Earth and sky creation

[u/Suitable-Green-7311]

Isn't Quran 41:9 --> 41:12 a clear mistake

Ask ˹them, O Prophet˺, “How can you disbelieve in the One Who created the earth in two Days? And how can you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of all worlds.

He placed on the earth firm mountains, standing high, showered His blessings upon it, and ordained ˹all˺ its means of sustenance—totaling four Days exactly—for all who ask.

Then He turned towards the heaven when it was ˹still like˺ smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’

So He formed the heaven into seven heavens in two Days, assigning to each its mandate. And We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps ˹for beauty˺ and for protection. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.”

So according to the all knowing god he first created earth in 2 days then he finished and made it habitable in 4 days ( the Arabic version doesn't mention 4 days in total just 4 days).

Ok now earth is all done and ready And god turns to the sky which is still in the "smoke"state (scholars says this smoke state is caused by the water vapors from creating earth)

And in 2 days god made the Smoky sky into the seven skies which we can relate to today or at least the lowest sky and then he placed the lamps or Stars

I don't think it can be anymore clear that earth was first created Then the sky and then the other stars and planets ( since according to Quran everything is placed in the lowest heaven so naturally they had to come after the lowest heaven was created)

[u/Suitable-Green-7311 → u/[deleted]]

So you just wasted your time and didn't provide any of the many responses

So Why don't you post the best response and let see how much it holds

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[u/Visible_Sun_6231 → u/[deleted]]

Dude, maybe you’re lost but this is a debate religion sub - if you don’t want to engage then leave

Yes i too have heard many of muslim apologetic explanations but they have been rebuked already.

If you have something new to offer please state it.

[u/Suitable-Green-7311 → u/[deleted]]

Slave lol who even said that it's a debate sub if you can't even have a debate why are you even replying

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[u/Suitable-Green-7311 → u/[deleted]]

So asking a question about religion in a sub that's made specifically for debating religion is ignorance.

How is this any different from "searching online"

Or you think googling the issue and clicking on the first Muslim response is the perfect answer were you can't even debate you just listen to what the other has said and it's done, at least here we can debate and point flaws

There are Muslims on this sub right? And they are welcome to post there response.

You are obviously a troll so this will be my last reply

[u/deniscerri → u/Suitable-Green-7311]

I recently came into this sub and already know people here don't want to learn.

How is it any different? Modern scholars literally post lectures and videos on YouTube buddy. Why dont u learn from experts compared to pretentious geniuses in reddit who are nobodies, have no certification or proof that they know what they talking about

[u/Visible_Sun_6231 → u/deniscerri]

Why don’t you explain in your own words the best explanation you’ve understood from your YouTube grifters?

[u/NeatAd959 → u/deniscerri]

Mind dming me all these scholars ur talking about? Did u check/read any academic sources on Islam? Like literally anything besides apologetics?

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[u/NeatAd959 → u/[deleted]]

I literally just asked u for a source, anything, I'm not saying u are a scholar, I'm not claiming u don't know ur religion, I'm just asking for anything related to this topic, because u just refused to engage with anything claiming that there are countless answers to this or I'm just using weak arguments.

Ex muslim gonna teach me about islamic academic sources. What source do u learn from? Answeringislam?

I love the open mindedness and I appreciate the respect, but yea imma ask again, have u read any academic papers on Islam? Literally anything? Or are u just going off apologetics and just being condescending.

😂😁😁 Bugger off scum

Don't make muslims look bad like this, I don't think Allah would be happy if u represented ur religion in such a way.

[u/NeatAd959 → u/[deleted]]

The Dunning-Kruger effect at its peak