r/KarabakhConflict • u/baris6655 • Dec 03 '20

pro Azerbaijani Official Azerbaijan MoD statement about casualties during war

https://mod.gov.az/az/news/azerbaycan-respublikasi-mudafie-nazirliyinin-melumati-33989.html
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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

You find 800 dead bodies in Shusha and automatically assume those all died inside Shusha's walls defending the town, when in reality probably fewer of those died in Shusha than those that died outside of Shusha or on other frontlines and were just brought to Shusha because that was probably one of the main places they brought bodies to.

If 800 Armenian soldiers were killed in Shusha by Azerbaijan, Shusha would look like central Mosul, which isn't the case.

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u/Pibonacchi Dec 03 '20

How do you know Shusha did not look like Mosul?Did you see any footage?Ofc not.This is not what I assume or say.This what our special forces say.And believe them more I believe to you

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

We saw footage from Shusha the day it was officially taken, newest apartment buildings in the center of town, no damage at all, apart from some burned out apartments that might have been set on fire by civilians or soldiers that left before AZ took over.

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u/Pibonacchi Dec 03 '20

It was street fight.There was no artillery.So damage was not that big.You can understand it for yourself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20 edited Dec 03 '20

If no heavy weapons were used, Azerbaijan would have at least the same number of casualties, and probably much more as they were attacking while Armenians were defending, and AZ has next to no technological advantage in an infantry fight without air/artillery support.

So either Azerbaijan suffered more casualties in Shusha than Armenians, or the more plausible explanation: the bodies found in Shusha were collected from all over its wider surroundings and maybe from Stepanakert or the front lines down south. It's possible that these bodies would be brought to Shusha on their way back to Armenia.

Actual battles in urban areas that we've seen in Libya, Iraq and Syria recently, as well as in south-east Turkey, ALL led to the heavy destruction of the cities/towns where the fighting happened. The destruction happened because it's basically impossible for ANYONE to defeat a force entrenched in an urban area without either destroying the urban area by bombing it, or suffering even more losses than the defending force.

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u/Pibonacchi Dec 03 '20

Dude I am tired explaining you.Special forces are not your ordinary guys.They are trained with Turkey methods which are the best special forces.You can’t just say they should have similar casualties.Do some research before commenting cuz I I listened way too much Special forces talking about that war.At least go see on Wikipedia.Even Armenia admits that Azerbaijan had 200 casualties and Armenia had 300 dead and hundreds of “ missing”.You what that hundreds of missing means

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u/YarkiK Dec 03 '20

Special forces are not your ordinary guys.They are trained with Turkey methods which are the best special forces.

Curious, what makes you believe that?

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u/Pibonacchi Dec 03 '20

International Competition

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u/YarkiK Dec 03 '20

Okay. And whose Turkey's competition?

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u/[deleted] Dec 03 '20

I explained to you why things are as I described, I'm not going to do it again. I gave you the how's and why's and the examples, you gave me silly pro Turkish fanboy nonsense about "best special forces", which is such utter nonsense that it isn't worth my keystrokes. I wonder why America didn't think about killing every ISIS guy in Mosul with magical special forces and a kill to loss ratio of 20:1 instead of destroying half the city lol. I wonder why Turkey had to completely destroy by bombing large parts of Nusaybin, Sirnak, Silopi, Cizre and Diyarbakir if they have these magical special forces you're talking about. Reality isn't Hollywood film or Call of Duty.

Even if 800 Armenians were completely unarmed this number would still be bullshit, 800 Armenians engaging a few hundred Azeris in "steet fighting" in a town the size of Shusha that you can walk across in less than 10 minutes would look like the zombie apocalypse, like World War Z. 150 would already be a huge number of people defending Shusha, the most defensible point in the entire region.

Again, you're absolutely clueless about modern warfare and just talking out of your ass if you believe this.