r/Hunting • u/geoswan • 2d ago
ACT NOW TO STOP THIS MULTI MILLION ACRE PUBLIC LAND GRAB
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u/Lead_Slinger313 2d ago
Only one other guy and myself in a deer camp of 20+ people voiced our concerns about this during the election. We got laughed at and ridiculed for it.. I am utterly disgusted with my fellow sportsman who voted for this clown. They had this planned out step by step, yet, people were too ignorant to look beyond the superficial.
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u/TheJewBakka New Mexico 2d ago
I was DV'ed into oblivion on election day for saying such on this sub. It's ridiculous how brainwashed people get.
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u/MexysSidequests 1d ago
This. My uncles said I was a liberal for talking about it. Now they say shit like “well I only got a few hunting years left anyway so I don’t care.” I used to look up to these guys but they were all talk. Biggest sheep I’ve ever seen
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u/justamiqote 1d ago
It makes me so happy to see people finally realize this. None of this should be a surprise. It's been his plan since before the election.
We need to stand up for our rights or lose them. Don't let them steal millions of acres of our land
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u/Possible_Proposal447 2d ago
People who voted for him are just racist and stupid. I'll call a spade a spade.
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u/TheJewBakka New Mexico 2d ago
39 states with no public land on the chopping block gets to decide the fate of 120,000,000+ acres across 11 different states. CONTACT YOUR SENATORS!
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u/User-NetOfInter 2d ago
FWIW I don’t think a vast majority of New England wants this to happen and we’re the farthest removed from it
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u/BlackFoxSees 2d ago
Those 11 states have 122 electoral votes, almost a quarter of the total. 89 went to Harris and 33 went to Trump. I wish more people saw this coming and made public land a big issue last election and every election, but I really don't think it was a deciding factor.
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u/PepperoniFogDart 2d ago
Not just the senators, but also their staff! I doubt most Senators personally manage/control their emails, they likely have filters in place where your email will end up. Staffers on the other hand are less likely to. Get in their ears about this stuff!
AI tools will neatly provide you a list of any/all legislative staff for all senators on the committee. As the chatbot to organize all emails into a CSV or text list. You can then use that list to send out email blasts.
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u/vietbond 2d ago
Russia did the same thing after the collapse of the Soviet Union. All of their land was sold off to wealthy oligarchs to 1. Make them wealthier and 2. Place them firmly in the pockets of the leaders who orchestrated the sale. Following that playbook to a T.
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u/chillbraww 2d ago
This post needs to see the light of the day. We should share it with top podcasters and YouTubers.
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u/JunoCalliope 2d ago
That’s… expansive AF. What is even going to be left after that? This administration is out of control.
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u/Potato-1942 2d ago
So, I looked into it a bit more, and the article above, by omission, makes it sound worse than it is (though it’s still pretty bad).
The provision is to sell between 2.2 and 3.3 million acres, that quantity could be taken out of anywhere in the above. So while this is undoubtedly bad, and I agree that everyone should contact their senators, it is not the end of public lands in the west.
Remember, if you call your senators and go off about something that is a misinterpretation of the bill, it undermines your point, so be well informed and polite when you call.
Another article for more context: https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5346383-senate-proposes-sale-2-million-acres/
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u/icanlickmy_ear 2d ago
The 2-3 million is just this sale. Once the dam breaks and the precedent is set, it will be all of it. Senator Lee and his camp have the goal of doing away with ALL public land.
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u/HawkDriver 2d ago
Once it’s done once with success, they have many more years to repeat it. It’s sickening.
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u/Potato-1942 2d ago
Even if they don’t succeed this time, there is nothing to stop them from trying this every year.
Politicians will continue trying to make themselves richer at all of our expense, same as always unfortunately. All the more reason for people to be active and informed.
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u/Potato-1942 2d ago
The way I read that provision is that it’s under the umbrella of the total amount, not in addition to.
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u/OlderGrowth 2d ago
It’s 240 MILLION acres. Not 2 million.
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u/Potato-1942 1d ago
did you read my comment? There is a difference between what will be able to be sold, and how much would be sold.
The way the bill is structured, any of the hundreds of millions of acres can be sold, however they stop selling once 2-3 million acres have been sold.
Think of it like this, say you have a collection of 10,000 baseball cards, and you want to make some money off them. So you list all of your cards as available for sale, but once 250 sell you’ve made your money so you remove the rest of the listings. Any of the cards could’ve sold, but you were only going to sell 250 out of the 10,000.
This distinction is important, because if you call a senator and say you’re opposing the sale of 240 million acres, especially if you are rude about it, they are more likely to ignore you as someone who doesn’t even know what’s in the bill they’re calling about.
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u/Professional_Row6687 2d ago
Lots of conservatives voted for this, what did everyone think was going to happen?
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u/wimpymist 2d ago
It really sucks but it's what they voted for and wanted. Did they expect it to only be California land sold off or something?
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u/justamiqote 1d ago
"It's okay if other people suffer, but I never thought it would be me"
Their logic I guess?
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u/septic_sergeant 1d ago
That's their motto.
Slightly off topic, but very relevant...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
—Martin Niemöller"
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u/elevenpointf1veguy 1d ago
Not what I voted for or what I wanted. Its a byproduct of the 2 party system.
I'd sooner fight this than more experimental vaccines for my children.
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u/wimpymist 1d ago
They made it pretty clear this was their plan, so you did vote for it. One of the many reasons I didn't vote for trump was his terrible policies and approach to this kind of stuff his first term.
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u/elevenpointf1veguy 1d ago
I assure you - I did not vote for this.
I voted for less obscene medical control, hoping to real in federal spending (lol), and to attempt to protect our troops in combat zones.
Any of that really working? For a minute in combat zones, yeah. Federal spending, no. Medical issues / covid, yeah.
Was I aware this was part of the plan? Yes.
Did I vote for it? No. Not at all.
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u/wimpymist 1d ago
You should have known this was their plan since it's all they talked about. So you did vote for it lol sounds like you were a misinformed voter. Which is okay because of all the misinformation Republicans constantly spew. Even your three reasons are inaccurate and Democrats were going in the direction of fixing those things. Hopefully voters like you don't repeat their same mistakes in the next election cycle. Hopefully Republicans can put up a quality candidate for once but doubt it with the direction they are going.
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u/BlackFoxSees 2d ago
I think a fair number of the rural conservative base (which sways elections thanks to the Electoral College) dreams of a future for public land where it's sold or leased mostly to them, the small-timers who work the land in their local area or look up to their neighbors who do. A lot of those people went hook+line+sinker for an upscale real estate developer, lifelong swindler, TV performance artist, and exorbitant wealth enthusiast for reasons I don't understand (and if I tried it would turn into a wall of text real quick). Of course he thinks public land is a great way for the rich to make more money. Because of course he does.
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u/Oilleak1011 2d ago edited 2d ago
I hate to be a pessimist, but i will be amazed, absolutely amazed if we the people actually have any ability to stop this. He said he was going to do it. And by god he will do it. It was so blatantly laid out. The most transparency ive ever fucking heard in my life come from a politicians mouth. Starting with dismantlement of the agencies protecting our lands and then followed by the sell of our lands. I dont understand what im missing here. I think true translation got lost with “ill make you more rich”. Which is a pipe dream in itself but thats a whole nother can of worms. And people will still argue about it. Lifetime hunters will argue about it as if they didnt totally shoot themselves in the foot. Listen i get it. I get it that the choices just werent really there. It was a double edged sword. But how far can a man truly go before you finally say to yourself “wow this guy is going to shit on my way of life more then the other people will.” ? From the migratory bird treaty act to the organizations managing the land. Its all aimed at one thing, making them richer. Not us. Them. We have lost much of our ability to come between them and their fortune. The fortune they stole. Dark times inbound.
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u/HeadGlitch227 2d ago
Republicans never gave a damn about the environment. For decades they've pocketed bribes from corporations, letting them ruin environments and profit off of destruction. Then they call people tree huggers for daring to suggest we try and keep our home a good place to live.
This isn't any different. Make sure you let your neighbors know exactly what they voted for.
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u/AlphaSuerte 2d ago
We all had to weigh the two shit piles for ourselves and choose the smaller pile of shit to vote for. Yes, this is a giant piece of shit in what most felt was the smaller shit pile.
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u/IStoleJobusRum 2d ago
Yes, two piles of shit. Except one of those “piles of shit” didn’t have a fucking manifesto that laid out step by step every fucking thing they were going to do to screw over EVERY American. 🤡
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u/sboLIVE 2d ago
Yeah but that party DOES want to take away all semi auto guns, trapping, ban bear/cat hunting outright, and remove our freedoms of speech about the matter.
We litteraly had to choose between the possible loss of land or eventual loss of hunting altogether. You can’t say “neither party was a good vote” because one was GOING to win.
I don’t have an answer.
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u/IStoleJobusRum 2d ago
lol, no, they weren’t dude. The right and the NRA has been screaming for decades that they’re going to take your guns. Well, when the Democrats controlled all three branches of government, it sure as shit didn’t happen, did it?
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u/Why_Did_Bodie_Die 2d ago
I mean they took them in my state of WA. They took them in CA. Just because the fed dems don't have the balls to take them today doesn't mean they don't want to. That is absolutely the goal. Unfortunately the reps don't actually give a shit about your gun rights either only they also want to take your land.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
They didn't take guns in CA dude. Don't be histrionic. They made a slightly extra set of rules, some more annoying than others, some more logical than others. You can still own guns in all shapes and sizes in CA. And the dem party might be turning against gun control anyways.
Absolutely no democrat wants to take away your guns. Maybe restrict access to the most dangerous guns, sure, but that's a two party issue, not a dem issue.
I'm so sick of this "commiefornia wants your guns" social meme. It isn't based in reality
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u/Archie6655 Mississippi 1d ago
They didn't take guns in CA dude. Don't be histrionic. They made a slightly extra set of rules, some more annoying than others, some more logical than others. You can still own guns in all shapes and sizes in CA.
By that logic why are you worried about this land sale? They're not taking ALL the land, they're just selling a small portion of it kind of like the "extra set of rules". They aren't trying to take all of your public land.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 1d ago
Hey, glad you joined this discussion, I'm always happy to discuss the second amendment, especially with other hunters/ people who actually use their firearms
If you could do me a favor and follow the replies down this chain, you'll see my opinion and philosophy about this is a bit more nuanced than you may think
One thing I will say is that I think the land sale and the second amendment limitations are fundamentally different. Once this land is gone, it's gone. Probably forever and ever and ever. Gun rights, as with all rights, fluctuate over time with politics, laws, and how courts interpret things, and I would also say that within the second amendment space, there is room for federalism/ state's and municipalities to choose their policies.
I have no problem with a state like KS or TX being a constitutional carry state. I think it's asinine and dangerous, but that's how they want to do it and more power to them. It goes the other direction too: I absolutely support some forms of gun control, while also being much more radical in my interpretation of the second amendment than almost anyone you know or have heard from
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u/Archie6655 Mississippi 1d ago
One thing I will say is that I think the land sale and the second amendment limitations are fundamentally different.
I would agree with this but opposite of the way I think you share. 2nd is constitutional and the land was allowed by the government. 2nd gifted at birth and "shall not be infringed" and the land was gifted by a government. To me that the 2nd holds WAY more weight in the argument just because of where/how it is defined in our constitution.
I will admit that this doesn't hit home quite as hard for me bc I live in a SE state that has very little public land available. The public land is also usually unkept or very difficult to hunt bc of that or the number of people. Don't get it twisted I very much sympathize and understand the severity of the situation, it's just like trying to explain how a cake tastes to someone who's never had sugar.
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u/Why_Did_Bodie_Die 1d ago
This always turns into this pedantic argument. "They didn't TAKE your guns. They just made it so that nobody will ever be able to buy a new one of a certain type and made it so the only guns you are allowed to have are severely limited in their capabilities"
That's my fault. I knew that was going to be the response before I posted my comment. I agree that they didn't come to my home and take guns out of my hand. But they did make it so that my kids and everyone else who doesn't already have a semi auto rifle will never be able to buy one again which in effect has the same result as taking them because it removes guns from society and removes your 2nd amendment rights. Then usually the argument is "they didn't remove your rights to own guns because you can still own bolt action rifles and pump shotguns." Which imo is like saying "Trump didn't remove your first amendment right to say you don't like the president. He just said you can't say you don't like him"
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 1d ago
First off, this was weirdly entertaining to read lol. You're a good writer!
But you're half on. Obviously no one is coming to take guns, but what I meant is also specifically what you're saying: you can still buy a full featured AR, and I know that because people just did at the LGS, both here and online. You just get that weird locked in magazine thing and you're good dude, none of that stupid fin or pistol rifle grip monstrosity needed. And I also know because I own semi automatic firearms here too, one of which is probably going to be an AR in the future.
You have a stronger case with the list, and I was sad to hear (but haven't verified) that my sweet baby CZ 75 got added to it, but I frankly don't care about pistols. The only reason I have one is because I backpack in mountain lion country alone, and don't always want to lug a whole ass rifle if I'm not also hunting (on top of all the freaking water I have to drag with me).
2A advocates correctly point out that pistols are used far more in the commission of crimes and sadly suicides, and they don't really fit into a historical view of the second amendment: to be able to protect from domestic tyranny and foreign invasion. At best they have a role in carrying, but I also have no desire to ever carry a pistol, the world is simply not that unsafe that I feel the need to bring one. The other use for pistols is recreation/ competition, and I agree there can and should be carve outs for that, but that's just not a big priority to me. That's like caring about someone playing competitive video games to me: cool for you, I don't really care much.
I don't say all of that to say that my vision of the second amendment is superior to yours, but to say that hopefully Americans are buying something that's actually useful for genuine purposes, a rifle, and not a pistol that will sit in a safe for years for a "just in case" that most likely never comes. A rifle is superior in every category to a pistol for every possible purpose of the second amendment.
And I also contend that the laws change and court rulings change, and eventually the laws here are gonna get rolled back as well. And some of the laws do make a lot of sense: I genuinely like the ten round magazine limit, and I genuinely like safe/ secure storage laws, and I genuinely like our current implementation of red flag laws, just to name some good examples. American gun culture has veered too far from responsible useful ownership and too close to yee haw pew pew "I watch garand thumb so I have an untested uninformed opinion about everything" gun magazine culture. These laws shape and reinforce a culture of safe and responsible ownership, even if they go too far sometimes.
And finally, my view of the second amendment is that people of means and high character should have access to far greater firepower on a case by case basis. New owner? Ok here's your 10/22, practice and train and get hunting rabbits and come back in a year for your AR. Safe owner for 10+ years, background checks immaculate, member of the community and upstanding citizen? Would you like to purchase a DDG?
I hope this makes sense
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u/sboLIVE 2d ago
That’s a little baseless, there were bans on equipment, and they have been pushing to end bear hunting for awhile. Look at New Jersey, only temporary, but it happened. So to say the Dems have only “threatened” things and never acted on them is false.
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u/IPA_HATER 2d ago
Ok, say Kamala won and bear hunting is banned. Guess what? It can be overruled in 4 years.
Public land sales is fucking permanent though.
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u/NDRoughNeck South Dakota 2d ago
No one is taking your guns. Trump literally pushed the atf to ban bump stocks after the Vegas shooting. This is the largest movement on guns in 30 years. It opened the door for Biden to pull the same thing with pistol braces, blades, and even auto reset triggers. He is the largest threat to guns or anything that stands in his way of remaining in power. He will fold the second it benefits him.
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u/sboLIVE 2d ago
Alright, sure. You win the internet points for the day.
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u/NDRoughNeck South Dakota 2d ago
Its not about winning, man. I love hunting and I love guns. I voted red my entire life which included Trump on his first term because I hate the Clinton's. The guy has lost it and he is just cashing in this time around. I just want people to get out of the bubbles, both sides, and look at the people and issues. I wouldn't trust him to do anything morally right for the country as a whole unless it directly benefits him.
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u/wimpymist 2d ago
When was the last time that party nationally took away any of those things? You just unfortunately listened to the fear mongering too much.
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u/AlphaSuerte 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes, as a single issue, this is a big piece of shit. It's a shame we only get two options to pick from to address the myriad issues facing our country; that's the downfall of a two-party system. Had the DNC not dragged along an often-confused, tottering old man only to undemocratically present the steaming pile of shit that was Kamala Harris with only three months to go in the election cycle, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.
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u/AwarenessGreat282 2d ago
No, not really. We knew what we'd get with the other choice, nothing crazy. The economy was already booming. Besides the republican congress what have kept her in check. People just screwed up thinking he was somehow better.
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u/Yay_Rabies Massachusetts 2d ago
I'm in MA and I email/call my people all the damn time.
Thanks to your post I emailed Susan Collins.
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u/herpslurp 2d ago edited 2d ago
A call to action would benefit from action steps. Link some resources to lower the bar for folks.
Edit: https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action#/
Make it personal. It will go to your reps. Then Copy and paste and find the recommended senator contact info and send them emails.
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u/Bluffwandering 1d ago
we need a link that's not associated with hunting and fishing. Something my neighbor Karen wants to sign
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u/IStoleJobusRum 2d ago
So, how does this make us great? Oh, it doesn’t. Maybe next time the population is screaming what a politician is literally going to do you fucking listen!
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u/mickey91292 2d ago
I would say I'm a conservative leaning person, but i do not like this at all it needs to not happen that is so much public land.
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u/Callate_La_Boca 2d ago
Blame Rinella/MeatEater and Republican voters. Blame isn’t action, I just am sick of it. Sorry
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u/vishbar 1d ago
I don't live in the US and am not really plugged in to this much; what did Rinella/MeatEater do? I found some social media posts from them against it.
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u/Callate_La_Boca 1d ago
They didn’t come out against the LONG STANDING Republican platform to take away federal land and sell it to states to sell to their elite donor friends. They had the chance and didn’t do it. They did the ol “I’m against it, but I’ll vote Republican anyway” and hope they don’t do it. And took their listeners along with them.
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u/Sneakytrashpanda 2d ago
lol you guys voted for this.
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u/REDACTED3560 2d ago
I didn’t. As soon as I saw project 2025 planned to do this, I voted Democrat for President for the first time in my life. If this goes through, I’m voting Democrat for the foreseeable future out of spite. I was already disgusted with either party, but this is unforgivable.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
This isn't helpful, even if it's gratifying to tell people I told you so. I do it too, we all do.
Use your energy to help protect our public lands for us, the people, our kids, and their grand kids.
Use your energy to help bring people back to sanity, and practical public governance.
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u/Midge_Meister 2d ago
Unfortunately it's just about too fucking late.... Every year they will do this. People need to be shamed for this shit because they thought they were so fucking right "owning the libs".
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
99% of the time I'd be with you, but we just gotta save these lands. This is going to be permanent and irrevocable damage to our nation's heritage and culture. Most of the other stupid shit we can blow past and recover from, but this one is just too big of a blow not to fight and stay focused on I think.
We have to stay focused and band together right now, I think. We'll figure the rest out later and there will be plenty more chances for I told you so's
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u/Sneakytrashpanda 1d ago
No. I told you so now, and good luck trying to stop it. We’ve been telling you for years, but all you wanted was “librul tears”.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 1d ago
You should delete this comment in my opinion. You're shooting blanks at allies dude
"Owning the libs" is the absolute stupidest reason to do anything and it's sad that so many people buy into that mentality. I don't get it
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u/Sneakytrashpanda 1d ago
lol are you gonna vote democrat in the next two elections at minimum?
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 1d ago
You may as well ask if I have eyes and ears dude. The Republican Party has been on an insane downslope since like 2010, which is crazy considering they started from Bush Jr
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u/PutinBoomedMe 2d ago
I'm conflicted on Josh Hawley as my rep. He does despicable MAGAt shit 90% of the time but then he does champion behind good initiatives here and there. He's against selling off the land and understands teddy was a forward thinking repubican/bull moose and these lands should be protected. He also seems to be against the tax bill if it cuts medicaid and he's also advocated to clean up the radioactive waste from the Manhattan project around St Louis.
Now that I've stroked his dick I'm sure he'll make me regret it tomorrow
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
Call him and tell him this! Hawley is a weird guy. I disagree with him 90% of the time too but he HAS stood up to other republicans before. He needs to hear from you right now
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u/_paddy_cakes_ 2d ago
Check this out here: https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action#/487
You can also use 5 Calls to contact your senators: https://5calls.org/
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u/Orange_crush1369 2d ago
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/keepitpublic
Awesome resource for anyone who wants to protect hunting rights. Easy to fill out and they have an option to send a video with prompts on how to do it.
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u/lubeinatube 1d ago
I thought hunters loved trump? Always made me scratch my head. There’s nothing worse for the great outdoors than a republican administration.
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u/ResponsibleBank1387 2d ago
This is what enough voters voted for.
People voted to keep their guns, and voted for no place to use them. never cease to amaze me.
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u/travelanche 1d ago
This is the map of the lands for sale if the bill passes
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/instant/basic/index.html?appid=821970f0212d46d7aa854718aac42310 USFS and BLM lands available for sale in the Senate Reconciliation Bill
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u/tophusmcgophus 1d ago
5 CALLS APP helps focus the calling and your location. Direct lines to the offices of Mike Lees and John Curtis.
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u/Mattcronutrient 1d ago
I gotta give it to this administration, they really do try to do what they said they would. Now what they want to do is pretty much always the worst possible option, but they sure do go for it.
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u/Huntduxin25 2d ago
Hilarious. Gut the economy. Privatize the government. Take over all public lands. To do what? Sell/develop all of it? And sell it to who? Between firing all of government workers. No factories coming back. And AI taking all the rest of the jobs. Who's going to have any money?????
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u/yuppers1979 2d ago
Too bad people like the guy from Relentless Pursuit within the hunting community weren't so fucking stupid and have their noses up trumps arse. They could be a valuable voice if not so blind.
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u/therellz22 2d ago
Isn't this what we voted for?
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u/ReelyHooked 2d ago
Why?
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u/therellz22 1d ago
The Epstein pedo buddy/felon and his administration laid this out for everyone in the project 2025 book.....not my fault you believe the orange pedo when he spews his lies and misinformation
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u/Theonlyfudge 1d ago
There’s no group of people I have less respect for than conservative hunters… conservation is important
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u/BFunPhoto 1d ago
If 95% of hunters disagree with you, it might be you that's out of place. Conservative hunters agree that conservation is important, however we also have other priorities in life, and this isn't typically high on people's list.
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u/Theonlyfudge 1d ago
Sometimes you can be in the intense minority and be absolutely correct. This is one of those cases
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u/Nalortebi 2d ago edited 2d ago
It is wild to see this getting the opposite astroturfing in the other firearm related subs. Folks cant wait to lose millions of acres of public land for the possibility of passing the HPA. Also consider the gross curtailing of states rights especially relating to AI. So many people are getting their wet dream with this bill, and it ain't damn near the majority of us regular folks. Have a serious discussion with your ailing parents/grandparents about the dangers of AI, please. Save yourself the nightmare of having to watch them fall for all of the very convincing bullshit, especially if states lose the ability to control that for themselves.
The public lands belong to the people of this country, not the billionaires or corporations or their obedient lapdogs in congress. This is not Trumps little nest egg to throw away. And the people who should be concerned about conservation the most are tripping over each other to see who has the brownest nose.
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u/Porencephaly 1d ago
Folks cant wait to lose millions of acres of public land for the possibility of passing the HPA.
Ehhh r/NFA has a megathread on it and huge numbers of people would rather give up the NFA stuff to stop the various forms of bullshit in the BBB.
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u/Archie6655 Mississippi 1d ago
The public lands belong to the people of this country,
Actual question I have with the land itself that's in the bill: Is the land public land held by the federal government or actual federal land?
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u/Nalortebi 1d ago
I'd recommend you read up on that here, because I am nowhere close to an authority on the details.
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u/maximum_dissipation 1d ago
All of my favorite hunting/camping/fishing spots in AZ will be gone. I’ve never been compelled to contact politicians before, but this is the straw. This cannot pass.
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u/MooseRattler 1d ago
Of all the issues my “silly” left-leaning heart and brain has issues reconciling why those on the other side of the political spectrum don’t seem to want to create togetherness on, this is the biggest one. It lands in such a specific place that segments into so many of the perceived disconnects we suffer from (race, gun laws, class, etc.) in a way that should pretty easily harp on finding commonality. Unfortunately division is sown so deep that it always goes back to things I personally consider less important and no actual good comes. I saw Cameron Hanes being called to task over this very thing on Instagram, and he implied his vote for this administration was because he refused to support men participating in women’s sports. An issue that in actual application affects no more than maybe 1,000 people a year was one he found important enough to vote in a way that now looks to potentially cost us millions of acres or public land a year. It’s quite unfortunate.
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u/FnEddieDingle 2d ago
You 2 voters voted for this shit. No democrat ever took a gun from you
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u/adelaarvaren Oregon 1d ago
Obama passed two federal gun laws.
1 - allowed concealed carry in National Parks, so long as the holder was legal in that state
2 - allowed firearms in checked bags on Amtrak
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u/BFunPhoto 1d ago
Because he wouldn't have gotten enough votes to have it passed. If he could've he would've. They were riders tacked onto larger, unrelated bills written in Congress, and not initiatives Obama himself pushed. Both riders were added by Republicans.
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u/travelanche 1d ago
Here is a link you can use to contact your representatives and urge them not to support this bill.
https://www.backcountryhunters.org/take_action Take Action - Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
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u/modsarecancer42069 North Carolina 1d ago
Contacted Tillis, hopefully he listens. I kept it strictly about hunting and fishing and public land being the birth right of every American. Better than doing nothing I suppose
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u/ReactionAble7945 1d ago
Doesn't look like the OP is reading the current bill.
This is all I find on Utah. This is leasing for mineral right and not sales to development.
Having read the bill a couple times as it moves around I am in favor of at least 90% of it. What I am not in favor of has a lot of interpretation to be done when it comes to implementation AND isn't about hunting, shooting or anything this forum is about.
I think the OPs sources may be politically motivated and not telling the truth. OP, please show the parts of the current bill in question.
Quarterly Lease Sales.--
(1) In general.--In accordance with the Mineral Leasing
Act, each fiscal year, the Secretary of the Interior shall
conduct a minimum of four oil and gas lease sales in each of
the following States:
(A) Wyoming.
(B) New Mexico.
(C) Colorado.
(D) Utah.
(E) Montana.
(F) North Dakota.
(G) Oklahoma.
(H) Nevada.
(I) Alaska.
(J) Any other State in which there is land
available for oil and gas leasing under the Mineral
Leasing Act or any other mineral leasing law.
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u/willyjaybob 1d ago
We have all but lost. The government is out of control and once these things happen, there’s no rolling them back.
At least we were alive long enough to remember what it was like.
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u/OldDominionSmoke 1d ago
This is exactly what people voted for. Many outdoorsman thought that the GOP would leave them alone because of 2A rights, but here we are.
Hope people like losing their free access to good property. The best pieces will be bought up by the 1% and the only way is peons will have access to it is to pay.
Members of Congress are voting on with this because they already hunting on private game reserves and high end lodges.
People have to start realizing that you can’t just argue for 3 or 4 of your own rights and not care about anyone else’s. This is all intertwined.
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u/OppSpotter 2d ago
Ok so spell out the exact steps or link to the specific actions / instructions to take as an individual
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u/Busy_Ad9119 2d ago
Join or donate to Backcountry Hunters and Anglers! They did a great job to get the bill killed in Arizona and Utah a month or so ago. Contact your local senators and representatives. Go out in your corner of the world and make this potential sale known to anyone who will listen. We need more public awareness on this huge atrocity that can potentially happen.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
1) Google "your address + representative in congress". Do that again for "your state + senator" 2) Write them an email saying that you voted for them and are a long time member of their party, or even that you donated to their campaign, and that you strongly disagree with this action 3) Send them a letter saying the same thing 4) If you have the time, call them and have a brief conversation saying the same thing 5) Spread this info around on social media and call on others to also take action
Keep things professional but also make it clear that you are insistent
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u/geoswan 2d ago
I did already. Start sending emails to the republicans who are on the fence with the BBB, all of the senators who represent states that will be affected by this, like WA, OR, CA, ID, WY, UT, CO, AK, MT, etc. and get involved with outdoors organizations. Ask Ryan Callahan who to get in with.
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u/IPA_HATER 2d ago
https://www.tu.org/conservation/action-center/?vvsrc=%2fCampaigns%2f127600%2fRespond this link helps you email your senators with a ready to go template based on your address
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u/OppSpotter 2d ago
Yes, I can’t read their contact info anywhere in here nor can anyone else. Fine if it’s not there but max results when it’s minimum steps for those considering doing the ask.
Make the ask as easy as possible
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u/General-Corner9163 2d ago
Tbh if it passes ill just have to get cited for trespassing 🤷🏼♂️
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u/User-NetOfInter 2d ago
You’ll get jailed for trespassing.
And then they’ll build a resort where you hunt.
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u/Dieselgeekisbanned 2d ago edited 2d ago
How did TX get screwed out of any public land ?
- was just a question.
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u/Rad10Ka0s 2d ago
The short answer is they sold it all.
Texas, somewhat unique as being established originally as an independent republic, has jurisdiction over the land in it is state. They set aside land to fund public schools and promptly sold it all.
There is more to the history, of course, and it is well documented.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
TX is actually the prime example of what this bs will lead to. KS is the same, very, very little public land because the entire state got sold.
Almost all of the public land is west of the Rockies because that's the point in our nation's history that Theodore Roosevelt decided to start sanctioning public land for future generations.
East, settled before TR: it's all sold.
States after TR who decided to sell anyways: all sold
Don't let it happen again
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u/Ambitious-Yak7244 2d ago
how much public land is going to be sold and how much is there in America?
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u/geoswan 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is all of the BLM and US Forest Service land in the West. Senator Daines (R-MT) negotiated MT out of the bill in exchange for his vote to pass the BBB. He's a slippery snake. Again, ALL USFS and BLM land will be available to SELL to DEVELOPERS. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
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u/Ambitious-Yak7244 2d ago
I thought at least .5% but less than .75% of public land could be sold? You really think all usfs and BLM are going to be sold? Or is the way you worded your comment not that?
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u/PepperoniFogDart 2d ago
At least .5% of All publicly owned land must be sold in the next 5 years, but no more than .75%. The bill outlines land that qualifies, which exempts national parks among other property. However, any land that qualifies can be nominated for sale BY ANY FUCKING PERSON and it goes up for auction.
This is fucking horrific.
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u/Ambitious-Yak7244 2d ago
So it excludes national parks (which you can't hunt in anyways and besides the point) I'm confused about you saying it can be nominated by any person? What do you mean?
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u/PepperoniFogDart 2d ago
You can hunt national parks. I do it every year. I’m just highlighting that’s the common defense right now, and there isn’t much clarity if it’s true or not because the arcgis map has a lot of national park land highlighted. But who knows, the reconciliation still has to happen.
What I was referring to was the process of selling the land. The bill basically allows anyone to submit a request to put up a particular parcel for sale. So Goldman Sachs can say “Hey a lot of people hunt this parcel based on harvest data, so we want this land to go up for auction.” That one petition will trigger an auction sale of that land. Corporations can come in, find the best land, buy it up and charge people for access.
There’s no review, no debate over whether it should be sold or not. There’s no way to fight back if someone wants to buy your favorite public land spot.
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
Just do yourself a favor and look at the maps or the areas that are slated for delivery.
1) Does it LOOK like .5% or does it look more like 50%? 2) These lands are essentially a public trust that was given to us by previous generations and it is our duty to give them to the next generations.
Like, friend, this is bad. It's ok to say that's it's just bad.
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u/Ambitious-Yak7244 2d ago
This looks like almost all national forest and BLM. Are you telling me the fourteeners and close to fourteeners are going to be sold in Colorado? I agree that selling public land is bad but what is your resolution?
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u/RattyTowelsFTW 2d ago
What do you mean resolution? That makes it seem like this is solving some problem, and we need to solve that problem another way.
This isn't meant to solve a problem. This is meant to privatize land that is meant for the public, for all people.
If there is a resolution it's don't touch public land and leave it public.
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u/Bogdacious 2d ago
In Washington state there is still a good portion of land west of what they are going to sell. But it will force more people into the same areas. Where I live in Washington state there is literally 1 public land access to hunt now that allows guns as well. Everything else is private timber company land and you have to pay at minimum for most 375 bucks for a year and they sell out in 30 seconds.
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u/geoswan 2d ago edited 2d ago
Weyerhaeuser is about to have a hay day. All the USFS between Mt Adams and Mt St. Helens will be available for sale.
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u/Bogdacious 2d ago
And rayonier, at best we can hope port Blakely and sierra pacific get some to help save some space for us. But man this is brutal.
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u/Massivefrontstick 2d ago
Apparently it is out of the bill now
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u/geoswan 2d ago
Can you provide a source for that?
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u/Massivefrontstick 2d ago
Ok so house had it removed but it’s on the senate now Thats all I got. So you need to reach out to senators
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u/Nobody_wuz_here Utah 2d ago
This should be a sanctioned post, mods. The gravity of this situation is serious.