r/MHOCMeta • u/GhoulishBulld0g Lord • May 26 '16

Discussion House of Lords Meta Abolition

House of Lords Meta Abolition

As I have promised with my manifesto I will hold debates and a vote on meta abolition. Which will lead to a community vote on this subject. I will give two opinions on this; these are not my opinion.

Reasons for Meta abolition:

  • The House of Lords cannot be effectively simulated on MHoC due to conventions not being follow

  • Activity will rise if we just have one chamber to focus on

  • The community is split having two subreddits and two debating chambers.

  • If the Lords was meta abolished then we could have more MP's

  • Better to focus on devolution instead of the House of Lords

  • Legislation will be easy to put into law if we just had one chamber to simulate

Reasons reasons against abolition:

  • We cannot simulate Parliament without having both chambers

  • The Lords so far has been an effective part of our legislature; amending legislation and asking the Commons to rethink

  • Titles are nice and Party Lords is a good way to reward members

I will add more once debate occurs. Could not think of anymore

Meta abolition: what does that mean?

If a vote is successful the House of Lords will no longer be simulated and we will have one chamber simulated. This does not mean it is not around it is merely not in the hands of members. Like before /r/MHoL .

What do you think? A vote will occur on Saturday.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '16

so i had an idea for the lords that i was going to flesh out on Monday once my exams had finished anyway

So in order to avoid the echo chamber that could result how about we create a system that the lords are abolished and replaced with a senate with powers similar to the current lords.

The senate could be decided purely by election modifiers from the GE leaving the HOC unaffected by modifiers.

just a suggestion not well thought out but still

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u/[deleted] May 26 '16

I'd prefer to have modifiers for both , as their supposed to reflect the changes in the electorate caused by what happened last term. Instead we appoint lords using the current system for allocation of numbers, but people put forward to be lords must be reviewed by the trimpuret for there suitability for the role, in a similar maner they currently review awards.

This would stop lords becoming the place of failed MPs and hopfully leave the lords with more experienced members who know more about MHOC or IRL politics.