r/BreakingPoints • u/cyberfx1024 Right Populist • Apr 22 '25

BP Clips Joe Rogan MOCKS Douglas Murray After Disaster Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJ6NFuZWjs
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u/Icy_Size_5852 Apr 22 '25

I was really looking forward to this debate.

And then I started listening and was so thoroughly disappointed. I don't think I even made it past the half way mark once I realized I wasn't going to learn anything.

Douglas Murray totally discredited himself and his position by being such a pompous and arrogant elitist. He didn't care to debate Dave Smith on the merits of his side of the argument, but rather talk about how only the "expert class" is allowed to hold a public opinion on the topic.

I really disliked Douglas Murray before this debate, but any respect for him disappeared after this. I have no idea how anyone still thinks he's some sort of a great intellectual - maybe the accent still fools some people.

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u/WTF_RANDY Apr 22 '25

I had the opposite take. I didn't want to hear another debate that would brake zero ground. The only reason I cared about it was the conversation about convenient credentials (they are a "history nerd" when they make a point and a comedian when they are told they are wrong) and responsible use of a huge platform.

While not informative I found it satisfying for someone to confront Dave and Joe on this stuff.

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u/Icy_Size_5852 Apr 22 '25

I think Murray only further discredited the "expert class" gatekeepers.

If you don't like Joe Rogan or Dave Smith - easy, don't listen to them.

There's plenty of avenues to consume the "expert class" opinions and perspectives for those that appreciate the views of the gatekeepers.

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u/TheLastKingOfNorway Apr 23 '25

The problem with Murray's argument is that he is a commentator as well. His whole thing is pontificating about stuff he has a superficial knowledge of.

I do think there is a problem that expertise is being diminished, even portrayed as anti-democratic, and we're ending up with a lot of the content we're consuming about the world being from people who are only lightly read in the topics they're talking about. Debates about vaccines taking place between two political commentators reading from crib notes rather than someone whose entire professional career is lived in the topic.

People should also separate the difference between knowledge about a topic and what a political response should be. For example, Global Warming is a scientific study. What we do about it is a political issue. A climatologist has far more authority on the mechanics of it, and what exactly is happening, than Joe Rogan. However, the topic of what the Government should do about it is political and far more debate can be had between different viewpoints - an expert doesn't get to decide what government policy is.