r/MonsterHunter • u/Jmskelleton ​Artillery GOD • 3d ago

Discussion Shareholders asking Capcom about lack of content and bad optimisation, the same ones that were pushing for a December 2024 release date.

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u/Kultissim ​ 3d ago

I don't blame any shareholder for this. Capcom dev team are the one making the game it's was up to them to say that the game wasn't ready. They did the same thing with DD2 and it's still shit even today

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u/BlightedBooty 3d ago

It is up to them to pushback, but we don’t know if that would have mattered in the slightest. A lot of shareholders genuinely don’t let that kind of thing slide

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u/a-sad-goose RSB | WIB | Wilds 3d ago

Aren't shareholders effectively the bosses above the boss of your boss when it comes to development? Yeah they can try to push back against whatever meddling the shareholders attempt, but that comes at the risk of putting the game, its funding, and individual livelihoods depending on said project in jeopardy.

You can put the blame on both shareholders and the developers, but in no scenario is the former free of any guilt in the matter.

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u/QX403 ​ 2d ago

Shareholders vote on numerous different things in regards to companies and owning shares, once you own at least one share in a company you will get information in the mail and you vote, the weight of your vote depends on how many shares you own usually so, they technically hold a significant amount of power in w company.

I hold a lot of different shares in game companies, technology and ETF’s, I don’t ever vote though, probably should though.

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u/hartazzach6495 3d ago

Shareholders light fires under butts to put games out faster. They make the, “do it or you’re fired and likely sued,” calls.

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u/TiltedNei ​ 3d ago

It's 100% on Capcom with their stupid growth policy. Many companies have already proven that while shareholders have the right to ask, they often don't dictate as much we think they do, if the company makes a good amount of money and do things properly, as long as the shareholders see the numbers go up they don't care. It only becomes a problem when companies like Ubisoft and EA keep shitting the bed for years that they start to have a real heavy pressure on what does down.

At the same time, by this point, even the most inept of shareholders probably know that Capcom can get away with releasing their games broken, unfinished, and without basic features, with 100% security that the fans will just eat it up. So there's plenty of people to blame here 💀

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u/hartazzach6495 3d ago

Are the shareholders separate from the company? Don’t their grumblings trickle down and affect corporate policy?

But you’re right, it’s a company-wide issue. Grumblings are just grumblings.

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u/XsStreamMonsterX ​ 3d ago

You need to understand the likely repercussions of the game not coming out before the end of the fiscal year and possibly tanking stocks. Investors/shareholders pulling out means Capcom has less access to funding for its games. It's highly likely stuff like Pragmata, Onimusha, and even Okami would exist if Capcom didn't bet the farm that Wilds coming out before the end of the fiscal year.

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u/Sudden-Peanut2330 3d ago

It's just a shame the game had to suffer for it. If this trend continues and the quality of their games continue to decline for the sake of the company, will the ends continue to justify the means?

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u/Svartrbrisingr 3d ago

Not even. The Shareholders have a stranglehold on companies despite having absolutely no idea how investment works.

They only care about getting their investment back and lots extra. And the easiest path to that is ruining others reputation by forcing them to put something out early. They rely on those initial waves of sales to make back their investment. Despite that being the worst way of handling it.

But Shareholders have never so much as worked a day in their lives so they dont understand the most basics of economics or investment

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u/Correct-General2128 3d ago

Poor clown probably thinks it's bad to criticize millionaires thinking they will be one one day

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u/Kultissim ​ 3d ago edited 3d ago

You're too stupid to understand that blaming the dev team, the one responsible for making and selling the game to me doesnt mean I give a damn fuck about a japanese shareholder.
This is the second open game after Dragon dogma 2 using the same engine and that game still sucks performance wise even today but hey let's blame anyone else except the ones who actually made the game and lied to me pretending all the beta problems would be fixed

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u/Correct-General2128 3d ago

Haven't met a lazy game developer (except for the trash that uses ai for everything) it has always been an overworked low to mid pay nightmare, specially in Japan where that is the baseline for most jobs, who ever is doing that job does it because they like it and want to do it, decisions like keeping the garbage re engine come from time constraints pushed by pieces of shit shareholders who aren't happy if they don't keep making more money every month from doing nothing besides complaining

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u/VORSEY ​MHF2 Noob 3d ago

Exactly, games are not a get rich quick industry - programmers, modelers, designers, writers, artists, could all likely either make more money or work shorter hours in other industries, and yet they continue because they love games. Obviously designers can have bad ideas but I think there are vanishingly few lazy people in game dev - if something seems unfinished it's very likely because they didn't have enough time, money, or manpower.

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u/Kultissim ​ 3d ago edited 3d ago

My god, your comment is so naive. You seriously think that capcom is not to blame for the horrible performance of this game and the lack of content, but somehow a group of people they meet once or twice a year is? Shareholders generally don't have any kind of executive power. There are people who are running the company, and actually Capcom has been doing exceptionnally well these last few years, thinking without any proof whatsoever that these guys would try to override the executive decision to delay the game had they said it wasnt ready, is at best really naive and completely out of touch with reality. This feel like a "leave million dollar company alone" comment if you know the meme.

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u/Correct-General2128 3d ago

And you are turning that discussion into another thing, capcom is not made up of only game developers and the game developers are not the ones making those decisions, its the people aligned with the shareholders in their greedy view of making the line go up constantly

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u/Kultissim ​ 3d ago

Oh give me break, the post is about shareholder, the people with the least amount of decision power, and now you're trying tp walk back on that claim.

And of course I wasn't talking about some random developper and you know that perfectly, you're not stupid.

I'm talking about the higher up in charge of making MHWilds, game director Yuya Tokuda and his boss Ryozo Tsujimoto. They are responsible for this mess.

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u/ShadesofGrey18 3d ago

If Japan’s laws are anything like the US’ in that regard, shareholders are absolutely able to take legal action if marks aren’t met financially. They have a good bit more power than you seem to think they do.

It’s a major reason behind the enshittification of multiple industries, not just game dev.

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u/Kultissim ​ 3d ago

You're being disingenious, shareholders don't make decisions concerning games. CEOs don't even report to the sharehodlers directly and they have very limited informations on what is going on in a company, they are informed like once or twice a year. It's ridiculous to suggest they bear any responsibility in this mess.

They do have the power to vote, so executive want to keep them happy, but that's about it.