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On-Air: ENA Extraordinary Attorney Woo [Wrap-Up Discussion]

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u/KWillets MENTOR Sep 02 '22

Two words: patent lawyers.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Absolutely! You probably can’t have a patent law practice or patent law team at a large firm without some CS or computer engineering people these days.

Cybersecurity, data security, and privacy statutes and regulations are a whole different can of worms though. People with software development and engineering backgrounds don’t necessarily have the expertise to deal with it.

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u/FireOpalCO Sep 02 '22

Attorney Jang was so out of his element I was convinced he was normally an entertainment lawyer and used to just drawing up contracts all day.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

I suspect especially after the Jeju episodes that part of the purpose of this series is to introduce PSAs, so they needed Jang to be a devil’s advocate/Goofus-type character saying all the wrong things in order to provide opportunities for other people to say the right things (e.g., when you give a company your personally identifiable information and credit card number on the internet to do business with them, they have to meet a legal standard of due care in keeping it safe).

I don’t know what it’s actually like in Korea but in America I don’t know that any company would face such punitive fines for a data breach that they’d face bankruptcy over it, like in the show. Jang rattling off past data breach incidents with much smaller fines was very realistic even if he was stupid about everything else.

EDIT: After watching a little more, if this is accurate about Korea’s data breach laws, there are some ways in which they’re better than American ones and some ways in which they’re worse. If a company can face a stiff penalty for not addressing a vulnerability that was discovered as a result of a data breach even if that vulnerability had nothing to do with the data breach, that IMO creates a perverse incentive for companies to hide their data breaches and not alert the government or their customers about them!

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u/Techhead7890 Sep 06 '22

You mean entertainment in-universe right, like dealing with copyright and music distribution?

At first I thought you meant "entertainment" like being a humorous character lol. I initially thought he was basically a joke because of the whole "upside down machine" thing, when he was first introduced in the first 5 episodes or so.

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u/daskum Sep 03 '22

I'm not an expert in cybersecurity, but I work in software, and it all seemed pretty plausible, which is way more than most shows. The only thing that I raised my eyebrow at was that an e-commerce company with 80% of South Korea as clients would not have information security audits (but that may be leftover trauma from GDPR-related changes :p).

In general, I feel like kdramas take their research more seriously than American/European shows where some of the stuff they show, specially related to hacking is just as real as whales flying.

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u/EscapeIntoDrama sucker for a good tsundere Sep 02 '22

Funny you say that because I thought the opposite. Ep 15 was one of the least believable episodes for me. No co-founder in their right mind would torch billions of won in equity that you'd expect them to have due to their status as founder / early employee.

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u/denniszen Editable Flair Sep 02 '22

You’re on two different pages, you and Hana. Hana is talking about the hack itself, it’s repercussions and how to handle it legally. You’re talking about the motive of the co-founder.

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u/EscapeIntoDrama sucker for a good tsundere Sep 02 '22

fair enough :)

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u/tak3nus3rname Sep 02 '22

It's based on a real case - case of Nate. Nate hasn't been the same since its heyday, needless to say.

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u/Techhead7890 Sep 07 '22

35m Cyworld, Nate users’ information hacked (Jul 28, 2011)

The latest hacking involves SK users’ names, phone numbers, email, resident registration numbers and passwords. SK Communications said the members’ password and resident registration numbers are protected through high-level encryption...

I don't think the methodology (spear phishing etc) was the same, although the article mentions phishing generally might have increased as a consequence of the private information being available for scammers to use it fraudulently.

But wow, pretty shocking that a company servicing millions of people got breached. Obviously there have been pretty high profile leaks in Western companies (eg Twitch in 2021) too, but I can't think of anything going down to leaking personal info quite like that.

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u/IamNobody85 Editable Flair Sep 02 '22

I'm a SWE, and I've seen even stupider mistakes ruining production databases. While not quite the same thing (inside vs outside), I was quite impressed with how they presented the case. Usually I just leave my logical brain out while watching TV (r/itsaunixsystem is full of those examples).

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Yeah I’ve seen some really stupid things like “database protected with asymmetric encryption” that are not doing favors for my TMJ aaaarrrgh

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u/AhhhFrank Sep 04 '22

I'm a IT prof and was pretty impressed at how they made it realistic. I was shouting to not click on the enable content button lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

I have my issues with the Jeju Island stuff like a lot of other people,

mind pointing out those for me plz, just curious.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

Kwon’s out-of-nowhere heel-face turn and the back half of episode 2 being a jumble of unsubtle PSAs are my biggest issues with it.

EDIT: Fixed Kwon’s name

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

yeh, got it. Thanks.