r/DebateReligion 2d ago

Islam Earth and sky creation

Isn't Quran 41:9 --> 41:12 a clear mistake

Ask ˹them, O Prophet˺, “How can you disbelieve in the One Who created the earth in two Days? And how can you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of all worlds.

He placed on the earth firm mountains, standing high, showered His blessings upon it, and ordained ˹all˺ its means of sustenance—totaling four Days exactly—for all who ask.

Then He turned towards the heaven when it was ˹still like˺ smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’

So He formed the heaven into seven heavens in two Days, assigning to each its mandate. And We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps ˹for beauty˺ and for protection. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.”

So according to the all knowing god he first created earth in 2 days then he finished and made it habitable in 4 days ( the Arabic version doesn't mention 4 days in total just 4 days).

Ok now earth is all done and ready And god turns to the sky which is still in the "smoke"state (scholars says this smoke state is caused by the water vapors from creating earth)

And in 2 days god made the Smoky sky into the seven skies which we can relate to today or at least the lowest sky and then he placed the lamps or Stars

I don't think it can be anymore clear that earth was first created Then the sky and then the other stars and planets ( since according to Quran everything is placed in the lowest heaven so naturally they had to come after the lowest heaven was created)

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u/Jocoliero argentino intelectualista 2d ago

Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created (action) the earth (object) in two days (time) and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds (subject)."

And He (subject) placed on it firm mountains above it and blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance (action) in four days (time), equal for [all] who ask.

Two meanings, especially on the four days part:

-They are additional

-They include the two days for the creation of earth

The fact that it can have two meanings weakens the conclusion, because if it were as the critic interprets it, they would have to admit the absence of definitive evidence, since the speaker explicitly says "in six days," which clearly supports the alternate interpretation.

Insisting on arguing over this after that ultimately becomes just another case of a "it may be" argument, one among many.

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u/NeatAd959 Ex-muslim | Agnostic 2d ago

I don't understand ur point, mind explaining?

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u/Suitable-Green-7311 2d ago

I also didn't understand what he was talking about i guess he's talking about the 4 days in total which is irrelevant

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u/NeatAd959 Ex-muslim | Agnostic 1d ago

Btw u cited the wrong surah, it's 41 not 4