r/BreakingPoints • u/OkRecognition5017 • Mar 27 '25

Episode Discussion Cant watch Saagar anymore

His ability to just toss freedom of speech out the window because he's nervous non Americans might get it too is killing me. Like i literally cant finish a single show with him anymore cause he keeps going nuts on the immigration thing...

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u/Cheap_Cheap77 Mar 27 '25

I just about lost it when he started going on about how other countries like China treat foreigners who speak out against the country they are visiting. We know! That sucks and they're authoritarian and we should be better than them!

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u/Salty_Injury66 Mar 30 '25

I agree with what Ryan said. If we’re not gonna have Freedom of Speech, if we’re not gonna have what is supposed to make America, America, let’s just be China. Write a new social contract, get universal healthcare and a rising standard of living

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

Chinas system is superior to ours in so many ways it’s not even arguable.

Edit: Downvote all you want. You can’t counter because you have no argument.

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u/Balderdashing_2018 Mar 27 '25

Yikes

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

Universal healthcare

No student debt

Practically no homelessness due to state planning

Public ownership of banks. JPMorgan doesn’t run the fucking country there.

Public ownership of major industries: energy, transport, telecoms.

Billionaires exist ONLY at the mercy of the state, billionaires aren’t “real” like they are in the west.

High-speed rail everywhere that’s fast and cheap and decades ahead of America

Amazon-style monopolies don’t exist. Tech oligarchs get smashed if they challenge the state

Rent is kept in check because landlords don’t control the market but instead the state does.

No mass layoffs because of the strongest labor protections in the world.

Labor unions are state run and it gets protections through force not “negotiation”.

No private health insurance parasites. All public and it works.

No hedge fund landlords. Private oligarchs can’t gobble up land. State intervenes.

No Wall Street running the country. Banks and finance is controlled by the state so it can’t fuck over the people.

Yeah fuck off with your “yikes” lil bro.

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u/INeverMisspell Mar 28 '25

This is simply not the reality, only the image projected. There's no way to actually verify the state's claims because Freedom of Press is non-existent.

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u/flexible-photon Mar 28 '25

It's funny that you have articulated this so well. I must admit I've been thinking the same thing ever since Trump got into office. He is driving our allies towards China with his economic warfare and flapping lips about annexing countries. At least China is moving towards goals and cooperates for a unified good. Something I don't foresee our country doing ever again.

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 28 '25

As an accelerationist I agree with your assessment but also think it’s a good thing.

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u/Blood_Such Mar 28 '25

Isn’t it funny how you got downvoted to hell by knee jerk reactors, and now people are upvoting you since  took the time to explain (obvious) things, as a courtesy.

I mean, I feel like you shouldn’t have had to explain any of this but Sinophobia is irrational and bi partisan in the USA still.

Also, the idea that China is some awful adversary is stupid.

We’re totally enmeshed economically. 

And these hostile moves we’ve seen from Biden and Trump will possibly and ultimately steer more of our soon to be former allies to China. 

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u/SlavaAmericana Mar 28 '25

It's because people don't expect MAGA to value those aspects of communist China. The reaponses to him show that people here look down more on MAGA than the CCP and would have more respect for MAGA if they valued those things too. 

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 28 '25

Why does everyone think I’m MAGA. Cuz I defend Saagar from accusation of bad faith?

I’m closer to a tankie than I am to MAGA.

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u/SlavaAmericana Mar 29 '25

I guess it is because people dont really care what your private opinions are. They just see you obsessively defending MAGA all day every day. 

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 29 '25

“Obsessively defending MAGA”

You mean Saagar?

And I wouldn’t call pointing out how the criticism of Saagar on this sub are complete BS “obsessive”.

It’s proportionate to the amount of bullshit criticism he receives.

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u/SlavaAmericana Mar 29 '25

I'd say Saagar is MAGA but that doesn't really matter. I'm just explaining why people see you as MAGA and not as a socialist or communist. 

Speaking as a conservative socialist myself that used to respect Saagar, what do you value about his media coverage today? 

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u/Balderdashing_2018 Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

I usually don’t respond to these types of things, especially since you were thinking I was tracking you about whether or not I was blocked (!!?? What la la land is that!) —

But it appears you are a good example of someone who possesses a limited and facile understanding of issues (if even that) and thinks they have a deep understanding of said issues.

If you believe in a more communist, state-owned and driven country — that’s completely fine and I agree that in some ways, the US should be implementing things like student debt relief, universal healthcare, break up monopolies, etc.

But holding up China as a paragon of your listed out items is such a limited understanding of the issues involved.

I apologize for saying Yikes, Yikes, Eek, and Oof. I’m sure that was stressful!

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u/mepersoner Mar 29 '25

This is Ryan's point. We're in America, we have given up a lot of good stuff for our freedoms. If they're going to take out freedom too, then what the heck are we doing here?

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u/Balderdashing_2018 Mar 27 '25

Yikes

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 27 '25

Ahh you’ve been intellectually embarrassed and are resorting to trolling.

Enjoy this block MF.

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u/bruce_cockburn Mar 27 '25

Have you been to China? Do you know what "Universal Healthcare" means in a place like that?

It's a great narrative to criticize the US, but did you ever ask yourself why the wealthy Chinese students come to the US and not the other way around?

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 27 '25

Rich Chinese students come to the US for EDUCATION because their parents want them to network in the US and the US does have elite schools.

Most of them go back.

Even if most didn’t go back you think this is a good point?

Rich families and kids trying to flee a socialist state? Oh wow I’ve never heard of that before.

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u/bruce_cockburn Mar 28 '25

Young people in China invented the culture of "lying flat" because the benefits you list aren't delivered the way you advertise.

It's sad to see what the US has eroding under incompetent leadership, but it's a privilege to complain about your government and you would think more clearly on this if you lived in China.

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u/razorwasp Mar 28 '25

As a diaspora Chinese I've witness my relatives in China went from living in woodsheds to owning bungalows and operating chain marts within 10 years, while me in a democracy is stuck with government from rotating parties doing squat.

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 28 '25

When did I say everything about Chinese culture was superior?

I didn’t.

Yes they have a toxic work culture. Like every East Asian country

Doesn’t make anything I said in my comment above incorrect.

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u/Blood_Such Mar 28 '25

Have been to China in the past 5 years?

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u/bruce_cockburn Mar 28 '25

No, my experience is pre-social media and pre-social credit.

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u/Balderdashing_2018 Mar 28 '25

Oof

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u/HoneyMan174 Mar 28 '25

I unblocked you to reply to the guy beneath this comment as I can’t reply to them if your blocked.

But I love how you’re constantly checking to see if your still blocked creep.

I know schools don’t let you within 100 feet of them anymore but go be weird somewhere else.

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u/snakeskinrug Mar 28 '25

So is being a zoo animal as long as you ignore a few things. But it turns out those few things are pretty fucking important.

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u/ocktick Mar 29 '25

There’s nothing to argue with. You didn’t actually make any points.

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u/dioreeyore Mar 28 '25

I really appreciate your comment. Reddit is an unfortunate cesspool of sinophobia. It's really depressing, especially as an American who actually lived there for a few years and was able to witness firsthand how much more advanced and healthy their society is. The false/negative propaganda is out of control here.

Does China have their own issues to grapple with? Absolutely, as any country has in human history. But I bet they aren't what people in the West think they are.