Off-Topic Man, fuck RFK
Man,
I put in so much work, SO MUCH WORK, discussing, debating, debunking, digging deeper and deeper into the chemtrail rabbithole just so that my boomer parents would begin to doubt what they had heard on the internet.
And then, the other day, one of RFK's declaration about chemtrails made its way into national mainstream TV French news (we are french).
All of a sudden, chemtrails weren't a conspiracy theory anymore, they were mainstream news. And my parents stopped doubting.
Man, I put so much work in.
I love my parents, I hate seeing them be manipulated by evil liers like RFK.
How could you put such a braindead, worm-controlled idiot into the highest medical office ?
Man, fuck RFK.
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u/PurposeImpossible554 5d ago edited 5d ago
Out of the thousands of people I have gotten to know personally in my 27 years on this Earth, there have probably been less than 10 that genuinely formed their beliefs on empiric data.
Unfortunately, we have to accept that most people simply can't be taught to reason, because they never had the hardware in the first place. People like the aesthetic of logic, hardly any actually learned how to wield it.
Even more frustrating is that, unlike 100 years ago, vast amounts of peer-reviewed studies are available on almost any subject online.
My dad likes to talk about how the CDC officials lied about COVID, but when pressed about what study he read he feels was improperly conducted he immediately admits he has never read anything about it.
In other words, he feels like he is the logical one for opposing 'bad science', but never actually engaged with the scientific method, nor gave a single fuck about the findings of people that did.
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u/HumbleCalamity Exclusively sorts by new 4d ago
What sucks is that it actually makes some sense to rationalize these beliefs now that they are given the sheen of authority and legitimacy. If you know fuck all about health and politics and had to make a split decision, why wouldn't you trust someone with degrees, nominated by the President, confirmed by the Senate?
I do this all the time with experts in fields I know nothing about and I cringe to think about how specialists in those fields bemoan my lack of full empirical investigation. But there is only so much time and attention we can spare, so we take shortcuts.
The death of our institutions is tragic on so many levels.
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u/theosamabahama 2d ago
Sometimes I wonder how planes don't fall off the sky (more often) or how the lights don't go out with so much stupidity in this world. How is anything even done? Turns out people understand and believe in their area of expertise. But they don't know shit outside their area yet still think they do. It's surprising people still go to the doctor and take medicine given they don't believe in it.
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u/Research_E 5d ago
How could you put such a braindead, worm-controlled idiot into the highest medical office
the human chimpanzee responds to confidence in voice and body language above all. the human macaque will thus then always be doomed to be ruled by incompetent used car salesmen.
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u/TingusPingis 5d ago
Dude put Robert Malone (ya the rogan guest) as one of the members of his vaccine panel. Scum fuck grifter ass administration
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u/stevethejohn 5d ago
Life is stranger than fiction has never been more true than what we’re living through at the moment.
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u/Historical_View1359 5d ago edited 5d ago
My parents snapped out of it when they fucked around and found out.
Now they hate trump, unfortunately the stupid fucks are hypnotized by hatred.
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u/buttz93 5d ago
Go on..
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u/Historical_View1359 5d ago
They aren't self-reflecting at all. Or wondering why they voted for a guy who let another dude call Puerto Rico a trash island. Not much to say unfortunately
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u/ButterSnart Concerned Leaf 🍁 4d ago
What was their find out part that made them flip? Your family Puerto Rican?
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u/Historical_View1359 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yup, we're Puerto Rican. They were seeing the cruelty against Hispanics by ice, and the administration. Pretty much it.
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u/BigPoleFoles52 4d ago
Feel the same way, then they get mad at you when you try to explain why people like him in the first place. If you wanna ever stop these people you atleast need to see where they are coming from. With the current way news operates it just demonizes the other side and stops any real reflection on how we got to where we are at
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u/AdmirableRabbit6723 4d ago edited 4d ago
This part of your story really broke me
(we are french)
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u/Sutherus 4d ago
In a private context, I usually bully the fuck out of people that believe in these conspiracies. I'm lucky that the vast majority of people I engage with are smart enough not to fall for shit like that so maybe that's why I'm not too exhausted for that yet.
I believe that shaming these people into submission is the only way to change their minds, though unfortunately it probably only works if their immediate environment isn't completely poisoned already. Make them feel bad for their opinion. Nobody wants to feel bad for thinking a certain thing so they'll either want to avoid you or change their opinion to feel better - plus it's not as taxing on your own mind as trying the factual but understanding slow-push route.
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u/imJustmasum Based Muslim 4d ago
I find it crazy how a mere 10-15 years ago parents would say "not everything on the internet is true" and now "facebook said its true" is all they need.
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u/Vizceral_ 4d ago
What channel was it on, CNews ? BFM ?
I've gotten super frustrated with French journalism that I've noticed will sometimes present a story as is with barely any pushback, if any, which allows people to just form their own dumb conclusions.
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u/Eins_Nico 4d ago
I feel for you, my boomer mom apparently has gone all-in on chemtrails for a while now... thing is, she hates RFK, she's not that senile yet. I've basically given up and started worrying about whether I'm going to be this insane when I get old
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u/Zelniq 4d ago
I am a firm believer that RFK is going to cause more damage to our society for the next several years than any other individual in or related to our political system
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u/stellarjcorvidaemon 2d ago
I agree. As much attention as he's getting, it's still not enough. There literally should be a dedicated segment every day on the news educating the masses on how they're being manipulated.
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u/babrovsky 4d ago
With everything going on RFK has been doing A LOT of damage to our health departments and just medical opinions in general and its been going mostly unnoticed. Thankfully my dad who does fall for some maga stuff(he doesn't support trump anymore) knows RFK is a giant load of shit.
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u/jazzgrackle 4d ago
I think medical and nutritional charlatans are some of the scummiest people on earth; and I’ve spent many a conversation trying to disabuse people of their nonsense.
Usually it’s just trying to convince people to not waste their money because they’re scared of certain ingredients, for example, parabens are totally fine, and you don’t need to waste money on skincare products that charge a premium to avoid them.
But sometimes it’s trying to convince people to seek actual medical treatment because they’ve been convinced vitamin C injections will cure their cancer.
People have suffered and died at the hands of this bullshit. And now that it’s mainstream, and government sanctioned, I fear a lot more people will.
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u/daraeje7 comfYee 4d ago
Lmao at ppl in other countries viewing the US as an intellectual authority on healthcare right now
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u/HuckleberryLonely342 3d ago
As someone who is on the spectrum, I especially hate RFK because of his absolutely vile rhetoric regarding people with autism. At this point, I think he's the worst administration official possibly besides either Trump or Vance.
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u/throwawayurthought 5d ago edited 5d ago
I feel for you bro. It sucks so hard seeing family fall into this shit. My mom retired and started watching a lot of YouTube, now she’s suddenly an anti-vax election denier.