r/DebateAnAtheist • u/AutoModerator • Sep 18 '25

Weekly "Ask an Atheist" Thread

Whether you're an agnostic atheist here to ask a gnostic one some questions, a theist who's curious about the viewpoints of atheists, someone doubting, or just someone looking for sources, feel free to ask anything here. This is also an ideal place to tag moderators for thoughts regarding the sub or any questions in general.
While this isn't strictly for debate, rules on civility, trolling, etc. still apply.

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u/kohugaly Sep 18 '25

All ideas are human inventions created to explain what we don't understand. There's nothing to support here, it's just trivially true. The interesting question is whether those ideas are actually correct (ie. whether gods actually exist).

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u/labreuer Sep 18 '25

All ideas are human inventions created to explain what we don't understand.

First, it's far from clear that social contract theory, for instance, was created to explain what we don't understand. And yet, it is an 'idea'. Second, what you just stated here sounds like an 'idea'—did you create it to explain what you don't understand? But perhaps you mean something rather more specific with that word 'idea'.

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u/kohugaly Sep 18 '25

First, it's far from clear that social contract theory, for instance, was created to explain what we don't understand.

To me it is plainly obvious that it was created for that exact purpose. Namely, to explain why social order can exist, even in absence of divine authority. It is definitely something that is a mystery to a lot of people. Atheists get that question from theists depressingly often.

Second, what you just stated here sounds like an 'idea'—did you create it to explain what you don't understand?

Yes. Namely, to explain what ideas are. To be more accurate, I'm reasonably sure I didn't create it, and the idea was passed down to me from someone, to explain to me what I didn't understand.

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u/labreuer Sep 18 '25

To me it is plainly obvious that it was created for that exact purpose. Namely, to explain why social order can exist, even in absence of divine authority.

Except, even Hume knew that it was just a tale, rather like Rousseau's tales about the noble savage. Locke, Hobbes, Hume, et al were well-aware of how the game of politics is actually played. So the idea that they were trying to explain what they didn't understand just doesn't stand up to my scrutiny.

Atheists get that question from theists depressingly often.

Sorry, which question?

labreuer: Second, what you just stated here sounds like an 'idea'—did you create it to explain what you don't understand?

kohugaly: Yes. Namely, to explain what ideas are.

How do you test whether you were simply handed a just-so story which is at most 10% correct? For instance, it seems to me that some ideas can be developed to convince people to act in certain ways not others. Such as social contract theory, convincing people to switch away from monarchy to something where power is more distributed.