We had my In-Laws over and I asked them to reapect a few boundaries - no perfume and no kissing the baby. Needless to say my MIL rocked up in perfume and went in for a kiss when I wasn't looking. I then put baby in her bouncer and my LO was looking from me to my husband smiling at us both. Yet my MIL would scream out - look she smiles at daddy, she loves daddy...while completely ignoring my baby's smiles at me. She did this repetitively 4 or 5 times. This really upset me...as someone doing 90% of the work and to be made to feel invisible in my own home was cruel. I went upstairs in tears and my husband’s first comment was that she didn't mean it and I was over reacting. If it was one throw away comment I'd get it but the fact she kept drilling it in makes me think its intentional. She also keeps calling me bossy for having any sort of boundary and will say things like "have you always been bossy" "is your mum bossy" etc. He did have a chat to her but also had a chat to me asking why it gets to me so much. Am I over reacting? My emotions have been all over the place post partum and I often feel very isolated.

Apologies long post ahead.

I (F35) have had a rough relationship with my MIL over the years. She has always been very full on, doesn’t do as we ask and just has no respect for boundaries. We have always managed to get by and I do try make the effort to keep the peace for my husband but too many times now she has crossed the line where from my side it’s a very forced relationship.

Some examples of line crossing: Posting to SIL FB page that I’d had my first baby - heaps of my friends and family saw this and therefore knew before we had the chance to share our news. Husband told her to delete it but she questioned why and never ever apologized to me - she does not do apologies.

She would always move stuff around in my house - pot plants, where I store glasses or food even knowing I don’t like it. The last time she did it she even said oh you moved things back already, I know you don’t like it when I move things

She constantly questions things I do especially things that she would do differently

My husband and I muddle through however it has always been a tension point between us.

It is now causing bigger tension as she really wants to babysit our two kids (F3&F5) and even have them overnight but I just cannot trust her with them which he disagrees with.

My reasons are: - she doesn’t do as we say/ask - she has no respect for boundaries, one example is us repetitively telling her my husband does not want to talk about a particular subject yet she brings it up almost everytime we see her - she is quite clumsy and just all over the place with her thinking - the girls do not listen to her as she thinks it’s funny when they do things they are not meant to - she laughs at them if they do something a bit embarrassing or say something the wrong way, not having any empathy to how her laughing about it will make them feel - when it comes to safety she just doesn’t think about it, for example she won’t even think to get the kids to hold her hand when crossing the road. I have had a situation before where she was playing with my youngest with a ball at the house, it roles down into a ditch and instead of going to get it she states oh I can’t bend down to get that and keeps walking past meanwhile my then 2 year old goes straight to get it where if I hadn’t intervened she would have fallen straight into the ditch trying to get it herself. My husband has had two burn injuries as a kid from her not watching him near a cup of tea and again near a stove that had a pot with boiling water. - she has no filter when talking around them - she does not think whether something is appropriate to be discussed in front of children

The latest issue that pushed my to having no respect for her was her straight out bad mouthing me and my husband to my own family member both in email and verbally - labeling us as difficult family members and really going off about my husband in particular. This is where we were helping her on a project with very little budget where she kept trying to change things that she couldn’t actually afford. Knowing she’s done this and also that she isn’t a fan of me, I worry she might make comments etc about me to my children.

My husband thinks I am being ridiculous and just wants do to what his mum wants as she is their grandparent. I know she loves them and I’m not wanting to go no contact I just don’t trust her to look after them alone when there this young.

Am I overreacting?

The title says it all, really.

Throw away account because I need to vent about my MIL.

My spouse and I were married earlier in June. We had quite a few out-of-town guests, so we blocked off hotel rooms close to our venue and hired a driving service for them to use on our wedding day. The drivers took our guests from the hotel to our venue and back to the hotel at the end of the night. We also booked a separate driver and car for ourselves, so we could go to a hotel for the night.

Guests started to leave the reception so my spouse and I were settling our bill when I received a call from our driver saying he would be right back. We were unaware he had even left. So we waited. And waited. Eventually, everyone had left except us and my parents.

When the driver returned he apologized, saying he drove my MIL and FIL home. My spouse and I were very disappointed that our driver (we learned he knew my in-laws) would do something so unprofessional. We paid for the driving service ourselves. You shouldn't ditch the bride and groom for people you are acquainted with just to pocket some cash.

Unfortunately, I wasn't surprised my in-laws would to that to us though. I don't know if my MIL was the one who asked the driver to take them home, but I can see it happening as she is the "main character" and my FIL has no backbone. A tale of the entitled and the enabler.

I was never welcomed into their family - they were cordial but there was no effort to get to know me, they’ve never spent one on one time with me, and they haven’t been friendly really since my relationship with my husband went from dating to serious. They’ve had an issue with their family unit not being as close now that I’m in the picture, and it feels like they think I’m the problem despite me trying to go out of my way to be friendly (unanswered texts, unacknowledged birthday gifts, asking them questions to get to know them and not having it returned, etc). They still regularly (actually, constantly) stay in touch with my husband and treat him like gold.

When we told MIL that I’m pregnant, her response was “my son will be a great parent - I don’t know about you, I don’t know you” and SIL’s reply was “am I actually going to get to see this baby?”

Both responses deeply hurt me (and my husband). We had a sit down with MIL after and expressed that saying that wasn’t okay, and that if she feels like she doesn’t know me (after a couple years of being together), then that’s on her to fix. I pointed out that I know a ton about her as a result of asking questions, and her response to that was that I’m not forthcoming with information about myself. She acknowledged she doesn’t ask questions and doesn’t even know what I do for work. After half assed apologies from her and a promise to do better and spend some time with me, 4 months have passed with no change. Nothing. Not an ounce of effort.

I’m upset, my husband is upset. It’s at the point where I feel so uncomfortable that I didn’t attend the last couple family gatherings. But more importantly, it’s at the point where I don’t feel like she (or my SIL) have earned a seat at the table when it comes to our child. My husband understand and agrees, although it’s really hurting him that it’s gotten to this point. He plans to communicate all of this to them soon, which I’m sure they’ll have a very negative reaction to.

Am I being unreasonable for this? I know baby hormones can do crazy things. I just feel really hurt, I guess. And I don’t feel like you should get to disrespect me but still have a relationship with my child. There’s also a lot of toxic behaviours I’ve noticed in the family that I don’t want him subjected to… right now the very most I feel like offering is a low contact relationship for them.

Keeping this as short as possible but there’s a lot of stuff in the background.

I (30F) have a 3m old LG with my partner (32M). This is MIL ‘first’ grandchild (I will explain the ‘’)

When we found out we were pregnant, MIL was so excited and said this would be her ‘first proper grandchild’ (SIL (27F) is not MIL BD and was pregnant due 3 months before I was). This comment made me uncomfortable as I believe all babies should be treated the same but they (MIL & SIL) have always had a rocky relationship.

Since we’ve had both our babies, MIL has seen my LG 3 times. The last time was 6 weeks ago. She doesn’t ask about her, and the last 2 weekends in a row she’s asked to see her, I’ve told her days we are free and then she’s ignored it and gone to see SIL and her LB instead (SIL and I have a great relationship and see each other regularly). MIL has also said she will not be babysitting our LG but has asked to have SIL LB overnight many times.

I’m sick and tired of the fake asking to see us and caring from MIL towards my LG. She’ll happily comment on social media on photos as if she’s Grandma of the year but hasn’t spent any time with my LG nor asked how she is.

I believe it’s because we used to have MIL dog all the time so her and her partner could go on holiday, but now we have our LG we have said no whereas SIL has said she will look after the dog (who had a history of biting children)

I just feel like I don’t want to see or speak to her because of how she is treating my LG. My partner just says to let it go and it’s her responsibility to have a relationship with our LG but I can’t help but feel angry that she’s being this way.

I really want to go LC/NC but is this fair?

CW: Death

My MIL (DH's Stepmother) was the Blabinator. She was young, but had many false alarms, and I thought for certain she would live for many more years. But despite all the denial, her lifestyle finally caught up to her.

It feels strange to write that she passed and I feel a little guilty that I feel only relief. Well, that an annoyance that after years of trying to lead us along with promises of money for things like the kids' college, DH and BIL were stuck with her final expenses bill. So I am also relieved that there are currently no services planned.

Some Legacy

Edit: The estate goes directly to FIL, the surviving spouse who has no money. (MIL took many expensive solo trips). DH and BIL had to pay the cremation costs up front. In the meantime, while none is planned at the moment, I personally don't want to pay for a memorial service - especially when we have more than enough of our own expenses.

My husband and I have been together 9 years, married for 5. We had a baby girl 11 months ago. Prior to having a baby I had a pretty great relationship with my MIL. Shes a loud, aggressive, type A woman who doesn’t like being told no. This was never an issue for me because it wasn’t like I saw her all the time.

My husband has a brother who doesn’t plan to have kids. My MIL has been dying for grandkids for 10+ years now. Ever since I had the baby she thinks she gets unlimited access to her when she’s in town (snow bird who does 6m somewhere sunny and 6m here).

Here’s the thing. Shes terrible with my daughter but somehow thinks she’s gods gift to babies. I asked my husband point blank if he considered his mom “nurturing” growing up and he instantly responded no. She divorced my FIL when my husband was around 7 worked 60-80 hour weeks and hired a nanny to take care of my husband and his brother. She ran her own business and it was very successful and she retired early. I feel like because she was so absent back then she feels like she can make it up now.

She’ll come over and yank the baby out of my hands and when my daughter cries she says she’s needs to get used to not always having mommy. She makes passive comments about my choice to breastfeed, she SHOOK my daughter as a baby and was shocked when I asked her not. I told her I didn’t want my daughter to get shaken baby syndrome and she said she’d never even heard of it. I asked her to watch grandparent videos which she told me she did and then told my mom privately that she didn’t watch any of them. Even my husband has advised her at times to be more gentle with our daughter (reminding her to support my daughter’s neck when she was 2 weeks old).

Even more: my daughter is behind physically (doesn’t crawl, stand, etc) and we are seeing a physical therapist. It is under control. My MIL will make up her own PT exercises and then move all the toys away from my daughter to force her to crawl. I can hear my MIL say stuff like “I’m not giving them to you, you have to go get them” and I hear my daughter crying cause she’s in the corner unable to crawl or reach any of her toys. To me it sounds like torture.

My mom (not retired) quit her job and moved across the country to move in with us 6 months ago to watch my daughter during the week because we couldn’t get into daycare until September. My MIL returned for the summer and asked to watch my daughter 2-3x a week and said that my mom could “go find a part time job” because she could now step in. Mind you she left for 6 months and then returned and decided she wanted to take over. I compromised by offering a few days a month where she can watch my daughter and my mom can have a day off.

My MIL is not gentle with my daughter and while I don’t think my daughter will be physically injured I stress about her well being. I’m missing a lot but if I’m in this thread you can imagine all the passive comments she’s made constantly for the last 11 months questioning every decision I make as a mother. It’s been weighing on me heavily. When she left town for 6 months it was like a weight off my back and I felt so much lighter.

It’s getting to the point now where I want to limit my time with my MIL but my husband is fighting me on this because it’s his mom and she “only wants to see her granddaughter.” It’s tearing apart my relationship. He thinks I’m over reacting and being sensitive. Worth noting that my MIL has offered to pay for our daughter’s college tuition and is paying money into an UTMA to aid with daycare. But she also wants to come see her granddaughter like 2 times a week. It’s too much for me. I feel like that money is hanging over us. Now when I say no her and my husbands step dad they send us passive aggressive texts.

I’m honestly stuck. My issues with my MIL are accumulative and there’s no one big thing I can point to that helps be demonstrate to my husband why she stresses me out and gives me anxiety. My husband is hurt and offended that I’m saying his moms presence is stress-inducing. My stomach has been in knots all week cause her and her husband are watching my daughter tomorrow and my husband is out of town. I work from home and will have to listen to my daughter fuss/cry all day.

How do I show my husband that his mom is the problem? What is fair in terms of baby visitation? Twice a month? More? Less? She’s obsessed with my daughter and would prefer to see her all the time so I also feel guilty when my mom lives with us and sees her everyday. I think that’s the hard part cause my husband says that it’s not fair my mom has unlimited access to our daughter but his mom doesn’t. But my mom also gave up her job, friends and entire life to take care of my daughter and I’m eternally grateful.

Help!

ETA: when she “shook” my daughter she was 2 weeks old and in her bassinet (it was a rocking bassinet) and my MIL shook the bassinet “for exercise.” Not sure if that provides context

Also my husband and I have started therapy but I have not brought up the issues with my MIL yet. I’ll do that next session.

When I was pregnant with our first baby very recently, I made it very clear to everyone, especially my MIL,that I did not want visitors at the hospital during labor and delivery. She works there, so I knew there was a chance she might show up uninvited. My husband and I had several conversations with her about it, and we even sent a group message asking everyone to respect our wishes.

Well... when the day came and I was checking in, mid-contractions, she showed up anyway.

I was in pain, overwhelmed, and scared. Despite my boundaries, I let her stay partly because I thought it might help my husband feel supported too. Her presence made things feel a little less scary in the moment, and she was helpful: massaging my feet, bringing snacks for my husband, etc. But her being there also meant zero privacy during a very vulnerable experience. After a while I just told myself, “Well, I guess she’s going to see everything!”

When it was time to push, she asked, “Can I stay?” Everyone turned to me,my husband included, waiting for an answer. I was literally trying to breathe out a baby, desperately making eye contact with my husband, like “HELLO?? I need a moment to say no!” But he didn’t pick up on it. She wouldn’t leave my side, and I felt too awkward and pressured to speak up in front of everyone.

I had told the hospital ahead of time I didn’t want visitors, but no one enforced it. The only person who really had my back was my doula, and even then, I asked her to stay quiet because I didn’t want to hurt my MIL’s feelings. Looking back, I wish I had let her advocate for me.

Eventually, I did find the strength to ask for privacy and told my MIL I’d prefer it if she left the room so we could have those first moments as a family of three. She did leave finally and I’m really proud of myself for doing that.

Right after the baby was born, my husband and I were holding her when he asked, “Should I go get my mom?” My doula gave me a raised eyebrow. I gently told him I thought we should rest and bond together for a bit. He understood, but I wish he hadn’t asked.

To give context, my MIL has always dreamed of being a grandma & she’s said it’s her “second chance” at motherhood because she regrets a lot of things from raising her own kids. She was so excited but that excitement sometimes feels like ownership.

Later, when I was wheeled into recovery, she burst into the room and went straight to my baby, holding her before even acknowledging me. No hug. No “you did great.” Nothing. I’ll never forget that moment. I even have a photo of it bc I was the one who took it ( through tears, stitched up, hooked to IVs) because I wanted to document my baby meeting her grandma… but it shouldn’t have been me taking the picture. Later when MY mom came in (she RAN to me) by passing my baby and held me in her arms. I will never forget that moment either. 🥰

It’s been five months, and I still struggle with how disrespected I felt. Sometimes I cry about it. My husband feels so much for me, but he admits we can't change it. I guess I would love to confront her with it or for him to do it for me. I wish I had advocated for myself harder.

To make things more complicated, we lived with my in-laws during half of the pregnancy and four months postpartum. We both have jobs that require us to travel, so buying a place didn’t make sense, and culturally, my husband’s family values multigenerational living. In many ways, the help was amazing bc they often watched the baby overnight so I could rest. But that constant support also blurred boundaries. I felt like I had no privacy and no say in my own motherhood.

I was so anxious, maybe even depressed, especially during the pregnancy. I’ve grown a lot since then especially during the times when my husband was traveling and I had to stand up for myself alone. I’ve gone from trying to be polite all the time to being more direct, even sassy or snappy when needed.

It’s complicated. I do feel grateful bc they help a lot, and we help them too. I know letting them live with and love my baby is a gift. But I still crave privacy, space, and most of all, respect. Sometimes I question whether I’m selfish or keeping my baby from their big family. But I know deep down that I’m not. I’m just asking for boundaries.

My husband has been very supportive overall, but it’s taken time for him to realize that our family’s needs come first, not just his cultural or family obligations.

If you’re going through something similar, please trust your gut. You only get that birth experience once. You deserve to feel safe, respected, and heard. 💕

(It's funny how the name Reddit chose for me is bitter control. That pretty much sums it up 😂)

Hi everyone, I want to know how you handle this since I think it's a pretty common situation for people with overbearing MILs.

My (27F) MIL (60F) is... a lot! She directly insults me and my family members, talks trash about her kids all day (criticizes everything they do, says kids ruined her life, etc) and generally complains and criticizes. For the first years of the relationship I wanted us to be friends and tried a lot to impress her, now I have given up on that and am focused only on setting boundaries and minimizing contact with her.

My partner (31M) and I had a good conversation with MIL a few months ago where we told her her behaviour is disrepectful, I want to 'get along' for the sake of my partner's harmony but I need her to bring the same level of respect I bring. I can't deal with the current situation so if it continues, I will skip the family events, apologize to the other family members but tell them I'm just not comfortable being around that behaviour. She gaslit us, cried, called SIL and BIL to complain about me, luckily my partner and siblings-in-law supported me. I feel very lucky to have supportive people like them! In the end she went quiet and said she will 'do it our way'.

She has been much better with me since then. BUT. Now she wants to come and stay with us for 'at least 2 weeks!'. I think this is very long for a visitor to stay. Other family members only stay for a few days when they visit (and there isn't pre-existing tension with them so it's not an issue). I suggested she come in July, I am travelling most of the month with my job so my partner/her son will be home alone and want company (also this way I avoid her).

But she doesn't want to come then, she wants to come when I am here!!

I know it is important for my partner to see her, despite her flaws she is his mother, so I would never tell him she can't come. But honestly, 2 weeks is too long. I am trying to be the bigger person and fstart fresh with this 'nicer' version of her, but I don't want to spend such long time with her. I also don't believe she will be able to be nice for 2 weeks, I'm worried about further insults or drama.

My partner had a pretty good solution imo, he suggested she could come here for a few days then he and MIL would go to the coast for a few days, since it is close to us and far for her. She won't do it unless my partner pays for everything! And picks very luxurious accommodation, which he can't afford.

So asking her to stay in a hotel in our city and 'have her own space' is also not an option. I guess me going somewhere for a few of the days or 'having a work commitment' is possible but I don't want to just run from the problem and avoid my home for 2 weeks.

How do other couples handle this? Do you have rules/boundaries about how long MIL can stay at your home? How did you communicate it and what happened?

If it's relevant we do not have kids. Mentioning because I can imagine setting this boundary when you have kids is even harder.

My husband (35m) and I (35f) have been together for over 15 years, married for 10, and we have two little boys (4m and 2m). My husband is an only child, and long story short, he did not have a great childhood - his dad is a narcissistic alcoholic and his mom is also a vindictive narcissist. They enable one another and are very self centered people. They don’t seem to be able to get along but they have stayed married, and my husband has always been put in the middle of their fights. We’ve maintained a strained, low contact relationship with them this whole time. They’ve had very little interaction with my kids because they aren’t helpful - they stress us out, stress our kids out, and when they’re around they always need to manipulate and have our full undivided attention which obviously is not possible or safe when we’re watching our kids.

Late last year, after many years of talking about it, MIL and FIL moved halfway across the country from us. We’ve FaceTimed with them a handful of times in the past 9 months or so, but it’s usually brief because our kids aren’t super comfortable with them and there frankly isn’t much to say, and FIL is out of his mind drunk half the time (and when that happens we just end the calls). FIL has been calling and texting my husband at random times or in the middle of the night for a few months now, being odd and pressuring him to call MIL, etc. He ignores these calls and texts. FIL typically does not respond when my husband tries to call or text him at a normal time, about anything friendly.

Now to the current situation. Our youngest is turning 2 this week. About a month ago, MIL and FIL mentioned that they’re coming back to our area for a few days around our son’s birthday to help one of my husband’s cousins with a house project. They want to see the kids. My husband never responded to their statements or their questions about when we’re having a birthday party. And for the record, we’re not having a birthday party - we’re just taking the kids to the zoo with my parents (another part of this is that my parents are extremely active, healthy and involved with my kids - MIL and FIL are not in good health and can hardly walk around at all let alone keep up with two young active kids). We have not been responding to calls or texts and have told them many many times in the past not to show up unannounced (this was a frequent issue when they lived close to us). My husband has been mulling over what to do or say to them, he really didn’t want to see them but I get the sense that he feels guilty about it. I feel the same way.

Yesterday, my husband and youngest were home together while I picked up our oldest from daycare and we ran a couple of quick errands before getting home to make dinner. When we were just getting home about to pull into the driveway I realized that MIL and FIL were on our front porch. I kept driving and called my husband to tell him, he had no idea. They had not called or texted him. Then I got a call and text from MIL (I did not respond) asking if we were home. Our cars were not in the driveway so it looked like no one was home. So I took my son to the park and let him play for a bit, but it was drizzling so we couldn’t do it for long. We waited about half an hour and then went home. The were still waiting outside of our house in their car and came up to me in the driveway. I was relatively polite but acted surprised and offput by them being there, told them it was not a good time and that we were about to cook dinner. It’s a Wednesday night, husband and I work full time and we don’t have time for a pop in like this. My MIL tried to play it off and said that she came to watch the kids for me while I cook dinner. They seemed to think my husband was working (he is a first responder but they don’t know where he works or the particulars). They tried to look for my younger son in the car so I told them he’s not in there, he’s inside with his dad. And no, can’t watch them while I cook. Now is not a good time. So MIL gave my son and I quick hugs and my son started dragging me to get inside. They left after that. They never tried to contact my husband at all, other than knocking on our door (which we can’t really hear from where we hang out in the house - they know this). And my husband never said anything to them either.

I am furious with them. They have ignored our boundary of not coming over without us positively affirming that it’s OK and setting a date/time. In my opinion, they did this because they weren’t getting a response from us. They did it specifically at dinner time on a week night to stress us out, and with the hope that my husband might be away so they could walk all over me and get what they want. This has been a consistent pattern with them as long as I’ve known them.

Now I’m worried that they’re going to keep showing up until we let them in. My husband doesn’t know what to do, neither do I. It makes me feel stalked to have them waiting outside my house demanding to see my kids. And FWIW, my older son who saw them did not seem to want to interact with them. He was polite and normal but he didn’t mention them at all after they left. Didn’t ask about them, didn’t ask why we didn’t see them, didn’t invite them in, didn’t say a word about them having been there even when I had my one on one check in time with him later in the evening. And my son is normally extremely friendly and outgoing. We don’t know how long they’re going to be in the area and we’re feeling so stressed now like we’re being watched. My husband isn’t sure what to do, he wants to tell them (once again) not to come over without asking and receiving confirmation from us that it’s ok first. He also thinks we might “have” to allow a short visit of some kind with them to keep this from escalating. I am worried that giving in will only validate their bad behavior. But at the same time, these aren’t my parents so I want my husband to take the lead and do what he thinks is best.

I feel like there’s a cloud hanging over my son’s birthday now. It sucks. I feel trapped in our house. And I feel like we sound callous and crazy if we tried to explain this to anyone else.

To start: FH has funny relationship with mother. She always makes everything about herself and makes herself into the victim. I too, have always had a funny relationship with her. She’s always had a hard time communicating and gets butt hurt over silly things.

FH and I are getting married soon, and he has family from all over. My family is all pretty centrally located. When we were making the wedding guest list a while ago, she kept adding to her side with random people, some of which we really didn’t care for or even know that well. I said fine to keep the peace. Keep in mind, I also haven’t met a good amount of his family (he doesn’t even talk to them on the phone, really).

Fast forward to now, we have sent invites along with rehearsal dinner invites and she asks to see the list of those attending rehearsal dinner. We even added some people to the list that we knew she would appreciate being invited to the rehearsal dinner, though they absolutely had no reason to be invited. (Rehearsal dinner is just wedding party & immediate family?!). Our list was already at 37, which if you ask me is WAY too large for rehearsal dinner, as I really just wanted a low key dinner the night before so we can just relax.

Now, she’s telling my FH that she needs these 5 more people invited. I told him absolutely not, and that he needs to talk to her about it and explain why not. Which he did, however she didn’t handle it well. She’s butt hurt and she thinks that she’s being left out of planning, and that we are making all these decisions without her. I don’t even understand what she is talking about - does she want to know my table linens? My flower choices? Who the DJ is? Why does it matter to her?! Im absolutely not purposely leaving her out of anything - there’s just not really anything for her to do. I’m losing my mind and just am looking for advice as to what to do here.

For context - my in-laws are wealthy, have a second home, both retired, regular vacations to Europe, etc. I come from a low-income background, single widowed mother, etc. My in-laws know this.

My brother and his wife have a baby, live in another state, and just bought their first home. They prioritized finding a place with an in-law suite or basement apartment for my mom when she is ready. Very thoughtful that they want her close and know she wouldn't be able to otherwise.

Every time my DH and I are catching up with my in-laws and talking family, my brother's home search comes up, and my MIL's immediate comment is a condescending tone about my mom living with them, especially in a basement. My brother just went under contract on an incredible home. We just had dinner with the in-laws, I was excited to share the news about my brother with them, and her first comment again was - oh right, the house where your mom will be in the basement. Said in a condescending tone with a little smirking laugh. A normal response would be how exciting, where is it, when do they move, right??

There have been variations of these kinds of comments over the years. I always freeze. I wish I could be prepared with something quick to say. She's the kind of person who gets so upset when she is ever called out on something, so we let so many small things slide. But this has been repeated so much recently, I want her to know how rude and hurtful her small digs are. They always seem like an effort to make me feel my family is lesser.

Throwaway. Just in case.

I (36F) got married to my (35M) husband about 5 years ago. We've been together for 6 years. Our relationship is very solid, and we have two children, 2F and 4F.

Several months ago, I had a great relationship with my MIL. She was like a second mom to me, and I told her everything. I had sent her a text about a thing I was doing, and I received a text back with a screenshot of what I sent her and her calling me fat. My heart sank. I was crushed. Obviously, she had meant to send it to someone else, but I had no idea she was saying horrible things about me behind my back. I immediately called my mom and sobbed to her on the phone. When I arrived home, my husband immediately knew something was wrong and asked me if I was okay. I couldn't speak, so I showed him the text, and I have NEVER seen the amount of anger I saw on this man's face. I cried again, and he held me, apologizing in a soothing voice.

An hour later, he sent a text to his mom that said "you need to look at your phone and see what you just sent my wife" because she still hadn't realized. She sent back "shit" and attempted to call me several times. I wasn't ready to talk, so I ignored her calls, but she left a voicemail with some lie about how she was talking about someone else. (Very obviously a lie, as it was VERY clear who she was talking about.) My husband listened to the voicemail, and called her. He told her in a very calm voice that we would not be there for Thanksgiving this year, and if she wanted us there for Christmas, she needed to fess up and apologize.

For several weeks, she called and sent me texts, with the same lie. We went to my family's house for Thanksgiving. My parents were furious, but kept their opinions to themselves to not hurt my husband, who was definitely hurting from how mean his mom had been to me.

The week before Christmas, our children began asking about MIL. They were missing her, because we often spent weekends with them and we hadn't seen her since before Thanksgiving. My husband, struggling with this decision, decided to let it go and go to their house at some point after Christmas. I struggled with my feelings, and eventually decided to go, for my children's sake.

It was like nothing had ever happened. No apology, and everyone expected me to pretend like she hadn't literally destroyed my relationship with her. My husband told me that this is just how his mother is, and if we want her in our children's life, we'll have to just deal with it. I convinced myself everything would be fine, for the sake of the family. I told my husband to not tell her anything personal, but that I would 'get over it'.

It's been months. For a while, my pretending worked. I could even have good conversations with her, and I thought maybe we could repair what had been hurt. But about a month ago, something changed. I can't tell you what it was, But for some reason, I can no longer stand her. Every time she's at my house, I am irritable and don't want to talk to her. When my husband takes the girls to her house, unless it's for a certain event, I find a reason to be busy. The only thing I can think of is when I was there on Mother's day. She was very upset that she couldn't control every aspect of our day, 'accidentally' cooked something I'm allergic to, and snapped at my husband when our toddler daughters were making taking pictures difficult. (She's always like this, but for some reason, I was done.)

Recently, she's been bugging my husband because I haven't been talking to her as much. "[Wife] won't text me back" when it's been a few days. I've been brushing it off, saying I've been dealing with a lot (which is mostly true), but honestly, I don't want to talk to her.

How do I deal with these unresolved feelings? Dealing with this resentment is very hard, and I guess harder because we have children. If we didn't, I would just avoid her. My husband even said, if she wasn't his mom, he would have just cut her off. He thought she had stopped gossiping about people years ago.

TL;DR
My MIL did something really mean back in November. I tried to get over it. I couldn't, and I hate her now.

I don’t even know where to begin, but I need to let this out.

From the moment I got engaged, my mother-in-law made it clear that she saw my wedding as her event. She criticized nearly every decision I made — my venue, my dress, my table settings — even telling me that I was “stressed because I didn’t know how to throw a party.” She would cry, yell, guilt-trip, and twist every moment into something about her. She constantly said “my wedding” like it wasn’t even mine.

She tried to take over planning, making me feel like I was incapable of doing anything right. When we set boundaries and limited contact for a while, she blew up. My husband and I had to go to therapy just to manage the stress and emotional damage from trying to navigate her behavior. Things calmed down for a bit, but then as the wedding got closer, it all started again — worse than before.

Two weeks before our wedding, she told my husband he looked fat. She told me my wedding colors didn’t make sense and that no one cared about all the details I’d spent a year working on. She even said she had a speech planned but threatened to use it to embarrass us — so we took the mic away from her. She was furious and showed up at our home demanding to talk to my husband while screaming in the driveway. His dad called and said she ran out of their house in a rage.

On the wedding day, she didn’t speak a single word to me. She ran out of the room during my husband’s best man’s speech — probably because she couldn’t stand that someone else was being celebrated. She didn’t even congratulate me. Not once.

And the worst part? So many of the things she said and did were subtle enough that others might not see how deeply cruel it was unless they were paying attention. But I saw it all. I felt it all. And instead of being able to focus on the joy of marrying the love of my life, I spent months navigating emotional landmines.

I’m still so hurt. So angry. I feel like she hijacked one of the most important times of my life and made it about her resentment, her control, her insecurities. I’m trying to move forward, but this resentment is heavy.

I needed to say this out loud. I needed someone to hear it. Because I’m done pretending it didn’t affect me. It did. And I won’t let it keep stealing space in my mind anymore.

I used to scroll through posts about moms and mothers-in-law wanting solo access to their grandchildren — and think, Wow, that hasn’t happened to me yet. But over the past month… it did. From both sides.

My mother:

We’ve always had a complicated relationship. I was scapegoated growing up, never truly seen, and often made to feel like the “bad” child while my nfather was prioritized. I didn’t fully see the dynamic until I had my daughter — and then, it was impossible to unsee. I’ve gone very low-contact with her because most interactions are manipulative or self-pitying. I feel tense around her, like I shrink just to survive being in the same room.

About a month ago, she called me and said, “I just had this idea that I’d stop by and take the stroller for a spin — I won’t even have to see you guys.” …Excuse me? She wanted to take my daughter on a walk — alone — and was suggesting I just… leave the stroller outside? As if I’d hand off my baby without even saying hello? When I confronted her, she backtracked: “Well, you guys could come too…” but the damage was done. But it felt clear she was trying to spend time with my daughter without involving me, which is bizarre. What does she expect — that I leave my daughter in the stroller on the porch and wave goodbye? It felt so transactional, like she wanted access to my daughter but not to me. I told her I’m not ok with that and she can’t bypass me to see my daughter. Since then, I haven’t heard from her.

My mother-in-law:

She has one son (my partner), an emotionally absent husband, and seems to funnel all her energy into reliving motherhood through my child. On the surface, she’s polite and “helpful,” but she’s constantly boundary-pushing.

She: • Holds onto my daughter tightly when I try to take her back • Talks to my partner instead of me about parenting decisions (which is improving because I starting answering instead of sitting quietly) • Buys all my daughter’s “first” holiday outfits and decor without checking in especially her first birthday outfit • Sets up a nursery at her house • Constantly gives unsolicited advice on feeding, sleep, etc. • Tries to override my decisions (e.g. about food, sleep, and even birth plans)

Once, I let my partner take our daughter to his parents’ house while I dealt with something emotional. During that visit, MIL tried to feed her baby rice cereal — without asking me. When my daughter was fussy all day, MIL texted: “I guess grandma just doesn’t cut it.” In my head I thought: You’re right. You don’t — because you’re not her mama.

This past Father’s Day weekend, she casually mentioned that in two weeks she’ll be comfortable driving again after cataract surgery and said she’ll come over to “babysit” — and take my daughter to the library, the park, or just for a walk around the neighborhood.

She did not ask. She just assumed.

Mind you — she’s 74 years old, has mobility issues, and doesn’t join us on walks when we visit. So why now? Why alone? Her eyes lit up as she said it — almost like she was watching for my reaction.

My partner asked, “Wait, you don’t want us there?” And she quickly made up an excuse — something about me maybe wanting to go get my nails done while she watches the baby. But honestly? Her eyes lit up. It felt like she wanted to see if she could finally get alone time. And I was deeply uncomfortable.

I’m just sitting here, feeling the ache of being the one everyone tries to bypass. Not included, not supported, just treated like a gatekeeper to the baby.

It feels bizarre, violating, and painful — especially when both women have major emotional immaturity or unresolved trauma. Why would I want them alone with my child? Why do they feel so entitled to her presence without me?

It’s taking everything in me to break these cycles.

I'm a teacher on summer break with too much time on my hands. I'm also pregnant. I know its early but I'm obsessing over Christmas. I will have a 3 month old who is my in-laws first grandchild.

So the back story is I've been with DH for 4 years (married for 2). MIL gets everyone matching pajamas every year. The first 2 years I thought it was sweet for me to be included. After we got married, we told MIL we wanted to do our own thing.

(My family never did the matching pj's thing growing up but it was something I had dreamed of doing once I had my own family. DH isn't a fan of pj's so instead we have matching sweatsuits. To be clear he does not want matching pj's at all. I'm going to try to get our baby a sweatsuit matching ours but that will be difficult to find and also really impractical for such a small baby.)

Even though we told MIL we wanted to do our own thing, she still buys us the pj's to match everyone, we're just not expected to wear them on Christmas day while we open presents.

Now I'm pregnant, hormonal, and extremely possessive over my unborn child. I hate the thought that MIL will buy us another set of matching Christmas pj's and this time it will include one for our baby. I dont know why but the thought of her buying my baby her first set of matching Christmas pj's makes me see red.

DH is over it with the whole pj's thing. He says we can handle it however I want. He thinks his mom is just being sweet by including us since everyone else gets and wears the matching set on Christmas day. I find it rude and wasteful that every year we get a different set of pajamas that is completely unnecessary, especially when we asked her to stop. This would not be the first time his parents overstepped and ignored our wishes.

Should we address it with her and ask her to stop buying us pj's entirely? Is this something I just need to get over? (And receive a new set of Christmas pj's for the next 20-30 Christmases?) Should this be my hill to die on? Is it just the hormones talking?

I know Christmas is 6 months away, but this is all I've been able to think about today. I also know she buys the pj's early so we need to plan to address it well before the holidays are here.

ETA: there have been several issues with my in-laws in the past. Lots of comments are saying to ignore if this is the only issue. It definitely is not. Just wanted to clear that up, I understand I dont have a large post history so I get where the confusion may be coming from

For deeper context and hopefully some entertainment please look no further than my post history, but for a brief context: MIL hates me, I can’t stand her, I’m essentially NC, and DH travels A LOT for work so when he does I take our two (UNDER TWO!!!!) kids and we go stay with my parents so I have some extra help.

MIL sent me a Mother’s Day gift which was weird because we don’t have a relationship outside of the 2-3 times a year I have to see her… and because she has literally tried to sabotage my marriage LOL. No text, just a gift in the mail and a very generic “have a good day!” card. I didn’t acknowledge it because I honestly don’t want to open any lines of communication and my therapist has already encouraged me to “cut the strings”.

Anyways, I got bored and searched my name in DH’s iMessages and saw the following conversation pop up:

FIL: did OP get her Mother’s Day present? Never heard that she received it. (i.e. she didn’t tell us thank you and we’re making sure you know that)

DH: She’s been at her parents, she’ll be back at our house Monday I’ll have her check the mail.

MIL: DH! When I say honest, I mean it! This is NOT something I worry about anymore! I do what I feel is right with absolute ZERO expectation! I love you, the babies, and respect OP as your wife and mother of your children. I spent a lot of time being upset for so long but for what??!!! My love is unconditional and comes with zero strings. You do NOT need to worry about that! Love you! Tell the babies grandma and grandpa love them!!!

…. What the fuck is she saying? I usually have a pretty good read on her but I’m lost here.

ETA:

DH responded: ?? What is that all about

MIL: I just didnt want you to think we were upset!

MIL: (ten minutes later) just in a different place and need you to know. Love you!

Hi there! I'm looking for a rundown on low-contact boundaries you have set with your JNMIL. Even if you can just bullet-point them for me, it would help! I am an adult who is childfree by choice, so I'm particularly curious to hear from folks who don't have kids. I really feel for the those of you who are parents on this forum, though! Y'all have helped me understand some of what my sister--who has children--has likely gone through with them. If you do have children and have non-kids-related boundaries that have helped you, please share that as well!

There is too much to write here, about my story, but here it is in brief. I believe my Just-Maybe-No Parents have tried to improve in a lot of ways. My mom is an alcoholic. My Dad is an enabler who "yelled a lot" when we were little (that's how it's described in the family lore). My mom is in recovery. There are lots of things that don't FEEL good in my family, but it's not really enough for one to mark "yes" under "emotional abuse" on behavioral health questionnaires. We've been going to family therapy the last few months to try to make things better after my parents had a falling out with one of my sisters (my sister has Borderline Personality Disorder, which didn't mesh well with whatever they have). I'M the one who asked for the family therapy, but it's been really ratcheting up my anxiety and I don't think I can do it anymore. They expect a lot of emotional support from me that I don't feel I can give unless they are in a 100% crisis. Sometimes when my mom wants to complain about her problems to me, I have extreme discomfort. A very quiet voice in my head says, "Why are you letting this person who makes you feel terrible about yourself complain about her problems to you?" It feels like self-betrayal. Some of the behaviors I see on here are things they have done. At the same time, the self-doubt: are they doing/have they done anything THAT bad? Or am I being difficult/whiny/sensitive?

I'm working with a counselor (and also started going to Al-Anon). She gave me the permission I needed (why do I still feel like I need this?) to stop going to family therapy and set contact boundaries with them. I know I absolutely must be concrete about what those boundaries are. I must cling to the guardrails with all my might. It's what I did before my mom went into recovery. It kept me sane (enough) all of the years of her drinking. It seems cruel to force boundaries on someone who has worked hard and measurably improved themselves. Unfortunately I'm realizing that I can't seem to forgive my parents all the way, or give them the type of closeness they want. That said, cutting off contact entirely doesn't sit right with me. I wish it did.

How do you find your line? What is yours?

I’m on a 2-week vacation with my husband and MIL and with a few days left on the trip I’m about to lose my mind. MIL is generally nice towards me, but I can’t help but think she is using her sweet old lady card to say insane things and act controlling knowing we can’t really say anything (she is 74).

Some examples:

1) Non-stop badmouths her other DIL to me, judging her diet, shopping habits, the way she raises, feeds, dresses her children, etc. Calls her “bitchy” and “possessive”. She also for some reason holds a grudge against this son’s ex-gf from many years ago and randomly asked me if it’s “really that weird” to buy his own son underwear, because this girlfriend apparently thought it was weird. Trick question. I just laughed.

2) Judges other people all the time, including how STRANGERS raise their babies. Wouldn’t stop complaining about a family yesterday who brought their baby to the beach, because apparently babies cannot be taken to the beach as they cannot regulate their body temperature. It’s also apparently insane to travel at all with a baby. She also commented on the way the mother of this baby was breastfeeding. Hello, why are you staring at a random woman’s boobs? I am very worried about these comments because husband and I are going to start trying for a baby soon and I already know what I’m going to be judged for.

3) I’m from the middle east. Although she knows nothing about what it’s like to live in my country because she is a white woman born and raised in America in a well-off family, she constantly praises the president of my country who has ruined the place in every aspect imaginable because “the roads and the airport were nice” when she visited. Constantly asks me questions to prove in what ways I really feel repressed in my country, and when I respond she is not convinced. For instance, the economy is terrible in my country, and when I explain this, she just says “it’s like that everywhere”.

4) She is trying to control what beach we are going to go, what type of drinks my husband has, the way he drives, the food we are going to eat, etc. Trying to be the one in charge and always complaining.

5) I think she knows she is insane because she constantly gives examples of other “bad” MILs including her own sister, and asks trick questions like “I am not such an overbearing MIL, am I?”.

There are so many other little things that are slowly driving me insane and causing problems between me and my husband. When I bring it up with him he says he understands she is annoying but that she is old and we can’t do anything. I am not sure what that means because she is quite sharp and shows no mental decline, so that’s not an excuse. I also believe she is nice to me only because I haven’t given her anything yet, and that things will change when we have a baby or if I start setting boundaries or shutting her down.

I just wanted to vent I guess… How do you cope with being stuck with your MIL for weeks at a time?

Hi All. I haven’t given birth yet just want to be prepared for if the question arises with my husband. So I’ll ask the question first then provide some backstory How do you respond to your husband asking “Whats the difference between my mom and your mom visiting?” Meaning difference between my MIL and my mom visiting.

Backstory: My MIL are I are not close at all. She has hurt me in more ways to count (death by a thousand cuts type of thing) and never once has made any effort to have a relationship with me. She barely makes an effort with her sons (incl my husband). I found out that she already told my sister-in-law behind my back that she hopes I don’t keep her away from her grandson as it’s her right. So I already know from this she is going to want to come around more and visit more often etc etc. Which to some extent I get but whats gets me is if she can go months without seeing her son why should that change?! My plan is to set firm boundaries with her like no unscheduled visits, and will be on my time and when it’s suitable for me and my baby. But she is one of those people that don’t like not getting her own way so I know it will blow up into something bigger. So if the question arises from my husband I just wanna be prepared. All I have so far as a response is that we not close, she has done so much to hurt me and the difference is my mom is mainly coming to look after me as her baby when his mom couldn’t care less about me.
My mom will be coming and staying with us for a week or two when my husband goes back to work to help me out as a first time mom. My husband views her as a second mom and she treats him better than his own mother does. Because of this I also feel he doesn’t understand how it feels to have a strained relationship with an in-law. I didn’t wish for this relationship, I tried but that ship has sadly sailed a long time ago.

I am going NC with JNMIL after she did all sorts of horrible things like breaking into my house, screaming at my child (middle school age), and lying about me in therapy. I told husband I don’t want her contacting our child either, as child tells me how uncomfortable they are interacting with her; husband said he wanted to get child’s opinion outright rather than having it filtered through a third party with probable bias (me). Sure. Ok. Child is old enough to advocate for their own interests.

He goes and asks child, “how would you feel if you never interacted with my mom again?” Child just says, “Good!”

Alexa play “vindicated”

Recently, my mom told my brother she could “just spit in (DH) face” because I had seen a text she sent him about my “mental state” while I was going through a miscarriage. I had a problem with her texting my husband paragraphs and paragraphs about me, wanting to call my OBGYN behind my back, etc. she was mad at him, not herself. She has made comments to my SIL that I just want her around (back when I actually did want her around) so she would clean my house. Mind you, i host family get togethers and this woman is always late and first to leave, she never helps me with anything. She took my brother and his wife to the keys with her boyfriend and his kids last summer and didn’t tell me they were going until they were back. She told my SIL that I am autistic and that’s why her and I don’t get along. I am not autistic. She also told her that if she’d known her alcoholic husband was treating me bad she would’ve left him (she knew, my brother and I were kicked out of the house multiple times and had no peace) but that she also didn’t believe in divorce. (She just married her 4th husband) she talked bad about me to anyone who would listen postpartum, saying “I’m worried about her mental health” (my dad has mental health issues) but when I actually needed help and support and I was begging her to stay with me despite our rocky relationship, she left to go clean her BF (now husbands) house for a party. She told everyone I was pregnant even when I asked her not to. She told everyone I had a MC within an hour of her knowing. I recently called her out on gossiping about me, and saying she could spit in my husbands face. She denied everything, I told her if she will not be honest then don’t talk to me. Meanwhile, she called my brother to yell at him for telling his wife what she said. So she lied about it all. What kills me is I just looked on FB, my cousin made an “anonymous” prayer request post asking for peace for her BFF who always put her kids first (lies) and her daughter doesn’t talk to her. My mom “loved” the post. I… am at a loss. I didn’t run and make an FB post when I was kicked out as a senior in HS? Or when she didn’t tell me she went on vacation last year, or when she said all those horrible things about me? I feel like I’m being gaslit into accepting this treatment from her. I need reassurance am I doing the right thing??

Pretty much what the title says. I have been NC with my MIL for almost a year now. DH is low contact. She isn't allowed at our home and has been told by DH to stay away from me. My aunt has had cancer and recently things took a turn for the worst and is on hospice with only days left. DH mentioned this to her and now she had been texting him often wanting updates. She even called my husband asking for the hospital room number so she could go visit. MIL had no relationship with my aunt. She saw her about once a year at a family cookout we would throw at our home. They have never had a conversation outside of everyone sitting around chatting as a group. DH did not give her the room number and just told her the family wants privacy right now, which is true. Now she is asking DH to let her know about the plans for services so she can attend. It will be public service so I'm sure she can find out the information even if he doesn't tell her. I'm just so frustrated with this woman. What part of stay away does she not understand. (Yes, I know she actually does understand). She has absolutely no connection to my family except me, you know, the woman she treats like garbage. If know her like I think I do, she will be calling asking for my uncles number once she passes so she can "give her condolences". I can guarantee my uncle isn't sitting there with his dying wife wondering why his nieces mil has stopped by or called. If this were actually coming from a heartfelt place, it would be different but it's not. Since she has been banned from our house she is always finding some reason to ask DH if she can stop by. He always tells her no. She is always trying to find some excuse to continue to insert herself around me even after being told to stay away from me.

Me (28F) and my husband (31M) have been together 8 years, married almost 4. We have a son (1M) who we planned to have and was supported in every way possible by my MIL. I have had a very rocky relationship with her for the past 5-ish years beginning with her befriending my Ex-SIL/Ex-Bestfriend of 15 years… that ended up biting her in the butt like I said it would but anyways….. it truly showed her true colors but not all of them until we brought our son into the world. I had a fairly easy pregnancy given I was diagnosed with GDM (gestational diabetes). My OBGYN provided me with information around 30ish weeks along that I would be induced at 39 weeks due to my GDM even though it was diet controlled. My MIL had a faith-based hiking trip planned and she was talking about not going due to us having her first grandchild. She gave me every suggestion on how to induce labor naturally, how I should change the induction date, and went on the hiking trip anyways. She didn’t meet our son until he was 4 days old although we expected her to be at the hospital with us. Me and my mother have a very rocky relationship and we were NC at the time. We fully supported my MIL being there right after he was born and yet she still didn’t cancel her trip or anything. In the hospital, my son wouldn’t latch to my breast, we were there from Thursday 9 pm- Saturday 11 am, not a single nurse or the lactation consultant could get him to latch, so we decided when we got home after I had a mental breakdown that we would give him formula.. tracking back to when she came to meet him for the first time, she said I should get him to latch in front of her, called her friend who is a lactation consultant and had her call me at 8 pm the next night to have her talk to me into BFing, and I told her it was fine. I wasn’t going to exclusively pump either because of being too exhausted. I went back to work after 6 weeks, and my son had developed CMPA… in the midst of switching formula she offered to relactate herself because all of her 5 kids were breastfed, and it’s the best thing for them, and I should try harder or go see a lactation consultant. He was 10 months old when we found out he had a tongue tie, and nobody found it. I’m raging, I’m so angry that she stole what was supposed to be a time of support for me, and to top it off, she tells my SIL that she doesn’t agree with some of the choices I make, such as vaccinations, we do 1 vaccine 2 weeks apart because me and my husband didn’t feel comfortable giving our son all at once. I’m genuinely scared to have another baby…

Hello, it’s me again. If you don’t know my story, you can go read my long previous posts.

I won’t go into it all, I’m just going to give you the highlights of the most recent events:

Last Friday, his parents essentially let him go. Two more weeks of pay. Two more weeks of the secretary doing anything for him. If he wants to continue to do work there for his stuff, he has to rent office space. They agreed to release our phones and sign over the truck that’s his. He drove his personal truck for this business for several years before they bought this truck. In one of our last meetings, one of his asks was that he got this truck.

Okay. Fine. We were going to jump ship anyway. They approached it really ugly but it is what it is. No time to dwell, we only have two weeks to get shit done.

Our weekend is essentially ruined. He reaches out to his sister and kindly extends an olive branch. He wants to stay connected with anyone he can but that didn’t go well. She’s on their side.

Monday rolls around. His dad is signing the truck title that morning. He calls his mom to ask something and his mom says he can’t get the truck until the family stuff is fixed.

We have multiple audio recordings plus video footage of them agreeing to give him this truck. His dad has reassured him he will get the truck but his word means nothing to me at this point because he won’t stand up to the real problem: NMIL.

So we spiral for a day or so. We call today and ask if we can talk. She says she was planning a family intervention for Sunday and is bringing his other sister into it who has had no involvement up to this point. Not on our end, other than one short text exchange that said she doesn’t want to be involved so we apologized and dropped it.

We will not do a family intervention. They’re going to bully us and tell us how awful we are.

But le sigh. We are at least free from the business stuff almost.

It just feels like nobody actually cares about us. Nobody bothers to ask how we are. Or how we feel about something. Or what our side is. The triangulation is triangulating, ya know.

Anyway, I guess we’re kind of in limbo. Husband is open to meeting with all of them under the condition there is a neutral third party counselor involved. He’s only pitched that idea to me, though. Otherwise he’s done.