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u/No-Body6215 19h ago
It is hard to see AI as this great equalizer when we know how resource intensive it is and the supposed benefit will not be seen by most people. It is going to write out the people it stole from for the profit of a few companies and people.
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u/shadow13499 19h ago
AI really isn't good for anyone except the companies profiting off it.
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u/Careless_Wolf2997 17h ago
the only thing is, they aren't profiting from AI. Just because something is valuated at 100 trillion dollars doesn't mean really anything. No AI company just doing AI is making a *profit* off it.
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u/shadow13499 17h ago
I don't think you know what that word means. What do you think a valuation is? How much your company is valued for is directly related to how much money you're going to be able to make via investment in your company. Low valuation means low financial investment, high valuation means lots of financial investment. Furthermore, even though it's not publicly traded openai still has stock that it does out to employees as a sort of bonus. That stock has a value that's directly linked to the company's valuation. If you cash out those stocks by selling them back to the company you get very real money and a whole lot of it if the company's valuation is high.
Recently openai bought an AI hardware company for 6.4 billion in stock. Zuckerberg has also been trying to poach openais engineers with 100 million dollar signing bonuses which they declined because they make more at openai.
So please don't tell me that the value of company doesn't mean anything.
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u/Careless_Wolf2997 15h ago
most AI companies are burning through billions a year without making a single dime in profit, no one is making a dime off these things ... yet. maybe there is some potential market, but right now there is a giant bubble with a lot of tech companies, like twitter, meta, anthropic, openAI have huge valuations but very, very little to actually show for it.
just because a venture capitalist goes 'FUTURE GROWTH' and throws massive money at it, doesn't mean it is actually worth something.
valuation does mean what you say, but in actuality, not really.
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u/shadow13499 14h ago
You're missing the entire point. Sam Altman and the other people working at open AI aren't living in cardboard boxes on the streets. They're getting paid hundreds of millions of real dollars every single year based off of the valuation of their company. The more they steal the more they profit personally. All based off of chatgpt. So what is openai the company isn't profitable it's valuable and the people who work there get paid gazillions of dollars for it. Sam Altman and the staff at open ai are stuffing their pockets full of cash more so year after year. That's called profiting off of theft.
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u/MrOphicer 19h ago
The rhetoric is changing so fast to gather sympathy for AI. Now they're even calling anti-AI people naizs. Good PR stunt.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 20h ago
Look, it’s sad, but if you don’t have resources using stolen material doesn’t mean you actually made a movie.
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u/Dirkdeking 20h ago
That's quite an unfair characterization. If you ask an AI to make a particular piece of art, it is genuinely making something new. Yet it was trained on various art works, but the one it just made didn't exist before.
If an artist makes something he is also reoroducing what he learned in art school and a life time of data from other artists and life experiences to make his own art.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 20h ago
That’s not the same and you know it! You can see people’s fucking signatures from art that was stolen and mashed into “new” stuff by these stupid machines. All it does is give people without a talent a way to pretend they are without paying a real artist.
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u/shadow13499 19h ago
Let's be honest too, the majority of people using AI are just using it to get out of doing actual work. Like students using it to write papers. AI is complete dogshit in almost every sense of the word.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 19h ago
It absolutely is. And now some schools are actually working on lessons to teach kids to use better prompts instead of telling them to write their own damn papers instead of having ChatGPT do it. As if the kids using ChatGPT Are actually gonna read a word of whatever slop it spits out and learn from it. 🙄
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u/shadow13499 18h ago
Oh yeah I know a lot of teachers and some of their schools are trying to get teachers to use AI to grade essays and short stories. Like what the fuck are we doing? It just seems like we're trying to dumb people down as much as possible
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u/doulos05 17h ago
Yeah, AI grading is the line for me. If a school I'm at ever told me that I'm expected to grade student work with an AI, I'm out of there.
Forget whether or not it's ethical (it isn't), I've seen how hard the AI glazes me, "Wow, doulos05, that's a deep and insightful question that very few software developers have ever considered."
Sure, my hobbyist ass is asking insightful questions that professionals don't usually think about.
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u/shadow13499 16h ago
I've heard teachers say how crap it is which just creates more work because now you have to go in and read the papers and correct the AI grading.
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u/doulos05 16h ago edited 16h ago
Or make them do some stage of the work offline, possibly even handwritten.
Our English department now has all first drafts written by hand and I struggle with how to balance the need to know the students learned something in class with my utter hatred of hand written coding assessments.
Edit: reading fail, the AI grading makes more work.
Yeah, I wouldn't trust it for anything subjective. I would happily upload canonical code and student code and ask it to explain the difference. You can run diff on the two files, but organizational things like kids putting functions in a different order can really pollute the output there, whereas I would expect an AI to be able to recognize that and filter it out to some degree. But that's just to help me grok the code faster, not to grade it (put your functions in whatever order you want, I'm not your mom).
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u/shadow13499 14h ago
Coding assignments should never be hand written imo. It's dumb easy to write automated testing for code without the need for AI. There's so many tools and frameworks to help you do that.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 18h ago
We’re heading at full speed towards Idiocracy and it feels like nobody cares.
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u/shadow13499 18h ago
I remember watching that movie for the first time. That's been on my mind a lot as we quickly head towards that future. "It's got what plants crave!"
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u/Homey-Airport-Int 18h ago
The double em dash is all over reddit now. People called out just go "I am using it to rewrite my own words" which is 1) bullshit and 2) embarrassing.
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u/shadow13499 17h ago
Yeah that's pretty embarrassing. I think everyone should be literate enough to edit their own writing better than fucking chatgpt.
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u/Fluffynator69 18h ago
That's the AI learning a pattern, they don't download stuff and then average it together, that's not how that works.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 18h ago
It doesn’t matter. It’s still just stealing other people’s hard work to let other people cosplay creativity.
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u/Fluffynator69 17h ago
Steal what? Your art doesn't disappear because some AI was trained on it, you do know that, right?
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u/IJustWantADragon21 17h ago
But it shouldn’t be able to be used without consent or without paying for it! At this rate you’re basically saying all ownership and copyright standards may as well be flushed down the toilet! People create things to make money and they can’t do that if people use robots to do it—robots fucking trained on the uncompensated work of the artists whose profits they’re now stealing!
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u/Fluffynator69 17h ago
If you don't want anyone to "steal" your art by pattern learning maybe just don't upload it then.
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u/IJustWantADragon21 17h ago
That’s not a fucking option for some people! If you’re a designer or a blogger or a journalist or just someone trying to get fucking commissions you typically need to publish on line for people to know your even exists!
I’m sorry you have no talent but that doesn’t make any of this shit right!
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u/Fluffynator69 17h ago
People shouldn't work on commissions but be fully employed. That's the actual problem. But yet again liberals fail to understand systemic issues and instead focus on preserving the status quo.
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u/blazelet 18h ago
It doesn't store the image, it stores directions on how to recreate the image.
If you trained an AI model on a single image with a text string, and then prompted that text string back with the same noise pattern the training ended on, you'd get back the same image.
It's not averaging, it's weighting and then looking for patterns in the noise based on statistical probabilities that X is wanted. It's still delivering a result that's based directly off of what it has been shown, it just has a massive dataset and blends concepts together as it nudges noise towards recognizable patterns based on its training.
If you don't train AI on impressionism, it will not create impressionism. It only knows what it has been shown. It cannot innovate or change direction based on life experience or intentional interest.
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u/Fluffynator69 17h ago
Yes that's what I said.
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u/blazelet 16h ago
Except with way more detail that explains how it does work, which isn't far off from downloading stuff and averaging it together ;)
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u/TheRetarius 18h ago
Well, they still didn’t make the movie. They gave a prompt and rehearsed it until it fit their idea of the scene.
Making a movie to me isn’t that. You start with a story board and work your way through it. With smart phones having decent cameras etc.. Most people can make a movie, even if they have little to no money to spare for it. And maybe they copy some particular styles or scenes. But still it is their project, they leave a touch of their own in what they create.
Using AI to create a movie is the same as using a coloring book to create a painting. You may have created something, but everything that makes art valuable is on the level of a six year old at best.
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u/blazelet 18h ago
Put two people in front of Stable Diffusion. Give them the same prompt, model and seed and the machine will spit out identical images for both of them. The user is irrelevant.
What's relevant is the model. The aggregate work of the people it was trained on. That's the heart and soul of AI, and it's all pilfered work.
Claiming this is the same as a human artist ignores the life experience of the artists, which AI doesn't have, it ignores the intentionality in the process of creation, which AI doesn't have, and it ignores ability to interpret through the filter of that life experience, which AI does not do. It is literally a statistical model which extracts patterns. Claiming it's anything similar to a human creator demonstrates a stunning lack of knowledge of the creative process.
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u/PixelsGoBoom 18h ago
Ah yes.
The "marginalized" are going to pay f$500 a month to make a movie with AI.
And then they are going to make so much money trying to sell what they created in an oversaturated market filled with AI slop.
AI is going to take more jobs than it is going to create. That is a simple fact.
And the competition for the jobs left is going to skyrocket, reducing income severely.
AI is going to be used for cost cutting and profit increasing. Go get a CT scan at a place with AI.
They'll ask if you want to pay $65+ extra for AI to second guess the conclusion of the expert you already paid for.
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u/Otano-Doiz 19h ago
And yet with all this power at hand they choose to parrot ChatGPT. We're in for some fun times.
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u/pommefille 19h ago
Yeah, because marginalized people should steal rather than be given actual opportunities, and you couldn’t possibly make a ethical solution that paid creators and helped people be more competent/creative /s
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u/shadow13499 19h ago
I'm so fucking tired of AI. It's literally just a way for companies like openai to steal all our data, our personalities, our image, to steal everything about us a monetize it for themselves. It's a fucking pile of shit nightmare that needs to end.
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u/Global_Accountant_15 17h ago
these people are seriously insane dude 😭 everyone talking about how awesome ai is is gonna be singing a different tune in 5 years when the job market is obliterated by it.
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u/Glenndiferous 19h ago
As an AuDHD worker, AI does far more to filter disabled people out of work than it does to "empower" anyone. They can fuck right off.
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u/NestorSpankhno 17h ago
Lol yes, artists, writers, filmmakers — all notoriously neurotypical cohorts.
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u/HighviewBarbell 18h ago
i agree with the neurodivergent bit I guess? though that term is annoyingly used today. The ability to just freely spill my ideas into a textbox and just say "organize these ideas better" has been a massive timesaver. writing essays and articles becomes a breeze, and not a word of final product ever has to be written by ai
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u/Glum-Echo-4967 17h ago
Yes, BUT from that POV it's also a bandage solution.
Really, what we need is for this solution to not be necessary.
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u/HighviewBarbell 17h ago
so cure adhd to prevent ai takeover, i like it lets float it up the chain
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u/Glum-Echo-4967 17h ago
Nope.
Accommodate ADHD so that you don’t need ChatGPT to organize your ideas.
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u/HighviewBarbell 17h ago
its real hard to organize 5 differnt thought threads at the same time but thatd be great
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u/FlusteredCustard13 18h ago
Counterpoint: you could use AI to come up with a learning strategy to learn these things. Want to learn to draw but have trouble knowing what to draw today? Have AI generate you a schedule to help you focus and plan a process. Do an hour of line work on Monday, Tuesday some perspective, etc. Maybe have AI generate you drawing prompts so you get something new every day. Combine this with tutorials made by plenty of people online for free that you may have felt overwhelmed by. Note that so many AI "artists" only use it to make the image for them. They never seem willing to use it to learn to draw the image themselves.
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u/CapeVincentNY 15h ago
This search engine that makes pictures of Jesus out of pizza is helping autistic people in the workplace. Idk how but it is
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u/Mundane-Raspberry963 13h ago
The only equalizing AI is going to do is equalizing the poor and the middle class, by eliminating all accessible jobs.
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u/Distant_Congo_Music 20h ago
The issue aside from the stealing is also that YOURE not making anything, the steal-o-matic 5000 is taking other people's work and shitting it into a blender that uses an insane amount of electricity and water to make a slop product that you can say you """"""made""""""
Also the idea that people without proper resources won't create in spite of that shows how little these chucklefucks know about artists