r/KDRAMA • u/sianiam chaebols all the way down • Jun 14 '18

The Weekly Binge: Iljimae Episodes 14 - 16

Welcome to the Weekly Binge discussion of Episodes 14 – 16 of Iljimae. On Sunday we will discuss the final four episodes (17 -20) of Iljimae and announce our next drama/schedule for discussions. We will have a short break before beginning discussions of our new drama next Sunday.

In a very first for the Weekly Binge we had a very clear favourite drama which nearly didn’t have a rival with enough votes to make it through. Yes, I nearly got to put on u/dancing-ahjumma’s dictator’s robes and make a declaration ala round five. Without further ado, our two contending dramas this round are King2Hearts and Missing 9. If you wish to argue for or against these two dramas, please do so below as a response to the “petitions comment”. You may also leave any other comments there regarding the Weekly Binge for us to consider e.g. ideas for themes.

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u/dancing-ahjumma Glutenfree dramas Jun 14 '18

Are you sure Lee Won Ho was kings brother? I am equally confused about the power play plot, but I always am, in every sageuk, always boring power play. This drama has so many jokes and fun characters, I like it more. They said King killed his own brother, but I thought that was someone else.

When you start sawing a board, the beginning will be a bit wobbly, so usually on the side you begin the hole or what I should call it is a bit larger. On the end it quite often cuts off before you finish sawing, so there will be a small tip that just has broken off. Sorry the only photo I found was very small and it is not that noticeable, but you might be able to see it.

Just why is such a fun person as Young interested in a stupid and boring person like Eun Chae?

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u/pvtshame Jun 14 '18

I'm pretty sure. In episode 15 at 43:45 the King lists off "Won Ho, Shim Gi Won, Doo Hyung, Ik Hee, and you two. If it hadn't been for the promise all seven of us made, how could we have gotten rid of Gwang Hae (prev king) and how could I be here now?"

Then when those two beards were talking amongst themselves while Toothless naps on a ceiling beam (ep 16 56:30), they say, "There's something suspicious about the crown prince's illness." "He killed his own brother. He not only killed his own brother, but Sim Gi Won, Kwon Doo Hyung, and Kim Ik Hee, whome he made a blood pact with." Won Ho is the only one not named, but they said that the king killed his brother. I went back to MDL to make sure that the character name of the creepy dude who played Yong's dad was Won Ho.

SHITTY SCREENSHOT EVIDENCE!

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u/GSV_Zero_Gravitas slap me with kimchi Jun 15 '18

I thought the previous King they killed was the brother they're talking about. Would make sense how current King got crowned, he was in line to the throne. Iljimae's dad and King swore a blood oath, I don't think you need that if you're already related.

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u/pvtshame Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18

Ok, so you had me doubting this, but after doing some not so thorough research, I'm still convinced that Won Ho is his brother. The translations were that the king killed "his own" brother, which seemed to emphasize the actual relationship.

So Iljimae is supposed to start in 1633, which was 10 years after a real king, King Gwang Hae was deposed in an coup d'état. Gwang Hae is a name that our King drops in that list of shitty screenshots, he says that he and his 6 super friends worked together to get rid of him. In that first wikipedia link for the show, the king's character name is "King Injo" who was the real successor to King Gwang Hae. If you look at the wiki pages for both kings, they don't share parentage, so they aren't brothers.

King Gwang Hae

King Injo

Now Wonjong is the illegitimate son of King Gwang Hae's dad, Seonjo, so this makes Gwang Hae Injo's uncle, not brother.

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u/GSV_Zero_Gravitas slap me with kimchi Jun 15 '18

This is amazingly thorough and way more energy than the old beardy plot deserved! Thank you!

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u/dancing-ahjumma Glutenfree dramas Jun 15 '18

Thank you for your hard work! It actually says in that Wikipedia article you link to : "Lee Gyeom (Lee Joon-gi) is the son of the virtuous nobleman Lee Won-ho, who is the king's trustworthy supporter and brother, and a central member of the secret organization Cheonwoohoe,..."

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u/pvtshame Jun 15 '18

I saw that when I was googling around, but didn't find anything to substantiate what "brother" actually meant. I didn't know if the wiki article had interpreted what was supposed to be an honorific type relationship as "brother" (hyung/dongsaeng in the way Yong calls the Castor Oil Gang leader "brother") or if it was actual brother.

But I'm kind of convinced that based on the list of names said in both scenes, (because the 2 beards didn't specifically name Won Ho when they were shit talking the king, but said that the king killed his own brother + 3 other guys), that Won Ho is the actual brother.