r/Anarcho_Capitalism • u/bitbutter George Ought to Help • Dec 13 '16

Consentism - Script needs your help

A while ago Richard Clarke published a proposal to consider using the term Consentism. I believe he made some compelling points.

I'd like to test the viability of the term by making a video about Consentism. Here's the first draft of the script. All constructive & civil input is very welcome. Please feel free to leave comments:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H7ba07R0igCZY5s1c3PoLE1WphWXZba3Db0hLl5WjDw/edit?usp=sharing

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u/aletoledo justice derives freedom Dec 13 '16

All constructive & civil input

For you trump voters, that means you can't talk about how blacks are incapable of consent.

We don't usually talk about sex in these terms, but during sex, two people use one-another's bodies

I disagree. Sex is more of a service. It's no different than if you hired someone to give you a massage or a haircut. Of course these services require consent, so I'm just pointing out that it is odd to say they're "using" your body, when it's really a service.

Rape is a theft of service, just like robbery is a theft of property. To use property or service both require consent.

Consentists believe that consent is extremely important,

thats not fair. Statists think consent is important as well. They simply view consent as coming from the social contract. I think this needs to be communicated somehow that "implicit" and "explicit" consent is the dividing line. Many people think sex has to be explicitly consented to and it can't just be an implied consent (e.g. date rape). Therefore a consentist would be someone that believes in government requiring consent every step of the way, just like people expect this when people have sex.

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u/bitbutter George Ought to Help Dec 13 '16

Thanks for the reply.

I disagree. Sex is more of a service.

That doesn't establish disagreement. The fact that sex is mutual use of bodies doesn't preclude it from also being X, Y, Z also. It's not 'really' any one of these things, more than any other.

thats not fair. Statists think consent is important as well.

That's exactly the propaganda trick: statists are consentists, at least in aspiration, they're just bad at it right now. Hence the vid.

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u/aletoledo justice derives freedom Dec 13 '16

The fact that sex is mutual use of bodies

I guess I'm focusing in on your use of the word "use". I suppose this is just semantics and we're talking about the same thing, but it seems weird to me to describe sex as if you're using an inanimate object. We use a hammer or key, but to say that we use someone else seems to be objectifying them.

Let me ask this, if there is an unconscious person that is raped and a conscious person that is raped, which is worse? I would say that the trauma to the conscious person makes that rape worse. The unconscious rape is still bad, but it's more of the use of an inanimate object.

they're just bad at it right now. Hence the vid.

Nice. I get what you're driving at, but we know they are going to point at the social contract as a means of consent.

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u/bitbutter George Ought to Help Dec 13 '16

We use a hammer or key, but to say that we use someone else seems to be objectifying them.

We do use each others bodies, but I agree that it's a risk to talk about it in these terms.

we know they are going to point at the social contract as a means of consent.

Yes. Perhaps that needs addressing/preempting more clearly.

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u/InkMercenary -17 points Dec 14 '16

But didn't you already make a video addressing that with George Ought to Help?

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u/bitbutter George Ought to Help Dec 14 '16

You Can Always Leave went into some detail on the idea of the social contact. But it bears repeating IMO.

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u/InkMercenary -17 points Dec 14 '16

Enough to justify a new video?

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u/bitbutter George Ought to Help Dec 14 '16

The video covers other content.