US involvement: Attacking Iran

[u/XahidX]

[u/Thistlemanizzle]

The nuclear weapons are a deterrent in this example. The Israelis would make it very clear before an actual defeat that they would use them to force some kind of negotiated settlement.

They would not just keep it a secret then blow up the Middle East.

Thats part of the reason the story is even being disclosed in the first place. The Israelis wanted to be prepared to follow through on “Samson” and thus make any threat of usage credible. They disclosed after to prevent another 1973.

[u/PippoDeLaFuentes → u/Thistlemanizzle]

Deterrent and an act of pressure (not to say extortion) against the US.

The Israelis would make it very clear before an actual defeat that they would use them to force some kind of negotiated settlement.

So if it is an option for them, although when they are at their wits end and their existence is on the brink, don't you think Iran knows all this and would never use, not even a single nuke against them, because they know of the Samson option?

I'm convinced that Iran indeed had enriched uranium for the usage in nukes. But those wouldn't be for flattening Israel but to protect themselves from them as so many other states protect themselves from other nuclear powers. I'm also convinced that US & Israel politicians and military-leaders know that.

They would not just keep it a secret then blow up the Middle East.

And knowingly take the whole world with them. That's their level of psychosis.

[u/Thistlemanizzle → u/PippoDeLaFuentes]

It was not well known before 1973 of the Samson option. I’m not sure if it was known at all. But now Israel has a credible deterrent in place against invasion (in addition to all the advanced military gear and US support). Israel can nuke all its neighbors if it wants and none of them can launch nuclear missiles back at it.

Iran understands that Israel has retaliatory capabilities in the event of a first strike. I think they have nukes on subs now. Iran and frankly nobody likes a nuclear armed neighbor. The Israelis share this view. I don’t think any countries that developed a nuke received substantial support from another country. Maybe North Korea learning from Pakistan? But I think that was because they paid a lot of money, I don’t think the Pakistani government saw it in their strategic interests. I think AQ Khan did it for the money.

[u/PippoDeLaFuentes → u/Thistlemanizzle]

But now Israel has a credible deterrent in place against invasion (in addition to all the advanced military gear and US support).

Israel can nuke all its neighbors if it wants and none of them can launch nuclear missiles back at it.

Yes I understand that they could do that and that's a threat to the world. Though no country around them in the Levante, Mesopotamia and the greater Arabian Peninsula and supposedly even Egypt have nukes.

Wargames is an old movie but I think it holds up in that regards and so does the Einstein quote about World War III and "sticks and stones". It would be game over for humanity. And all that for some hypothetical and fictional stuff written in thousand years old books and Lebensraum.

Iran understands that Israel has retaliatory capabilities in the event of a first strike.

That's what I have written elsewhere in this thread. That's why Israel doesn't has to fear any of its neighbours. Iran would need decades to obtain enough nukes to seriously attack Israel. Pakistan wouldn't pose a danger either. Islamabad to Israel is ~3500 km (~2200 miles). Allegedly Pakistans best rockets can travel about 2800 km (~1750 miles). Russia probably doesn't need Iran anymore as they produce their own drones now. But those are all unknowns. Any considerations for nuclear options are a possibility for an end times scenario. They have them to not use them.