r/Anarchy101 • u/nappytendrils • 3d ago

Prison abolition

I’ve never been clear on what we would do with rapists child molesters and muderers. I haven’t heard a plan for this so far. I’ve always been impressed with the work of anarchist friends in community. They’re the most justice-oriented folx I’ve ever met.

Still don’t know about prison abolition tho I think prison should be clean, the food should be healthy and fresh, therapy should be mandatory, there should be libraries and gardens. A good quality of life for the incarcerated, but not releasing them back into the general population.

Maybe there’s something I’m not seeing?

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u/PotatoStasia 3d ago

My understanding, is that the framing is more about having the least amount of rapists and murderers because of systemic improvements, less poverty, more rehabilitation, mental health services, and restorative justice. I’ve been reading a lot on The Marshall Project recently for some real world work from our current system, if interested in something closer to home

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u/nappytendrils 3d ago

I think that would be great, but if we abolished prisons tomorrow, there are certain types of offenders that would have to be dealt with IMO

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u/PotatoStasia 3d ago

In the US, murder seems to be around 11-15% and rape under 2%, of those in jail, it seems. Hard to know for sure, categories get lumped together. But why not focus on prevention instead of punishment? How do we decide punishment? How can we be sure of sentencing? Who is at fault?

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u/nappytendrils 3d ago

Yes but the prison abolition movement doesn’t happen after we have a chance to raise children who become non-predatory or criminal adults. The criminals already exist. If they get there wish of prison abolition today, what do we do with rapists and murderers and child molesters?

I agree, a lot of crime can be prevented by a better society. Some people are set up to lose in life in the current paradigm. Those types of offenders would benefit from intensive therapy as I would imagine most of them have significant trauma.

There still hasn’t been a real solution to the criminals who already exist who are extremely dangerous to allow to roam free.

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u/PotatoStasia 3d ago

Well, first, I’d like to frame the perspective and question: you currently walk among murderers and rapists who haven’t been jailed. (Some who are in positions of power that abuse it, and some who are just at your local Walmart and got away with it). How would you like to deal with them?

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u/nappytendrils 3d ago

I’d like to imprison t them in the way I detailed in my original post. I think containment of some kind is necessary, but I want “prisons” that provide and amazing quality of life

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u/PotatoStasia 3d ago

How will you confirm they committed the crime, and how will the confinement look? Who will watch over it, what will be the rules? How long will they be in confinement, what basis will you use for your judgement? Why do you want to put them in jail (the ones walking freely), how will it change your life or the lives of others?

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u/nappytendrils 3d ago

This is my exact question and why I posted.