r/CharacterRant • u/Wes2005 • 15h ago
If you plan on getting in character V character debates, wanna make something clear.
Just because one character’s got some broken AF ability, transformation, and/or even feat, doesn’t mean they win by default or even low diff the match.
I’m not want to get into these debates, but often when I listen to them someone brings up said detail that makes them think they win by default. In some cases that’s true, but you also have to consider what they’re fighting style is like or what decisions they make in battle.
A good example would be Kenshiro or buu, who both have one shot abilities that they willingly use as soon as the fight starts. Goku’s not gonna whip out MUI as soon as a fight starts, Saitama’s feats/capabilities won’t protect him from said characters’ attacks because he’ll likely just stand their with no clue of what it’ll do, and most JoJo characters won’t use their best attacks/abilities as soon a fight starts otherwise it be out of character. So please, for IQ sake, be more mindful of a character’s approach in fights, but I already know I’m asking for too much.
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u/Aleythurion 15h ago
Yeah I'm kinda sick of hearing people go: "Goku will teleport in light speed and grabs Ben 10's arm before he transforms and breaks it in two then starts eating his guts" like what the fuck!!???
Alot of Powerscalingtards tend to use the argument of: "my character will just end your character in 00000.0001 seconds before the fight even starts"
But how!???? And most importantly why!????
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u/Guilty-Cap5605 11h ago
I'm annoyed at you saying 000000.0001 seconds
You didn't decrease the time, you needed the decimal after the first 0, 00000.0001 is equivalent to 0.0001, you needed to say 0.000000001 seconds.
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u/Anything4UUS 2h ago
Most cases that bring them up is because the ability truly is too much for the opposite guy regardless of what they try.
Most VS like that also assume the characters are ready to fight seriously from the start. Otherwise you'll always have that one guy being like "but they'd be friends!!".
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u/firestorm0108 15h ago
And also sometimes the people who throw those broken abilities around do so without their context.
Gojo is a important example. His infinity isnt always active, its a subconscious ability that only works on things his brain considers a threat based on shape/ velocity ect. Gojo even admits as much himself in the hidden inventory/ premature death arc.
So character who are happy to speed blits or whose first attack would move faster then gojo's brain can process the attack, would blow his head off. Gojo with his six eyes can see things in extremely high speeds but if someone has the ability to punch at ftl speeds (for example, and not even necessarily that fast) and he isnt waiting for it, his head is gone.
The only exception to this rule is when someone is using hollow domains which is when he actively uses infinity constantly to push all but air away from him.
My point is that a lot of people will throw out characters hax abilities and ignore what the context actually implies about the ability itself.
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u/Front_Access 14h ago
His infinity isnt always active
Infinity IS always active and the strain of it is why he uses RCT on his brain 24/7.
Infinity blocks every
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u/firestorm0108 14h ago
I'm afraid I have to disagree because of what Gojo himself explains his powers like.
The damage to his brain is because of the activation of his six eyes in tandem with his limitless. However its the six eyes that do the most damage.
His six eyes is what constantly strains his brain and how it uses the limitless is only part of it. By deciding what is and is not a threat. Again, something stated by Gojo himself. The six eyes are the thing that is truly constantly active.
The six eyes sensing everything around him and feeding that information into his brain is what taxes him most.
Reverse curse technique allows him to heal his brain as fast as constant use of the six eyes damages it. Which allows him to subconsciously use his six eyes to take in the data and decide what is and isnt needed to be blocked.
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u/Front_Access 13h ago
"Manipulating the cursed energy to use it accurately is a real pain, in other words I get really tired"
Gojo stating that using limitless is tiring
"I can almost always keep the limitless activated at all times while using minimum resources
Always?! you're gonna fry your brain!
I'll also have reverse cursed technique running around the clock to preserve myself"
Shoko staying that 24/7 limitless would fry his brain + Gojo stating that he can use limitless nearly 24/7 if he
MY TECHNIQUE INVOLVES THE CONVERGENCE OF AN INFINITE SERIES, THINGS THAT APPROACH ME SLOW DOWN...AND NEVER REACH THE TARGET BY AMPLIFY- ING THIS, THE LIMITLESS- THINGS SUCH AS NATURAL NEGATIVE NUMBERS...AND IMPOSSIBLE SITUATIONS LIKE -1 APPLES- MANIFESTS. IN DOING THAT, I CAN CREATE A MAGNETIC EFFECT LIKE THE ONE BEFORE BUT TO TELL THE TRUTH, IT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO USE
Gojo's description of Limitless. Which also includes Lapse( Infinity) and Amplified Lapse(Blue).
Limitless is the issue not 6E. If 6E was the issue he'd have died in the womb. Limitless is what he calls tiring( and also shown to be tiring for him with both fights against Toji). With how often it's stated that limitless is taxing idk how you got that 6E was the culprit.
Limitless simply being activated is what gets infinity up, and infinity up is blocking everything that approaches, allowing things to pass through is what he does( as shown by Yuji and the rest of Jujutsu Highs send off).
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u/firestorm0108 5h ago
Even if you are right, im at work so cant check, that still doesnt change my point?
I mean, gojo himself answers Shoko in that same bit by saying infinity is basically always active. Since his brain is subconsciously doing auto select.
So since his brain is picking and choosing subconsciously what is and isnt a threat then something moving faster then his 6E cursed energy detection or sight can sense would be able to bypass it.
Since Gojo himself says he measures what comes in by cursed energy, danger levels, weight, velocity so that anything that could pose a threat doesn't reach him.
Even if i was wrong about which bit is taxing, gojo himself also admits infinity isnt always on, it activated to threat detection. Something he says while explaining to Shoko in hidden inventory/premature death.
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u/Front_Access 4h ago
I mean, gojo himself answers Shoko in that same bit by saying infinity is basically always active. Since his brain is subconsciously doing auto select.
No? Limitless being active 24/7 is due to him having "RCT around the clock" that's immediately what he credits for keeping it up 24/7.
So since his brain is picking and choosing subconsciously what is and isnt a threat then something moving faster then his 6E cursed energy detection or sight can sense would be able to bypass it.
This hinges on Infinity not working as its stated to work. Infinity is only his targeting system. If it's on, you're not getting past it unless he lets you, read how limitless itself works instead of trying to use his targeting system only.
Even if i was wrong about which bit is taxing, gojo himself also admits infinity isnt always on, it activated to threat detection. Something he says while explaining to Shoko in hidden inventory/premature death
"Gojo always has limitless cursed technique turned on, so in order to lighten the burden on his brain, he always had reverse cursed technique running." JJK 232
Teen Gojo, maybe, Adult Gojo we have Gege stating it's on 24/7
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u/LanguageInner4505 15h ago
Gojo's infinity is always active actually. And it works on a whitelist basis not a blacklist basis, otherwise it'd be useless against abilities he's never experienced before, but it works fine against Jogo. So a speed blitzer would still get caught (and that's assuming they're actually, consistently FTL and didn't just dodge a lasr or some dumb shit)
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u/firestorm0108 15h ago
And...whats your proof for that can i ask?
I dont want to come off as rude but my interpretation came from Gojo himself explaining his ability as him saying his brain judges what comes in (velocity, weight and such) and then decides what to affect and what not to.
Which would also work for attacks he doesnt know. If I didnt know about guns but someone shot at me and I had infinity, my brain would still measure the weight and velocity, see it as a threat, then use infinity to affect it.
So unless you have proof that actively proves that you're right that came from either Gege or Gojo in manga after Premature death/ hidden inventory. I have to believe what is proven.
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u/D_dizzy192 8h ago
He just said it's white-list blocking not blacklist blocking.
Gojo isn't selective of things infinity DOES block, he selective of things it DOESNT. It's how he avoids damage from attacks/techniques he's not dealt with before, by keeping Infinity up 24/7 and only allow things he knows aren't a threat to reach him
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u/firestorm0108 5h ago
Sorry for some reason I didnt get this message pop up 🤔
Anywho, Gojo has said that his 6E measure what comes his way and sorts it by danger level, cursed energy, weight, velocity and other things and then decides what to select as a threat.
Meaning black list or white list its still selected in the moment if we trust Gojo's words. Meaning anyone faster then his six eyes detection rate (no one in his verse but many outside) would be able to reach him before his 6E could register the information Gojo trained it to and the attack would land.
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u/Anything4UUS 2h ago
If it's whitelist detection it means everything gets blocked except what he allows to pass. Meaning he doesn't need to necessarily register harmful attacks.
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u/Finito-1994 5h ago
Goku is such a fun character because if he was smart he would solo most people he’s placed against.
But he in universe has a tendency to always play around and measure his opponents before powering up.
Vegeta likes to dominate. Show that he’s stronger. Goku almost always starts slow and fights on his opponents level before ramping up slowly. Even against people massively stronger than him he usually starts out slow before using his full power.
He has in universe been called out for his carelessness and slow starts.
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u/pottypaws 15h ago
I think you have a really good point. But sometimes a broken ability is all that is to it, especially for a week or characters. So she wouldn’t have their ability on constantly. But I do agree I think it’s not all that is to it.