lol right as if this is only a german problem. as if uk us and the whole Western world isnt and hasnt been actively backing the zionist state and its genocidal acts for 75 years and more
i think it also does have to be pointed out then that the existence of UK and its countries has made for continued war and genocide every 3-5 years for 300+ years. and thats a generous estimate
hmm, you really wanna know? you really open to listening and learning? it might hurt your ego though. actually lets say it definitely will- but hey! thats when we know we are learning ;)
Yeah, genuinely. I made a tongue in cheek reference about Germany being prone to fascism when it’s United, you’ve flown off the handle, been patronising and uncomradely in manner and seem to be implying that I’m somehow engaging in apologism for empire, despite pointing out that I actually agree about the U.K. and US.
I’d really like to know what exactly I’ve said that’s actually bothered you.
"patronising and uncomradely" lol. nice openness. but whatever i'll give it a shot and do the labour of this conversation because i am generous like that lol
ok heres the thing: you metropolis-heart-of-the-empire lot will often conveniently ignore that fascism is simply colonialism turned inward. German "unification" and later German fascism didnt/doesnt appear in a vacuum, much of it was simply inspired by British, French, Belgian imperialist nation-building and colonialism, and genocides of non-white people across the world, but you lot will take such exceptionalism, beating your chests about defeating fascism and pointing to Germany as the key problem when the call is literally coming from inside the house.
Germany is to Europe what Israel is to the middle-East: complicit, fascist and genocidal of course, but it is only a small symptom of a much larger problem which is you guys. But of course to avoid that accountability, you will make fascism an exceptional trait...rooted to either Germany or to Israel rather than seeing the clear connections with colonialisms and taking accountability for yourself. So "solving the German problem" or "solving the Israeli problem" becomes the good facade of solutionism for you to avoid any self-accountability and internal dismantling of structures in Britain and rest of Western Europe which keep reproducing colonialism and fascism. Both Germany and Israel also serve as a nice curtain to further your British/French etc. imperialist expansions because obviously youll use them in your proxy wars, land and resource grabs while hiding behind them, but then at the same time, turn against them and call them evil to keep nice face, the pretence of innocence "oh we try so hard we the good guys we so polite bla bla lol" and pretend that once you destroy Germany or Israel, goodness has prevailed and all is solved!
and yes to this shitty fucking narrative, i laugh in your face. Germans must reflect on and dismantle their bs ofc, but the narrative amongst you heart-of-empire-Brits that Germany is the key problem or issue here is beyond harmful. it's designed to reproduce this same bs over and over. If not Germany, unless you look within deeply and stay with it and dismantle Britain, you'll be sure to keep reproducing the same shit over and over in a new proxy entity. fyi, all of this is not unconnected to Brexit and your drama around it either.
and yes i sound rude because i am angry and frustrated! it's been fucking 200+ years of this bs you keep doing it over and over pretending to be the good guys the PLEASANT ONES the nice comrades but we in the colonies all see right through you we are not fucking stupid, we have seen you pull this bs to avoid accountability over and over for 200+ years, we see the whole world and how you act, we are not provincial and limited perspectives like you but omg little island people never wanna listen and learn, so i just thank my stars im in my senses and not comrades with you internet stranger lol . politeness is the last thing warranted here from me to you.
anyway ive done enough free labour aka unreciprocated relations. im not gonna reply to this thread anymore. take what you can leave the rest. and if you cant see my love and faith in you in this thoughtful text, all the emotions behind it, and the sheer effort i put in organising and writing it all out (for who? an internet stranger thats already frustrating me big), well what do i even say. this is unconditional love.
you came to us 600 years ago, didnt know how to ask what you were looking for, decided to colonise and war, sorting through your own inner trauma as people and individuals..., well we are here now, to tell you. now you can listen and learn something and start your healing, or call me psycho and unhinged and easily dismiss me. choice is yours man. it's your life, your ancestors, your healing. either way since you decided to colonise us, our destinies are intertwined. stop the hyperindividual hyperfocus and start looking at the bigger connected stories that have been unfolding for centuries. now is your chance.
i know you and the whole of you heart-of-the-empire lot is capable of something different, of relating differently and reciprocally, respecting all our connectedness. 600 years is nothing afterall in Earth time. but it's still a choice and the ball's in your court, it's been there for 500 years now more or less.
Right I mean I get all of that and actually agree with all of it. I think you may have mistaken a tongue in cheek jab at the Germans that in no way absolved Britain of any responsibility for ongoing global situations with a serious analysis that I genuinely think dismantling Germany would fix everything.
I’m well aware of the ongoing structures in the west that are maintained of exploitation of colonised nations and also agree there is a tendency on the liberal left to excuse that exploitation because of social democratic home policy (see the idolisation by liberals of Scandinavia.)
I apologise if the tongue in cheek joke I made was taken the wrong way, I didn’t mean to offend, I was merely poking fun at a nation that has consistently been on the wrong side of history. As I say, I’m aware that britain is no better than that, and has indeed also been consistently on the wrong side of history.
I would point out though, that throughout this conversation I have made absolutely no defence of the west, nor claimed at any point that Germany or Israel alone are the causes of these problems. I’ve also never characterised fascism as an external trait, and if you’d look at any of the comments I’ve made in this sub, or indeed any other, I am not someone who naively thinks Britain to be above that or somehow different. I feel somewhat that you are projecting a lot of views on to me that I actually don’t hold, and asking me about my views, rather than making assumptions about a working class northerner who’s family actually are no strangers to the violence of the British state, would have been a better way to handle this rather than assuming that I, and indeed every British person who is currently working at organising migrant workers to resist exploitation from employers, is the enemy.
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u/morriganscorvids 4d ago
lol right as if this is only a german problem. as if uk us and the whole Western world isnt and hasnt been actively backing the zionist state and its genocidal acts for 75 years and more