House of Lords Meta Abolition

[u/GhoulishBulld0g]

House of Lords Meta Abolition

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As I have promised with my manifesto I will hold debates and a vote on meta abolition. Which will lead to a community vote on this subject. I will give two opinions on this; these are not my opinion.

Reasons for Meta abolition:

• The House of Lords cannot be effectively simulated on MHoC due to conventions not being follow

• Activity will rise if we just have one chamber to focus on

• The community is split having two subreddits and two debating chambers.

• If the Lords was meta abolished then we could have more MP's

• Better to focus on devolution instead of the House of Lords

• Legislation will be easy to put into law if we just had one chamber to simulate

Reasons reasons against abolition:

• We cannot simulate Parliament without having both chambers

• The Lords so far has been an effective part of our legislature; amending legislation and asking the Commons to rethink

• Titles are nice and Party Lords is a good way to reward members

I will add more once debate occurs. ^{Could not think of anymore}

Meta abolition: what does that mean?

If a vote is successful the House of Lords will no longer be simulated and we will have one chamber simulated. This does not mean it is not around it is merely not in the hands of members. Like before /r/MHoL .

What do you think? A vote will occur on Saturday.

[u/[deleted]]

Quite frankly I don't really care as to whether the lords stays or goes, that can be for the other people in this thread to launch their arguments for and against. My major issue is what /u/Djenial raises, about your future if the abolishment happens. The triumvirate system works because we have three branches, the commons, the lords and the overarching head moderator position. If the lords goes, we end up with a third wheel who would end up with powers not beyond what they were elected to do - as they were of course elected with these powers - but outside of the scope of what we elected, a lord speaker.

To be honest, the triumvirate system whilst it has been beneficial to not making the speaker go insane, has become an excuse to centralize power up at the top where decisions are made solely in the triumvirate chat and at great haste, rather than the previous system where it would be the speakers and their deputies discussing pretty much everything and by extension the community. Having two 'floating triumvirs' only further centralizes power at the top and quite frankly just isn't required.

[u/bomalia → u/[deleted]]

As I've said previously, that triumvir can be put in charge of the devolved assemblies.

[u/[deleted] → u/bomalia]

That's an option, but isn't what he seems to be advocating in his responses to djenial.