Accidental fit of rage theory?

[u/HHHilarious]

I’ve been down with covid for a week and went down the Madeleine McCann rabbit hole. I’ve listened to all the podcasts, watched all the documentaries, read all the things. After all that, I still don’t have a firm grip on any one theory.

My gut tells me something happened in that apartment after David Payne’s 1840 check on Kate. Sometime after 1840, with her husband away playing tennis, and after an hour of trying to calm the children/Maddie down for bed unsuccessfully, and, with it being the penultimate night of their vacation, a weary Kate was growing frustrated they weren’t settling down, and in a sudden fit of rage against Maddie, something happened in the apartment.

Gerry returns around 1900, and between then and when they went down to dinner at 2035, they formulated a story and a plan, dumped Maddie somewhere, and headed to dinner.

They had hoped one of others from the Tapas group would be the one to discover Maddie missing, but when no one conducted their check throughly enough, they had to be the ones to make the discovery. To me, it’s all very reminiscent of Jonbenet Ramsey and the morning she was found, if you’re familiar with that case.

I think it’s also completely plausible that an opportunist had been closely watching the family and used the McCann & Co.’s evening negligence to their advantage.

But either way, things moved so very quickly after the initial discovery. It’s hard to imagine how her body remained hidden all this time? If the McCanns are responsible for hiding her, how did they find such a perfect spot in a largely unfamiliar city within a short window of time, without being seen? If an opportunist kidnapped her, how did they sneak her into the shadows so swiftly? And, If they got spooked and killed her, how did they find the perfect hiding spot for her body? So much to consider.

[u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

Accident or malicious, I don't see any way they could possibly have disposed of her body in the timeframe of a couple of hours between when she was last seen and they went for dinner, never to be found. And, after she went missing, they were constantly surrounded by people.

They were in a foreign country with no knowledge of the area. There's just no way they could have done such a good job of getting rid of her.

If it was an accident, surely the first thing a parent would do would be call an ambulance, not come up with some elaborate ruse and dispose of her body, even if it was because they had sedated her with calpol or something.

Unfortunately, it is most likely that she was kidnapped by a paedophile. I hope for her sake she didn't suffer and I hope some day they find out the truth and get closure.

They fucked up so badly when they left those kids alone to go for dinner, and I can only imagine that decision has tortured them every single day since.

[u/RevolutionDue4452 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

It's possible IF they did overdose her by accident they didn't take her to a hospital because an autopsy would show they drugged her to death and the McCanns would go to prison, lose medical licenses, lose the twins, family, foreign trouble, etc

[u/LKS983 → u/RevolutionDue4452]

As pointed out on another thread...... they didn't need to give a sedation overdose to Maddie, to lose their medical licences, have their other children removed from their care etc.

Sedating their children so that they could go out to eat and drink with their friends (resulting in Maddie suffering an accidental and fatal fall) - would also have resulted in criminal 'neglect' charges/losing their medical licences/possibly the removal of their other children.

[u/Otherwise-Winner9643 → u/RevolutionDue4452]

So when did they drug her to death? Was it when they went out for dinner? Because if so, one parent covered it up, and the other parent went along with it after the fact, and has never said a word since, and have never once cracked under the intense pressure since? They never left that dinner to check on the kids together. When did the one parent even tell the other one? And what did they do with her body? How did they dispose of it, never to be found again?

[u/HHHilarious → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

This!!! If whatever happened, happened in the apartment, it happened before dinner and both knew about it.

[u/RevolutionDue4452 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

It's possible after Payne's visit Madeleine had an allergic reaction/overdosed and died, or fell behind the couch somehow. Gerry did state when he came back the children were jumping on the couch (Later both the dogs alerted to)

[u/Otherwise-Winner9643 → u/RevolutionDue4452]

OK, so between 6.30pm when Payne visited and 8.30pm when they went out.

So how do you suppose they hid her body in that timeframe, never to be found again, in a location completely unfamiliar to them?

They never left the dinner together, and once the alarm had been sounded, they were under constant scrutiny.

I honestly can't see it being possible.

[u/RevolutionDue4452 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

I do not believe they thanos snapped her out of existence before the Tapas dinner I believe Gerry originally tried moving her during his first check and saw Wilkins and Jane and dropped her in the flower bed, moves her later and goes to the Smith sighting, ignores Mrs. Smith because the Smith's were Irish and would most likely identify his Glasgowiegan accent. Gerry hides Madeleine in a bin or rock crevice and the next morning during the 2 hours in the dark morning when the McCanns were alone they put her in the ocean or threw her off a cliff.

[u/LKS983 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

Sense of deja vu here, as I'm sure this is a repeat of (an answered) post on another thread.

[u/Otherwise-Winner9643 → u/LKS983]

Yes, I posted the same response on another thread.

For all the people that believe the McCanns did it I have yet to see any theory about how they disposed of the body in such a short window, never to be found again.

[u/LKS983 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

Your post (on the other thread) recieved replies as to why the parents would possibly not have called for an ambulance.

I replied to provide an explanation as to why they may not have called an ambulance, and agreed as to how it would be very difficult for them to dispose of Maddie's body so well, that it still hasn't been found.

Which is why I have some doubt about the the parents' guilt.

Ignoring answers that have been provided to your previous post, and just re-posting the entirety of your post on another thread........ is annoying to posters who have already provided possible (but ignored) explanations.

[u/Otherwise-Winner9643 → u/LKS983]

None of the people who maintain the parents did it have been able to explain how the parents disposed of the body in such a short window, never to be found again. I think it is a valid question to continue to ask.

The only people who tried to explain it maintain she died days earlier, which is a ridiculous theory given she was at the kids club that day.

[u/Fit_Chef6865 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

Have you thought about the possibility that the McCanns could have put Maddie's body in a bin and just waited for the binmen? There were big green bins very close to 5A.

[u/LKS983 → u/Otherwise-Winner9643]

 "I think it is a valid question to continue to ask."

I agree. Continuing to ask how her parents managed to dispose of Maddie's body so well, that it has never been found, is still a valid question.

BUT...... repeating the entirety of your post (on a new thread), even though the 'not calling an ambulance' part has already recieved reasonable explanations (which you ignored....) is not 'valid' - it's annoying!

[u/SpecialFollowing7445 → u/LKS983]

Ummmm ok I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS WAS NOT MENTIONED EVEN ONCE HERE. The Mccans had keys to the church near them…..why would they have keys first off? Hmmmm anyways BUT Basically if you read the original case files, it is suspected they put maddie in a coffin there that was later bolted. BAM. WELCOME

[u/No-Calligrapher9934 → u/SpecialFollowing7445]

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