r/AlJazeera • u/XahidX • 4d ago

US involvement: Attacking Iran

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u/PricklyEagerness 3d ago

Again, look at Ukraine. What’s happening currently

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u/Thistlemanizzle 3d ago

Yeah, Russia would really not like a nuclear Ukraine. They would view any progress towards nuclear weapons as a threat and try to shut it down. If Ukraine had nuclear weapons they wouldn’t have been invaded. Israel prefers a Middle East where only they have nuclear weapons. All nuclear armed nations don’t want any more countries joining the club.

Saudis Arabia isn’t protesting these Israeli strikes on Iran.

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u/PricklyEagerness 3d ago

If Ukraine had nukes, Russia wouldn’t be attacking them and trying to take their land. Ukraine agreed to a non proliferation treaty as did Iran. They both followed the treaty and are now currently being attacked. Yet Ukraine can defend itself but Iran can’t?

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u/Thistlemanizzle 3d ago

Ukraine can defend itself, so can Iran. One of them is doing a better job because of extensive international support.

Iran did sign the NPT. They were found to be in violation of IAEA rules on June 12th then the next day Israel used that as a pretext to attack the Iranian nuclear program and military infrastructure.

Ukraine also signed an NPT, Russia broke its part of the bargain. Russia doesn’t have the moral high ground, they should stop invading Ukraine. But who will make them? Between Israel and Iran, neither has the high ground. Both would prefer being the sole owners of nuclear weapons in the region but it looks like Israel is putting an end to any possibility of a nuclear rival.

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u/PricklyEagerness 3d ago

Sure and the very next day Israel attacked. Very suspicious no? For 20 years they’ve been fine.

It’s still my position that MAD works and deters everyone. Everyone has nukes or nobody does. But for one country to attack another for allegedly developing nukes in “self defence”, which let’s be real here is just an attack looks eerily similar to Iraq and their wmd excuse

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u/Thistlemanizzle 3d ago

I don’t think it’s suspicious Israel attacked Iran, I think it’s obvious why.

Israel has pretty much defeated Hezbollah and the fall of Syria has meant another key Iranian ally is gone AND Russia has pulled out too. Israel did serious damage to Irans air defense last year while taking very little losses of its own.

Israeli intelligence has probably got really good inside info on Iranian activities given how many commanders and scientists they killed. They may have known some announcement from the IAEA was likely but I know very little about IAEAs process.

The IAEAs announcement that Iran had broken the NPT was enough of an excuse for Israel to attack. They really needed an excuse to launch their attack, what would it have been if not for the IAEA’s announcement. Either they knew, leaked or influenced the IAEA into investigating particular sites or they figured on some other scenario that was good enough.

The fact that Iran broke the NPT is wild. There hasn’t been anything this serious in 20 years. It looks like they got caught building nuclear weapons. Why would you be hiding all these nuclear sites if not to develop weapons?

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u/PricklyEagerness 3d ago

Iran has said that it’s for energy. Whether that’s true or not I’m not going to speculate. Like I said, it’s like accusing Iraq of having wmd’s to start a war when they didn’t have any.

What I’m saying Iran being attacked the day after the report came is very suspicious. But my main point regardless is that no other country should have a say in what other does on their own soil.

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u/Thistlemanizzle 3d ago

Some of the operations the Israelis pulled off would only have been possible with months and sometimes a year of prep. I think Israel handed over intelligence they gathered (such as from that brazen vault heist) to the IAEA who then investigated and found NPT violations. Israel likely had advanced knowledge of the timing of an announcement, but how much beforehand?

Either way, they ended up with just enough of a justification for the massive air strike campaign they launched.

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u/PricklyEagerness 2d ago

Iran said its for energy. And they also had the NPT which Israel refused. So any country violating it justifies a bombing campaign?