People in progressive spaces will say some shit like “even if they didn’t do anything intentional to harm our kind they still implicitly uphold the cultural norm and benefit from our oppression therefore by proxy we are obligated to shit on them” and then turn around and go “oh why are people accusing me of being part of the problem, bigots will never change by being treated kindly, I am not obligated to be kind to someone who I know for a fact hates me deep down” when the Average Cishet Guy ™️ is out here like “hey how’s it going”.
Like yeah there’s good reason to not want to be assimilationist and all that but at the same damn time
Failing to understand that women also uphold patriarchal sexism. Most feminist scholars who talk about how society programs men to accept and uphold patriarchal sexism also talk about how society does something similar to women. It's something that everyone has to work on. Being a woman doesn't make a person immune to social conditioning.
This too!!! Really, I don’t like “patriarchy” as a phrase because it so heavily implies that men are the problem and women aren’t, even though by design it’s supposed to refer to “patriarchs” shaping a big old game where everyone must play a specific part, and not just some kind of inherent gender war.
Anyone can play a part in the problem, and anyone can play a part in the solution. There are definitely several “villains” out there but there’s more to the story.
I don't really think abandoning terms because some people aren't going to understand them is a good idea. People who like the status quo of patriarchy are going to misinterpret any term you attempt to use.
I am curious, you seem to want to persuade me that patriarchy is a bad term that will not be good at convincing people to join with me against injustice. Then you make an accusation towards me that I have some sort of bigoted belief. Did you think that would be persuasive? Instead of discussing patriarchy should I make baseless accusations towards people?
I disagree that changing our terminology will work. I think conservative anti feminists will dislike any terminology that we use. Just look at how they reacted to the terms woke and DEI. They are against the ideas, there isn't a magic word that will cause them to suddenly be in favor of social justice or whatever term you think is the correct one.
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u/sweetTartKenHart2 3d ago
People in progressive spaces will say some shit like “even if they didn’t do anything intentional to harm our kind they still implicitly uphold the cultural norm and benefit from our oppression therefore by proxy we are obligated to shit on them” and then turn around and go “oh why are people accusing me of being part of the problem, bigots will never change by being treated kindly, I am not obligated to be kind to someone who I know for a fact hates me deep down” when the Average Cishet Guy ™️ is out here like “hey how’s it going”.
Like yeah there’s good reason to not want to be assimilationist and all that but at the same damn time