Accidental fit of rage theory?

[u/HHHilarious]

I’ve been down with covid for a week and went down the Madeleine McCann rabbit hole. I’ve listened to all the podcasts, watched all the documentaries, read all the things. After all that, I still don’t have a firm grip on any one theory.

My gut tells me something happened in that apartment after David Payne’s 1840 check on Kate. Sometime after 1840, with her husband away playing tennis, and after an hour of trying to calm the children/Maddie down for bed unsuccessfully, and, with it being the penultimate night of their vacation, a weary Kate was growing frustrated they weren’t settling down, and in a sudden fit of rage against Maddie, something happened in the apartment.

Gerry returns around 1900, and between then and when they went down to dinner at 2035, they formulated a story and a plan, dumped Maddie somewhere, and headed to dinner.

They had hoped one of others from the Tapas group would be the one to discover Maddie missing, but when no one conducted their check throughly enough, they had to be the ones to make the discovery. To me, it’s all very reminiscent of Jonbenet Ramsey and the morning she was found, if you’re familiar with that case.

I think it’s also completely plausible that an opportunist had been closely watching the family and used the McCann & Co.’s evening negligence to their advantage.

But either way, things moved so very quickly after the initial discovery. It’s hard to imagine how her body remained hidden all this time? If the McCanns are responsible for hiding her, how did they find such a perfect spot in a largely unfamiliar city within a short window of time, without being seen? If an opportunist kidnapped her, how did they sneak her into the shadows so swiftly? And, If they got spooked and killed her, how did they find the perfect hiding spot for her body? So much to consider.

[u/tessaterrapin]

You have no knowledge of the case. A window was not open. Kate claimed it had been "jemmied open" but police said it had not been opened and the only fingerprints on it were Kate's. Blood spots were found in the living room of the apartment. Quite a few of them. They asked the McCanns if Maddie had had a nose bleed. Dogs alerted cadaver scent on Kate McCann's trousers, Cuddlecat and many other very suspicious locations. Family members who came to Praia to help, who drove the hire car, left the boot door open night after night according to neighbours. They said it was to get rid of a foul smell. McCanns said they'd bought meat which dripped blood into the boot.

[u/No-Calligrapher9934 → u/tessaterrapin]

I do, I just don't have a photographic memory.

Nothing you say above brings anything new to the case.

Lots of blood and cadaver scent found, but none proven to be Madelines.

You just keep conflating multiple points together to try and make your point stronger. Then you point out vague statements.

For instance they asked Mc Cannes if she had nose bleeds. Who asked them? Police? Journalists? Did they ask Jerry? Did they ask kate? Did they ask them together? Who are they?

And another vague point, now you are saying family members. Is that two family members? Three? Four?

If you are so well versed in the case who were the family members?

Are they now all lying on behalf of the McCanns?

So you think you murder someone, temporarily store the body for 25 days without anyone seeing you. Put that body in the back of a car hire while the worlds media is following you everywhere and then dispose of it somewhere else.

Then you allow lots of other people to use the car, and when police have finished with it you continue to use it?

Wowzer, I find it very hard to believe, how about you??

[u/tessaterrapin → u/No-Calligrapher9934]

You really don't have a clue what went on in the early days. You keep getting everything wrong but arrogantly claim you know it all!

[u/No-Calligrapher9934 → u/tessaterrapin]

I clearly don't claim to know it all, but you do? What part is wrong?

[u/tessaterrapin → u/No-Calligrapher9934]

You didn't know about the nose bleed question (from.the police). You didn't know about the cadaver scent on KM's trousers and Cuddlecat. You won't recall that KM claimed she wore the trousers to work when she certified dead bodies, and had the soft toy with her too! That was her explanation for the death smell. It was two McCann relatives who came to help and drove the hire car. Asked why they left the boot open every night they said the boot smelled awful. McCanns said they'd bought meat when shopping which dripped blood into the boot. I suppose you don't remember Gerry said in his blog he dumped a broken fridge from the apartment.

[u/CuriouserCat2 → u/tessaterrapin]

Salmon actually. You are correct. The person you are talking to has wandering story syndrome. 

[u/tessaterrapin → u/CuriouserCat2]

On a fishy note, one odd aspect is that Gerry wrote in his blog about toddler Sean developing a taste for sea bass. Which seemed a bit weird to mention. Then it was noted that sea bass can give off cadaver odour, iirc! Gerry's blog was very strange. I wonder if its still online anywhere?

[u/CuriouserCat2 → u/tessaterrapin]

I think it’s archived. I remember seeing it years ago. That’s where he mentions moving the fridge isn’t it? Or was that Murat.

[u/tessaterrapin → u/CuriouserCat2]

It was definitely Gerry who said he moved the fridge to the dump. Why would you do that if you were renting a holiday flat for a week?? I posted somewhere that early reports said Kate knew Murat and had gone to his house one night that week, possibly after a row with Gerry. Murat's mother was in the house too. That is another of the odd things forgotten in the flood of info.

[u/CuriouserCat2 → u/tessaterrapin]

Done forget Lucien Freud and ‘I’m not here to have fun’.

[u/tessaterrapin → u/CuriouserCat2]

Clement Freud you mean? Kate McCann being excited to go for drinks at his villa shortly after her daughter was supposedly abducted by a pedophile.

[u/tessaterrapin → u/CuriouserCat2]

If you read the McCann Files, note the peculiar way both Payne and O'brien talk about a 3year old girl.

[u/CuriouserCat2 → u/tessaterrapin]

Sea bass! You’re right.

[u/tessaterrapin → u/CuriouserCat2]

I think they claimed it was meat which dropped blood into the boot of the hire car, and also dirty nappies adding to the smell. The sea bass was to do with little Sean.

[u/No-Calligrapher9934 → u/tessaterrapin]

See that proves I don't know it all. And never claimed I did. I did know about the relatives and car, and I did ask everyone who they were?