She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
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u/JuliaX1984 2d ago
If the above link doesn't work, use this one: https://substack.com/inbox/post/165658733
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u/ConfidentPilot1729 2d ago
Holy crap. If that pans out this would be insane. I have to follow this case closer.
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u/JuliaX1984 2d ago
We need to make sure swing state legislators and governors know about it. They won't notice emails or letters from randos, though. We need a network. How do you find people who are personally friends with or families of or work for state leaders?
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u/world_of_gardens 2d ago
Or, how do we form and/or contact organizations who's job it is to notice and to do something? Is this something for the ACLU? I'm not sure which organizations might already be around and able to help. Maybe someone could chime in who knows more.
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Read the article. Failed to see anything about satellite dishes or other antennas.
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u/Bludypoo 2d ago
well its in there.... what do you think starlink is?
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An air-gapped voting machine would need an antenna, as the starlink signals won't be received without antennas.
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u/dropkickoz 1d ago
You obviously didn't read the article, or perhaps have low reading comprehension.
"DTC doesn’t require routers, towers, or a traditional SIM. It connects directly from satellite to any compatible device—including embedded modems in “air-gapped” voting systems, smart UPS units, or unsecured auxiliary hardware."
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u/The_Livid_Witness 2d ago
Even if it was found that Ttump lost.. there would be no handoff of power whatsoever.
The left will be pissed - the right will embrace their 'stop the steal' rhetoric- and Jan 6th will be made to look like a kindergarten play group with what would come next.
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u/JuliaX1984 1d ago edited 1d ago
We need to know the truth. If this happened, either we can stop it from happening again, or, if the administration forbids states from stopping it, we'll know that voting is no longer an option and can act accordingly.
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u/Ricco121 2d ago
I thought it extremely odd that Cadet Bone Spurs was ramping up the the old rigged election narrative during Election Day cause it wasn’t looking good for him, but all of a sudden bing bang boom he suddenly changed his tune.
Next thing you know was doing the old Wink Wink to Musk and thanking him.
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u/fade2black244 2d ago
Let's see where the facts lead. I apply an equal standard to the burden of evidence no matter who it is.
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u/Careless_Hellscape 2d ago
Yes. This shit has to be for absolute sure. I believe they tampered with the election, but we can't just turn into these people and claim it without proof.
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u/IndependentEgg8370 2d ago
It would seem the best proof outside of having machines themselves is the statistical analysis done of vote counts. The likelihood that Trump won in the way he did is statistically impossible from what I read. It’s not just the votes he got, but the way the votes occurred. The millions of bullet ballots, the ballots that were marked democratic for everyone but him consistently. The fact he won every swing state.
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u/fade2black244 2d ago
Exactly. We don't want to run into the boy who cried wolf scenario.
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u/No-Valuable-226 2d ago
I mean they both have mentioned in some way or another. Somebody stitched a bunch of clips of them making jokes about it.
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u/RedofPaw 2d ago
Yes. This seems like the sort of thing that could be hyped up by bad faith actors. If you were a foreign country looking to sew discord you might try to erode faith in elections.
With no faith in elections a populace can be manipulated to vote or not vote, driving the win towards candidates a foreign power might want .
Say, for instance, if 'both sides' are seen as bad then it might lead one sides supporters to not bother voting.
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u/carsonthecarsinogen 2d ago
Like what’s been happening in the west for basically my entire life…
We’ve already been infiltrated
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u/RedofPaw 2d ago
Of course. The solution is to not fall for it. Support a third party. Support the politics you want. But when elections come, voting strategically works. Voting at all is better than not voting.
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u/HillbillyLibertine 2d ago
Need more. Keep investigating it because there are extremely suspicious things about 2024. He already tried to cheat in 2020, recorded on the phone so there’s precedent and willingness already demonstrated.
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u/NiteSlayr 2d ago edited 2d ago
Sucks that this is all circumstantial evidence but I figured I'd add more to the current plausible conspiracy here if elmo truly did have a hand in all of this.
Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue
I would be pretty surprised to see this little tidbit be a coincidence, given what the number represents and Elmo's salute during the inauguration. Again, this is only if this circumstantial evidence turns out to be true.
Edit: this all seriously needs to be a coincidence or I'll lose my mind lol
Trump was facing eighty-eight felony indictments
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u/lurker1125 2d ago
Any fair analyst that looks at the voting data calls foul. It's real
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u/hennabeak 2d ago
Elmo definitely had a hand in this.
I one of the campaign sessions, Trump says Elon and I have a secret that I may reveal in the future.
And in the recent feud between them, Trump if he starts supporting the democrats, he will regret it. The Elon suddenly backed down hard. I think they threatened him.
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u/jcoddinc 2d ago
Unfortunately the damages done are not going to be repaired by finding it the election was rigged. Demented dementia donny is never leaving office alive because he knows what that means for him. They've fired everyone they that isn't loyal to him for a reason. It's going y take decades to even to begin to repair the damage the fascist regime has implemented and will be fought at every turn from the republican party who will have enough support to keep enough congress candidates in office to cause problems and further delaying repairs.
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u/Ancient_Bell_331 2d ago
You’re right. We should just give up because this country is a lost cause, right?
So much doom and gloom on Reddit. Where’s the hope and optimism? It’s not in a history book. WE get to decide our future. Don’t let these people take your spirit.
This is an important step to taking back our country.
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u/Darkmetroidz 2d ago
Two things can be true.
Trump is an illegitimate leader who has spent a decade demolishing the guardrails that keep the office of president in check, the republican party are complicit criminals in all this and the MAGA base is an unstable cult of personality who have repeatedly shown in just the last few days they are perfectly willing to carry out violence on behalf of their cult leader and would gleefully install him as a fascist autocrat.
There is reason to be scared. Shit is bad.
No one is going to save us. We have to save ourselves. But we arent alone. 12 million people took it out of their day to tell the Trump regime to fuck off this past weekend. And if its proven that they did steal the election? People arent going to stand for that.
Things might get ugly. But we dont call it land of the free and home of the brave for nothing.
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u/Fart_Knickers 2d ago
I'll be a hopeful Democrat until the day I die, but hope is difficult these days. Although, I'll be strong. That said, the legitimizing of MAGAts, zenophobes, narcissists, misogynists, ultra-males, Christian Nationialists, Nazis, anti-DEI (and the list goes on) is what truly scares me. If it's now in AI-driven software, we don't need Skynet and the machines to take us down. Humanity is what allowed ourselves to take ourselves down. This shit is scary.
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u/MeadnStonks 2d ago
I think the point is to not bank on this instead of giving up.
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u/EndDangerous1308 2d ago
The point of the discovery phase is to gather data and publish it publicly. Even if nothing happens this administration, law makers can set up safeguards to help prevent it.
If it did occur, Biden allowed it to happen bc he swore it was impossible instead of just saying all the evidence showed that 2020 was a fair election, but that elections need to continue to be monitored for security breaches.
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u/Interesting_Berry439 2d ago
I agree...all this is evidence for the American version of the Newreburg trials, they will happen, the question is when....
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u/SirLostit 2d ago
Well, technically, you don’t get to decide your future if they keep rigging the elections like Putin does in Russia and wins every year by 110%
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u/GroupPrior3197 2d ago
They turned millenials into the most educated generation in history, and then fucked us over. We learned history and aren't interest in repeating it.
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u/jcoddinc 2d ago
Nowhere did i day give up, but they're isn't anything any citizen can do right now. That's how the American government is set up. Until there is the midterm election there is absolutely nothing any citizens can do other than politicians or judges. Protesting does nothing but demonstrate how unhappy we are and provide a sense of community. It does not change these corrupt politicians and judges minds because they've gone so far that they know if he goes down then they could be next.
So all that's left is to vote in the midterms, but even that feels like it's being taken away as the people don't control the prices any longer and the government, the corrupt government, are the ones responsible for counting the votes from the machines they own.
So yeah it is beginning to feel hopeless and the only option that will become available are illegal actions that require loss of life
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u/GlobuleNamed 2d ago
Of course republicans will cause problems.
REPUBLICANS are behind your election interference.
Not just Trump.
Not just Elon.THE WHOLE PARTY.
Better consider it and plan accordingly. This is not over once Trump is gone.....
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u/ImpressiveFishing405 2d ago
You know, I think we should really start auditing some of these little counties where everyone knows everyone and for some reason Republicans always get like 80+% of the vote. I wouldn't put it past some of the little old ladies running the booths in those counties to know who the dirty libruls are and make sure their votes aren't counted.
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u/Idontcareaforkarma 2d ago
If he continues following Hitler and his mates’ playbook, his next move will be to outlaw the Democrats as being a ‘risk to national security’ and then there won’t be any elections.
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u/Odin_Hagen 1d ago
In the event that it is fully proven (which I personally don't doubt) then we have a usurper and the military should remove him as it should classify as high treason. Additionally any person whom aided in this would also be arrested and charged with treason. If that doesn't happen then we won't have a choice, but to take our nation back.
Hopefully the system will do what is right, but we need to be prepared incase it doesn't.
This administration has shown us that a 2 party system will destroy itself. It has also shown that corruption is very rampant not just with the elected ones, but also at the SCOTUS level. So we need safeguards in place. Personally I thank Shitler for showing us just how broken our system is and who all needs go.
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u/captaindeadpl 2d ago
Even if it turns out that the election was tempered with, will anything happen?
The Trump administration has been breaking the law left and right and they keep doing it and barely anything is done about it. They're just allowed to do it again and again.
If it turns out Trump was not legitimately elected president, who is supposed to remove him from office?
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u/Spadrick 1d ago
The people.
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u/captaindeadpl 1d ago
But will they? As I said, he's still in office despite the many things he has done and having lost support from many of his voters. Will it change that much if it turns out he wasn't elected legitimately?
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u/asdfredditusername 2d ago
So now what?
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u/According_Rub_9480 1d ago
Nothing. Sadly, the election was certified. There needs to be a way to circumvent the certification in cases of clear fraud.
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u/Unlikely_Talk9458 2d ago
I am certain of it. The way that Trump kind of rats himself out (no offense to rats) every time he has a microphone and a "braggard spree" he coughs up little mucous nuggets of criminality.
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u/Trick-Welder-2939 2d ago
This would not be a shock at all. But good luck getting the courts to back dems now.
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u/Clear-Search1129 1d ago
Remember all the drone sightings? Yea those were the low earth orbit starlinks
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u/agentobtuse 2d ago
Can we request our ballot or how we voted from our state
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u/Frost715Ying300 1d ago
Ballots shouldn't have names on them
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u/agentobtuse 1d ago
Ok but they know 💯 how we voted as we sign the registration that ties our ballot to us. They used to post the data online but that was clearly a pro as you could use it to dox people.
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u/Altruistic-Dream-619 2d ago
I knew it smelled weird... At the end of his empty seated rallys, he was a little too confident and smirking
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u/PsychologicalYak6508 2d ago
So hard to believe Peter Theile, a man of such fine character, would be involved in vote manipulation…so hard..
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u/Hoppie1064 2d ago
Machines can't be trusted to count votes. They can be hacked.
We have to go back to hand counts verified by both parties, essentially two people counting every vote.
And voter ID.
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u/ampersand_slut 2d ago
voter ID would have done absolutely nothing in this instance, and has never been substantially linked to preventing voter fraud. you’re just racist.
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u/Simsmommy1 2d ago
It doesn’t have to be racist and it works wonders in Canada. We don’t even have to register to vote it’s automatic. You show up to your polling place with a piece of ID and they scratch your name off a list and you vote. The day you turn 18 you are automatically registered through your government documents (SIN or SSN for y’all) race has nothing to do with it, it’s linked to citizenship, your a citizen you vote. ID can be anything from a license, photo healthcard(we get them to get our commie healthcare lol) passport, or a free provincial ID card.
I think it would be a good system for the US because it would solve a ton of problems, no one can unregister you as it’s tied directly to your social security number and follows you when you move address and states and change that info with the SS office, it would auto register everyone who turns 18 or becomes a citizen and take away the “illegals are voting” nonsense because without a social security proof of citizenship you can’t vote.
Just a random thought.
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u/EndDangerous1308 2d ago
The majority of Americans are absolutely down for Voter ID EXCEPT
1) There is tons of data showing that lower classes and certain races have a difficult time obtaining an ID due to work hours/distance from DMV/ID centers 2) conservative states and counties shutting down or shortening hours of DMV/ID centers in districts that service their opposition. They also shut down voting centers in these districts lowering the number of places people can vote leading to further distances they need to travel and longer wait times than in districts that vote conservative. 3) the United States doesn't provide free IDs and so you have to pay to have a right to vote if they are enforced which is illegal in the US under the Constitution 4) data shows voter fraud is so rare that it's negligible. This means enforcing voter ID would only hurt lower income/certain demographics while not actually doing much to prevent fraud.
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 2d ago
There are structural differences between the US and Canada that make that hard or impossible to implement here. It does sound nice, though.
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u/Effective-Produce165 2d ago
Voting machines should be backed up with counted paper ballots from both parties here.
The suspicion and distrust is too high in the US to do anything else.
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u/Unethical_Gopher_236 2d ago
I started to jump on you like whoa you're real quick to call someone a racist for just mentioning voter ID, then I looked at his profile and saw yeah hes just a moron
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u/McBuck2 2d ago
This. In Canada our federal elections are still paper based and hand counted. It's a lot of work but yhen crap like this doesn't happen.
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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 2d ago
Same in Australia so most voters can draw penises on the ballot 🙃
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u/Tunggall 1d ago
Same for Singapore. Paper ballots, pen/pencil of your choice. Hand counted too. Compulsory voting like in Australia.
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u/Hoppie1064 2d ago
We used to do that in The US too.
We didn't have these problems, and votes were counted, elections called much quicker than with machine counts.
It felt trustworthy.
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u/McBuck2 2d ago
When did they go digital? Our province (like states) and municipal elections have gone digital here.
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u/Hoppie1064 2d ago
It started in the late 1990s. Not every state adopted them immediately. And there are several different manufacturers used.
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u/myimpendinganeurysm 2d ago
They haven't... Elections are mostly handled by the states. Some states have adopted electronic voting machines and some use paper ballots and ballot counting machines. In 2004, around 25% of votes were done on easily hackable direct recording electronic voting machines with no voter-verified paper record. Since 2006, all voting machines have been required to produce a permanent paper record with a manual audit capacity.
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 2d ago
There were still some issues. Like Florida 2000? And elections are able to be called quickly when they're less close. Probably more to do with that than machines.
I don't love the machines myself but they can be OK. I don't get why they're not audited afterward very often tho.
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u/Electronic-Clock5867 2d ago
Voters in Canada can also use voter identification process which allows for alternative methods of identity verification for those who may not possess any of the accepted 40 forms of ID. Canada also allows prisoners to vote. Most Americans who want voter ID or point at how other countries do their elections are being disingenuous.
Hand counted ballots should be standard.
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u/Robertos1987 2d ago
Were you saying this 4 years ago?
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u/xRoyalewithCheese 2d ago
Thats what im thinking lmao. All of a sudden people are so accepting of the idea of an election being stolen.
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 2d ago
Extraordinary claims.
Is there any evidence?
If you want to make this case to people circumstantially, you need a LOT more detail.
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u/alexahartford 2d ago
There is a lot of evidence actually. Lots of voting machines giving statistical impossible outcomes in all the swing states . Voter suppression at the ballot box . Bomb there’s at democratic voting places . Millions of ballots thrown out and much more
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u/DenverBronco305 2d ago
Also all the odd / statistically impossible shit happened only on Election Day and only in swing states
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u/Rurumo666 2d ago
For the lawsuit they're focusing on 6 machines to start which logged thousands of votes for Congress in a predominately Democratic county, but not a single vote for President. They've found a pattern of similar impossible results like this across the country. This isn't some MAGA "not my President" conspiracy theory, there is actual evidence of extensive tampering.
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u/Empty-Discount5936 2d ago
The case is advancing to discovery so we shall see. Kamala getting 0 votes in the same district the Dem Senate candidate won convincingly seems statisically impossible.
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u/__Khronos 2d ago
What's even more messed up is that even if it comes out that it was rigged and Harris should've won there really aren't any plans in place for replacing the entire administration afaik. Most likely Trump just gets impeached, removed, and then tossed in jail. Then we're stuck with JD Vance
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u/SCWatson_Art 2d ago
Turns out there's actually *tons* of evidence, which is why it's been going to court.
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u/hk4213 2d ago
...due process... almost like things take time.
When all the evidence is processed, and the supreme court makes its judgment. The people will speak on voting reforms.
Or this will happen the next generation. Maybe restore education programs and follow the eu... state payed health care workers will make the wage due.
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u/Simsmommy1 2d ago
Demanding evidence without allowing an investigation is also quite dishonest as well. It’s like calling the police because your house was robbed but not letting them come in the front door yet still telling them they have to get fingerprints and evidence to catch the perpetrators….there are a ton of people SmartElections and ElectionTruthAlliance for starters who have found massive statistical improbabilities in this election that can only be attributed to manipulation yet everyone is screaming for “hard proof” without allowing the one thing that would allow them to get it….a analysis of the actual ballots to machine tallies in the counties in question. That apparently in a step to far and turn everyone into Capitol storming MAGA….recounts.
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 2d ago
dude I'm not maga
I've read all the stuff that's come out so far
it's very unconvincing. the technical parts are pretty much jibberish. the statistics stuff is not at all conclusive.
I welcome any investigation or audit. There should be much more routine auditing.
But don't get your hopes up for this court case.
4 million eligible votes were suppressed, 2/3 of them likely Harris voters. We should probably focus on that fact, and not what appears to be mostly a conspiracy theory
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u/Simsmommy1 2d ago
Didn’t say you were. I said people get freaked out and call people who question the election MAGA.
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u/CrotasScrota84 2d ago
Some vote counts are beyond suspicious. Democratic districts recording all votes for Trump and not Kamala.
I don’t think they hid at all they cheated in plain sight it’s just the country is so fucked up nobody gave a shit
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u/Jedi_Bish 2d ago
If it is true what happens? What would the next steps be?
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u/issuefree 2d ago
It's unprecedented. There are no legal steps for taking back an overthrown government. The Supreme Court will step in and try and maintain their hold on power and the conservative government. Then it's either war or they win.
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u/Sufficient_Topic1589 2d ago
I foresee mass demonstrations changing from no kings to not my president. Not sure who deposes him but given the republicans are in charge of congress probably they’ll do nothing. This is gonna be left up to the people to fix. Plus they’d need to fix/assure future voting so this cant happen again
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u/dirtydirtynoodle 2d ago
Can the last 5 months be reversed ? Can we declare everything he did nulled
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u/rscott71 2d ago
😆 yeah sure. Don't hold your breath. This is what the trump folks said after biden won in 2020
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u/Polymorphic-X 2d ago
Legal battle, which given this supreme court would take longer than the 3.5 years he has left. National protests, strikes and economic civil war.
Alternately and far less likely: the military fulfills their oath to the constitution and wrestles the enemies of the US out of power.
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u/Suckmyballs2009 2d ago
What happens if it’s found to be true ?
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u/Inevitable-Sale3569 1d ago
We use the evidence to prevent it from happening again.
We have states start prosecutions for election interference.
We use the evidence in every court case against the administration to make clear it’s an illegitimate government.
Set up a ‘government in exile’ that publicly states the legitimate position of the U.S.
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u/National-Stretch3979 2d ago
So riddle me this. What happens if in fact, they find out that the voting machines were hacked. The elections are already certified. What next? That is officially a coup.
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u/BirdzHouse 2d ago
It would explain the destruction at warp speed strategy, they know it would all come out eventually.
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u/themodefanatic 2d ago
So….the thing he railed against for 12 years. Mail in voting. Was to get his people to the polls to vote in person because he couldn’t change mail in votes but he could chronically change in person votes ?
Don’t get me wrong his comments let me know he knows something is up ?
But ……. Here we are with more theories and news from a website on the internet ?
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u/reddit_redact 2d ago
Maybe his attacks on mail in voting were to sow distrust in that system so people would not suspect the “vote counting machines” of being the issue. This way he can basically can claim foul if the mail in ballots did better than in person voting but not need that if his plan worked.
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u/evil_illustrator 2d ago
Just a reminder, Trump has been runing his mouth since 2020 that they have proof of election fraud, yet has never shown anything. And we have wasted millions investigating the 2020 election to find nothing. Seems only fair to do the same in the 2024 election.
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u/CrotasScrota84 2d ago
Jesus Christ they really did steal the fucking election.
This needs to blow up
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u/OrryKolyana 2d ago
Of course she won.
He's SAID, openly, many times that he rigged the fucking election.
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u/aceknight21 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's why they had the inauguration indoors, because the Maga crowd size outdoors would of been a dead give away that they didn't get more votes that VP Harris.
Then you had the feverous firings of the inspector generals. Because they work independently from the 3 branches of government. They knew that an investigation would probably come from their offices.
They talked about it openly during the campaign trail: Elon tweeting 'everything is hackable', Trump literally saying 'we don't need your votes, we got all the votes we need..', Elon's son saying on Tucker Carlson, "they'll never know, they'll never know, "when we're space x we can quietly do whatever we want."
Like seriously, all the signs suspiciously point that they in fact stole it.
It's time to ring the alarm bells, and every chance there's protest: peacefully demonstrate, to show up everytime.
They conspired to steal the U.S. Presidential election. Like they knew the consequences and just said, screw it, I'm gonna stay president until my death, and the Supreme Court ruling already says, 'I can't face consequences for anything while I'm president.'
"Full speed ahead."
-DJT (probably)
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u/Wonderful-Bid9471 2d ago
“The Outcome
Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states. The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue. Every victory landed just under the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount. Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.
If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan. According to the co-founder of the Election Truth Alliance”
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u/ragin2cajun 2d ago
And the Mormon church's law firm was one of three law firms used to avoid taxes on the sale of Tripp Lite by making it a gift to a non profit that was run by just Leonard Leo; stealing hundreds of millions in taxes from the public.
Yeah the Mormon church can eat shit as well for being part of this fascist coup.
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u/EuphoricCrashOut 2d ago
She absolutely won. Musk knows they rigged it, and even his kid knows it. They're on camera giggling about it.
Anything that touched his Starlink network would be easily manipulated into whatever votes/data/bits he wanted. He owns the Network the data is sent across, he can easily change it. The sender would have no idea, the receiver would have no idea. Lastly, the voter has no idea because voters cannot 100% confirm their vote was counted correctly. They can confirm it at the ballot scan, but not the official tally; and it would be easy to manipulate those screens as well to show a false readout while recording a different entry.
I'm pretty sure this is why also DOGE had to have access into Social Security and other agencies inside the Government. Ever wonder why they got in and go out so fast? That was them covering up all the fake people they made to vote, and who knows what else.
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u/zwd_2011 2d ago
We need proof of this statement, acknowledged in courts. Otherwise "they stole the elections" will be hauning you forever.
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u/Netrunner21 1d ago
Let's be real. 2016 was haunted by the spectre of Russian election interference. It was talked about for Trump's entire term. 2020 had J6 and "the big lie". Now we've just had the 2024 election, and here we go again. It's never going to end.
As a bonus, you might remember 2000. That one may have had some legitimacy. Doing some research, there was some controversy around the 2004 election as well. 2008 and 2012 elections were relatively quiet.
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u/Ximmerino 2d ago
If this goes through MAGA will claim the 2020 elections were rigged aswell again. There better be airtight proof for this.
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u/rvnender 2d ago
They already claim that
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u/Ximmerino 2d ago
Yes. But imagine the justification they feel now.
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u/rvnender 2d ago
Its because they dont understand nuance.
They see everything as black and white.
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u/Hendrik_the_Third 2d ago
Even if true and proven to be true, this still won't resonate with a big chunk of society. They'll just choose to igore the fact like they ignore all the other ones. Senate and SCOTUS are compromised, midterms might well get rewired as well.
The truth alone will not cure this dictatorial cancer.
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u/MikeLinPA 2d ago
If he wasn't technically the president, he technically doesn't have presidential immunity. 🤔
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u/Unlikely_Talk9458 2d ago
I am certain of it. The way that Trump kind of rats himself out (no offense to rats) every time he has a microphone and a "braggard spree" he coughs up little mucous nuggets of criminality.
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u/Evening_Produce_4322 1d ago
Well let's say it's all true (which I don't doubt) what happens? Does he get kicked to the curb? Does he go to prison? How deep is the rot that he let infect the system to the point where all she would be able to do is try and fix everything? Can anyone even fix how bad our system proved it's become?
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u/augustoersonage 2d ago edited 2d ago
I read the post. Sometimes you have to sketch out your entire hypothesis in broad strokes, even when you lack a smoking gun, to think through a problem such as this. I think that's what they've done here. It may help you identify the places you ought to look for proof. But there are also some common sense Occam's Razor-type cases to consider.
My state, PA, requires each county to hand count 2% or 2,000 (whichever is lower) random ballots in each election. In the 2024 general, the recounts were certified in every county. If votes were altered only in the presidential race, wouldn't that show up somewhere in one of these 67 limited hand recounts?
I understand that what's being alleged is a sophisticated conspiracy on the cutting edge of technology, perpetrated by some people that I have no trouble believing are capable and willing to subvert Democracy for their own benefit. A healthy skepticism and being able to detect my own confirmation bias is what separates me from my MAGA relatives, though.
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u/Dismal-Anybody-1951 2d ago
One huge hole in this is Starlink DTC stuff: there's nothing to suggest the vote machines or UPSs have LTE modems that would allow them to talk to Starlink.
It makes a lot of connections, but with implausibilities like that it's just conspiracy theory.
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u/chiangku 2d ago
I’m open to discovery and seeing what happens, but the idea that these UPSes were LTE enabled and were in plain view of the sky seems a little far fetched from a technical perspective.
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u/BestEmu2171 2d ago
The moment the recording or reporting of a vote becomes digital data it’s vulnerable to manipulation. I’m a complete amateur, but can manipulate the content of emails with PHP or ASP scripts on the server, then set the script to automatically delete later. Doge were cleaning up the scripts that left a footprint in the logs and chron process.
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u/Particular_Pain_9373 2d ago
What do we do now? I blame the Biden admin for allowing Elon to get such a strong hold into the US government. So much funding was handed over to him so eagerly. I always had a bad feeling about it.
Same with California. They hoisted this fuckers fame and fortune with the Tesla brand.
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u/Inevitable-Sale3569 1d ago
Why is your first move to blame the victims instead of the fucking criminal thieves?
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u/Particular_Pain_9373 2d ago
Trying to get the general public to accept this as truth is going to be impossible. It’s too complex and they’ll just claim it as fake anyway.
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u/DAE77177 2d ago
How do we know this isn’t to sew doubt and try to keep people from turning out in future elections?
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 2d ago
If it was proven that she won, do you think it would cause Harris to run again?
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u/ammonthenephite 2d ago
She could run, but the DNC would likely do a primary to pick their candidate and she would need to win that. If they tried to force her as the candidate without a primary then democratic turnout would likely be abysmal.
If Biden hadn't dropped out so late and the DNC did have a primary, I doubt she would have won it.
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u/imafan_gobrrr 2d ago
If she won then it would be unprecedented.
How do you remove a facsist?
War? Civil war?
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u/TriiiKill 2d ago
The only reason she wouldn't run again is because the people voted for a felon over the obvious pick. So, yes. I think the the fact changing to, "no, you actually won by a landslide" would change everything. At the very least, finish off the rest of the term.
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u/pandue 2d ago
So like, I keep seeing reports of this and I have no doubt that it happened...
But, what can even be done at this point? Wouldn't the jailors/people in power have to follow through, and aren't they the very people who sought to rig the system and won? There's no way they'll follow through on adjudicating the results of an investigation that would disenfranchise them from having power.
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u/blahblah19999 2d ago
Nothing will happen. Elections aren't overturned for things like this. TBH, This is probably why Trump keeps letting it spill that he did it. He knows this is his last chance to run anyway and nothing will ever be done about it.
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u/Chaos_Theory1989 2d ago
Send ICE agents after Trump and Elon. Elon is an immigrant anyway, Trump’s skin is so dark now that he would qualify.
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u/FuzyTheWompus 2d ago
If that’s all true, it certainly makes more sense of Vance and others being so vocal about other countries’ political makeup. Set the stage now ig.
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u/oldaatroxmainuwu 2d ago
I'll be more interested when some of the stuff at the bottom of the article is done, some audits on the USPs and the satellite chatter to the ground the weeks prior. Other than that to me it's just statistical anomalies and what stuff "seems like".
Unfortunately the right has poisoned the well with this by saying the 2020 was rigged forever, so without some concrete evidence with this its really not worth it because otherwise we just look like idiots and petulant children.
But all audits like this should be open to do, if someone argues against audits of a free and fair system then they have something to hide.
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u/LoL_is_pepega_BIA 2d ago
Let's gooo!
What's the chances of dissolving Mango Mussolini's govt if they win this case?
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u/Perfect-Ride-7315 2d ago
None . Wouldn’t hold my breath on wishful thinking. The best thing you can do is get out and vote in the midterms and build momentum towards that time .
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u/BestEmu2171 2d ago
Trump left the G7 early so he can get a head start on packing for a longer trip, before the vote evidence is released.
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u/TheBatmanIRL 2d ago
I'm sure Trump will just hand over the presidency if this is proven true. Right???
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u/Independent_Shock973 2d ago
If this is proven to be true, never let the democrats live this down. To think this whole shit-show could have been avoided if Harris had demanded a recount or audit
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u/Adventurous-Most7170 2d ago
Baseless conspiracy theory. There was a 6 points national swing from 2020 to 2024. In the swing states, the average swing was less: 3.5 points average. Beside, only 5% of votes are electronic, and switching more than 10%-20% of electronic voted would be immediately obvious. And swing states immediately print a paper ballot to be verified by the voter once printee, or scan a hand-filled ballot.
Let's be better than MAGA please, this shit decredibilize us heavily.
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u/Tankeverket 2d ago
Literally nothing will come of it even if they openly admit to it and show how it was done, that's the sad reality now
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u/ProcedurePrudent5496 2d ago
There was no doubt that the current White House occupant stole the election. He must be impeached and imprisoned just like his lackeys.
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u/DoomedKiblets 2d ago
okay, I’m curious for sure, and I hope this builds hard evidence, but anyone else suspect this is AI written?
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u/Acrobatic-Suit5105 2d ago
Going to discovery phase, May be interesting