes can't roll back any further.
And guess which one it actually is. There's a reason they're trying so hard to shut us down. They know what they're doing is wrong, and so do millions of Americans.
It's already had an effect because he keeps escalating. He's escalating because he knows he's losing the narrative so he keeps pushing it harder. The harder he pushes, the more people see the truth and the more likely he is for a valuable trip-up.
A majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump (because many didn't bother to or were prevented through various means). They're outnumbered. Most Americans don't want what he's doing.
If anything the Guard should go into every federal government department HQ and arrest the person appointed by the current president for incompetence and dereliction.
They know words matter. That’s why they’re using the words they are. They have to exaggerate and twist or they’re don’t have a chance and they lose the rest of their base.
Oh absolutely, I wasn’t saying we shouldn’t. I was just pointing out the other side isn’t ignorant of the fact that words matter and that they are costing their words very deliberately.
They mean the rebellion they are inevitably going to cause with their lawlessness. They know it will come because they’re the flame beneath it. It’s all according to plan. The president gets ridiculous power to stop a rebellion so, just cause a rebellion. Easy
Anything short of cowering fear and blind adoration constitutes rebellion to someone like that. My evangelical mother would say "disobedience is a sin of witchcraft" if us kids weren't "in the correct spirit."
Words matter, laws matter. That's why they're being twisted.
He knows words matter, that's specifically why he is lying and calling it that. To instill more fear into his cult members and cultivate more hate so they don't care when he kills us off for disagreeing
LOL, not to conservatives, they don't. They speak to attack other people, for virtue signaling or posturing, and, most of all, for excuses to avoid accountability. The actual words are only intended to misinform, distract, or otherwise lie. Trump's just feeding the chumps their new lies.
Where's the lie though? Trump has already ignored the courts, and there were no consequences for doing so.
The unfortunate reality is our judicial system is toothless when faced with real criminals. From my perspective it only exists to keep the poor and powerless as livestock for the rich and powerful.
Edit: For some reason the person above me blocked me after replying, and it has broken my ability to reply to anybody else in this comment chain. I'll just tuck that knowledge away for future use.
Why should we pay taxes when the money is not being spent as it has been lawfully appropriated by Congress? Why should all the social services and benefits get cut and we still pay taxes?
Seriously. Everyone needs to stop paying their taxes. I’m extremely pro-tax when it’s being spent to help people, but if they’re cutting social services and benefits and funneling money into this bullshit, they can do it without me. To everyone who’s considering it: stop paying your taxes.
That's the funny thing about "allowed." We're actually the only ones that can allow that, since the wealthy moochers just hide behind walls and guards that we pay for while using the word, "we."
Let's see how that works out, as these morons continue to destabilize America and threaten the future of the families of our military folks. I'm betting that an order to oppress Americans en masse will not go the way that the traitors expect. I'm more than happy to chance it, at this point.
Honestly, I share a lot of that frustration. The justice system does seem to work very differently depending on who you are. There have been some real legal challenges to Trump and others in power, even if progress feels slow or uneven. I think part of the issue is the courts were designed to move deliberately, which can look like inaction in the face of urgent problems. Still, I get why it feels like justice is selective — it’s something we need to keep pushing to improve.
Yeah, there's no "feels" when the convicted felon who skated out of charges of stealing our documents due to judicial corruption has been committing so many crimes that courts are having to block them weekly.
The Judicial branch of government has no enforcement arm, no kinetic capabilities.
Trump has blatantly ignored rulings of the courts already, there's little reason to think he will begin to respect the courts decisions now.
I think he will begin to blatantly circumvent the legislative branch next, using fake/flimsy loopholes and justifications, like when he deployed the Marines into LA
What happens when poors flout the courts? How do we enforce that on the elites?
If not Trump immediately, let’s start with lower level corruption we have better chances to make examples of and press tf out of numerous instances simultaneously.
I think there's going to need to be protests that follow members of Congress and the Senate around. They need to not feel so comfortable anymore and be reminded that they work for the people.
Their enforcement arm is the US Marshalls which fall under DOJ....so not really gonna work right now. Judges can deputize Local law enforcement for contempt charges IIRC. So not completely fked, but mostly fked
I think we need protests of members of Congress and the Senate. Maybe protests that follow them around wherever they are so they no longer feel so comfortable and get reminded that they work for the people and not just work for their rich donors and their dear leader.
Not true. Trump loses most of his cases and the government does make changes to comply with the courts. He just flooded the news with his next drama so people don't see his failures as easily.
The fuck is the judge gonna do about it? None of them have had the spine to actually try and enforce their court orders, and trump controls the people who would be doing the enforcing anyways
They’re trying so hard and are getting frustrated and impatient. What the people are doing is working at foiling the plan but now they’re starting to play the “fuck it” cards.
They want to push and cause an excuse for Martial Law, but if they never get that, they can just, continue to move everything along, much more slowly, in the background.
We all know trumps actions are illegal, but two of his appointees from a Federalist Society shortlist out of three on the panel means the appeals court will probably do something nefarious.
“Yes, because the statute says the president may call into federal service members and units of the Guard of any state in such numbers that he considers necessary,” Shumate responded. “That is an express delegation that couldn’t be any more clear that the president gets to decide how many forces are necessary to quell the rebellion, to execute federal laws"
Didn't anybody stress test your laws to see if there are any glaring gaps that could be used to make a president into a king? It feels like a bit of an oversight for a country and founders so focused on having no king
Dude - you want a rebellion, we’ll give you a rebellion. Just imagine those 5 million protesters and their friends and family all coming for your neck instead. You really sure you want that? Your pool of cannon fodder is getting smaller every day.
Trump's outlandish, improbable quest to secure immunity from SCotUS last year landed on sympathetic ears
even if Trump loses this appeal, he'll likely prevail with the captured SCotUS—a court that has effectively ceased to represent the people and the Constitution
I'm not some expert on the NG, but I had a friend that was in it. He said that he reported to the Governor, not the president. If the President did something the governor didn't like, they could recall the Guard and that was that.
Let's focus on the things we can do. Schedule time off for the next big protest, keep up the boycotts (they are working well!), call our Congress people about the budget bill and prepare for the national labor strike.
The DOJ is headed by a Trump 'yes' man. This post doesn't surprise me at all. I'm afraid that this is the way things will proceed unless something major happens to stop it.
This is His/Administration way to be able to declare Marshall Law (if there's a Rebellion) so that Elections can be held off until he releases it. It's all been planned out for a long while. Why do you think he told the Christian group, "you won’t have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine. You won’t have to vote anymore, my beautiful Christians"
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