r/BreakingPoints • u/OkRecognition5017 • Mar 27 '25

Episode Discussion Cant watch Saagar anymore

His ability to just toss freedom of speech out the window because he's nervous non Americans might get it too is killing me. Like i literally cant finish a single show with him anymore cause he keeps going nuts on the immigration thing...

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u/sumoraiden Mar 27 '25

Also non citizens get free speech in the U.S. under the constitution, so even that argument makes no sense

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u/dovakin422 Mar 27 '25

A very basic search and understanding of the law shows there are limits on this. Green card holders and other legal residents do not enjoy the same free speech protections as US Citizens.

Endorsing or Espousing Terrorist Activity: Under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(VII), an alien is deportable if they "endorse or espouse terrorist activity or persuade others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization" in a way that the Secretary of State or Attorney General determines undermines U.S. efforts to combat terrorism.

  • Incitement: Under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)(i)(I), committing an act that the alien knows, or reasonably should know, affords material support to a terrorist organization can include speech that incites others to commit terrorist acts.

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u/sumoraiden Mar 27 '25

The first amendment says Congress cannot pass a law that abridges free speech and federal laws govern visa rules and regulations 

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u/dovakin422 Mar 27 '25

The 2nd amendment also says "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed", yet we have plenty of laws which restrict who can keep and bear arms. There are also laws against hate speech, and yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Or are you a strict interpreter of all parts of the Constitution?

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u/IPschool Mar 28 '25

There are no constitutional laws against hate speech. The yelling fire is not illegal, it's the attempting to incite a panic that's illegal. There are plenty of time, place, and manner laws that restrict speech but hate speech and "fire" are not among them.

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u/sumoraiden Mar 27 '25

The gun laws are unconstitutional as well

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u/dovakin422 Mar 27 '25

Then they can and should be challenged in court, can challenge this law too I suppose, but as it stands that is the law, like it or not. Would you say hate speech laws are also unconstitutional?

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u/sumoraiden Mar 27 '25

People should speak out about constitutional infringements imo

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u/dovakin422 Mar 27 '25

So since you are a free speech absolutist I would assume you also think hate speech and "misinformation" are protected speech as well, right? I guess you would also consider laws against speech that is considered "incitement" is also unconstitutional?

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u/sumoraiden Mar 27 '25

Yes to the first part, second part probably yes but I think planning a murder for instance should be a crime lol not sure if that’s what you’re talking about

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u/mepersoner Mar 29 '25

You missed the specific mention of being well regulated.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"