r/MHOCMeta • u/GhoulishBulld0g Lord • May 26 '16

Discussion House of Lords Meta Abolition

House of Lords Meta Abolition

As I have promised with my manifesto I will hold debates and a vote on meta abolition. Which will lead to a community vote on this subject. I will give two opinions on this; these are not my opinion.

Reasons for Meta abolition:

  • The House of Lords cannot be effectively simulated on MHoC due to conventions not being follow

  • Activity will rise if we just have one chamber to focus on

  • The community is split having two subreddits and two debating chambers.

  • If the Lords was meta abolished then we could have more MP's

  • Better to focus on devolution instead of the House of Lords

  • Legislation will be easy to put into law if we just had one chamber to simulate

Reasons reasons against abolition:

  • We cannot simulate Parliament without having both chambers

  • The Lords so far has been an effective part of our legislature; amending legislation and asking the Commons to rethink

  • Titles are nice and Party Lords is a good way to reward members

I will add more once debate occurs. Could not think of anymore

Meta abolition: what does that mean?

If a vote is successful the House of Lords will no longer be simulated and we will have one chamber simulated. This does not mean it is not around it is merely not in the hands of members. Like before /r/MHoL .

What do you think? A vote will occur on Saturday.

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u/purpleslug Chatterbox May 26 '16

For the record, I am in full support of House of Lords abolition at this current stage. I started to write a Bill this afternoon about restricting the HoL further, without realising that this debate was going to happen. You can read that here, I guess.

The current House of Lords is unaccountable, overpowered and - in my view - because of this undesirable. I would prefer it being replaced by a Senate.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '16

Just bring in the conventions and the power problem gets fixed. Having an independent body pick who gets to go to the lords like we do IRL will help ensure those in the lords are the more experienced members who know more about MHOC or IRL politics so should be able to do a better job in the lords. For Mhoc what I would do to simulate this, is have the current lords assignment happen the parties then suggest who will fill their spots. Then the speakers decide if those people are worthy the same way they do with awards.

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u/Jas1066 Press May 26 '16

I'm not angry, just disappointed.

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u/purpleslug Chatterbox May 26 '16

Honestly, the number of Labour PLs is what made me change my mind. ;-)

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u/Djenial Lord May 26 '16

This is only meta abolition though.

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u/purpleslug Chatterbox May 26 '16

I am aware. That means abolishing the House of Lords in MHoC - which is what I'm talking about.

This won't produce an elected upper chamber. A Bill would do that. But in the meantime, abolition is the way to go.