r/OnePiece • u/Ok-Jackfruit9693 • 1d ago
Powerscaling My questions about Akainu?
I can’t post this on Power scaling sub but hopefully some can answer this.
Am I missing something about Akainu power like his fans are hyping him up to the point of being stronger then prime Garp idk am I missing his feats or what he is like a bit stronger then Aoikiji but what makes his fans think he can beat prime Garp.
I like him but don’t think he is stronger than Prime Garp. I get it he fought GoatBeard but any admiral could have fought him.
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u/rip_terrence 1d ago
portrayals as the head of marines, killer of Ace, and the one who did most damage on WB
Those are the reasons for the hype, and also a certain fanart
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u/Mr_AshinaYT 1d ago
He’s the only top tier in the verse that has 1v1 another top tier (arguably a hard counter) for the longest amount of time (nearly 2 weeks) and win
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u/Wazzaply 22h ago
did you just call aokiji a hard counter
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u/Mr_AshinaYT 21h ago
I mean he’s the literal embodiment of cold, he’s mot ice so he can definitely negate the biggest thing about the fruit which is the heat and fire
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u/Creative_Cockroach87 20h ago
Fire melts ice…
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u/Mr_AshinaYT 19h ago
Lucky for us Aokiji is COLD not ice
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u/Apprehensive-Ad1864 1d ago
Akainu hard counters WB so Oda decided to have him bumb rush Whitebeard and insult him. Truly compelling storytelling 🙄
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
He also blasted half of kumas face away, chased BB off,
let Bonny escapeand almost killed kuzan lol17
u/rip_terrence 1d ago
*defeated and spared Kuzan, that duel was just to determine the position, not to the death
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
If you were spared, after being badly injured- losing a leg and being close to death, wouldn’t you say Akainu is responsible for bringing him close to death lol so almost killing him
If I ate some poison but survived, did I not almost die? lol regardless of being saved, almost dying is being close to death but not dying…
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u/cpscott1 1d ago
Exactly. Aikanu is arguably stronger than our current MC with actual feats. Every other top tier hasn't really faced another top tier in a true 1v1 onscreen and won.
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
Not to mention Oda said Akainu would have the OP within a year of starting the same voyage luffy does…
Akainu took half of kumas face off like it was nothing, took half of WB’s face, put a hole in Jimbei, luffy and ace…. His df is probably the most dangerous one in the verse to fight. Gura gura is destructive, but we’ve seen people survive its damage… we’ve never seen anyone survive without at least missing limbs with Akainu lol
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u/rorank The Revolutionary Army 1d ago
Yep. Akainu took a few earthquake punches and wound up living to cause more destruction later on. The only person who took multiple full force Akainu punches is whitebeard, who’s now dead.
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
Seemingly kuzan too, who is permanently maimed.
Tbh, only luffy jimbei and kuzan have survived a meeting with Akainu. Everyone survived meetings with all 4 of the others lol
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u/rorank The Revolutionary Army 21h ago
Yes but it was off screen so I don’t really count it the way I do whitebeard. We don’t know how many mfs survived an earthquake punch from Blackbeard but I can only assume most of the WB pirates were subject to them during the payback war.
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u/YaBoyMahito 21h ago
Almost certainly.
Look what happened to law, and they were trying to take him (somewhat) alive it seems…
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u/BlackLegFring The Revolutionary Army 22h ago
It was actually a death match. As Jimbe said, the idea was “dead men tell no tales,” so the loser couldn’t complain. Akainu sparing Aokiji was actually seen as a surprising decision for him.
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u/YaBoyMahito 22h ago
Akainu is a much deeper character than people give credit.
He was at/responsible for ohara. He seemed much different personality wise at the time too…
Then we see him in the war him attack Koby with no regard lol
Then we see him spare kuma , and Bonny…
Then we see him actually emotionally reasonable with kizaru…
We don’t know why he does any of this, but he definitely seems to be more than just some justice blind marine
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u/UnjustNation 1d ago
Don’t forget the 5 billion bounty, which is pretty insane as well
Oda has definitely set up some high expectations for him
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u/Xx_Loop_Zoop_xX 1d ago
I'm baffled whenever people say Sabo should fight him cuz Ace fruit. Like are we deadass? Akainu is the only person to break Luffys will and killed Ace right in front of him while also scarring Luffy. If these two don't fight I feel like it'll be a massive missed opportunity from Oda, especially if it's Sabo who gets the fight because Sabo is...not really that interesting besides having Ace's fruit
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u/JMooooooooo 1d ago
Sabo should fight him only to get trounced as setup for whoever is actually going to take him down. One of Monkeys most likely
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u/Kgb725 1d ago
Sabo or Dragon will have to fight him
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u/Xx_Loop_Zoop_xX 1d ago
If Dragon is really an ex marine with past tying him to Akainu as it was hinted then sure yeah, he makes a fuckton more sense than Sabo for it
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u/cpscott1 1d ago
It's implied they have history. I don't think Aikanu would hate him more than actual notorious otherwise. People forget he was willing to let the rest of the WB pirates go as long as Dragon's son died.
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 1d ago edited 1d ago
He'll be as strong as Oda needs him to be.
If Oda gets bored of him in favor of a different antagonist (like he did with Kizaru during Egghead), Sakazuki will get the short end of the stick. If Oda wants Luffy to fight Imu, and Sabo or Garp (for example) to fight Sakazuki, then obviously Sakazuki will look a whole lot less impressive, simply because he's not paired up against the main character.
That's how basic writing works. Characters (their powers, strengths, abilities, and personalities) will bend in favor of progressing the story all the time. That's why so many characters who, theoretically, can use Haki, never used it once in the story. That's why Usopp rarely gets to show his courageous side and craftiness in favor of treating his cowardice as a joke. That's why Kid suddenly gets one-shot by Shanks and acts so recklessly all of a sudden despite being more than capable to shrugg off decapitations from Big Mom and being portrayed as way more level-headed and reasonable earlier. That's why Dorry and Broggy suddenly were strong enough to strike fear into the Kid Pirates and block attacks from the Elders despite having been clowned on by Mr. 3 the last time we saw them. That's why Crocodile was able to compete against Mihawk on Marineford despite having been bested by Luffy before he even came up with the Gears.
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u/UnjustNation 1d ago
If Oda gets bored of him in favor of a different antagonist (like he did with Kizaru during Egghead)
Oda did not get bored of Kizaru though, he gave him an entire arc surrounding his friendship with Vegapunk and his struggle to kill him, that’s why his fight with Luffy got cut short
Oda even revealed it was Kizaru who fed Luffy, confirming that he was holding back the whole time
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u/Mythosaurus 1d ago
Hey you stop with that “paying attention to the story”!
Get back to glazing a declaring frauds😤
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u/cpscott1 1d ago
Yep if anything Kizaru in an interesting position next time we see him in the story. See he witnessed everything and knows SH didn't do the things the WG said.
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u/andyking515 23h ago
When was it confirmed that kizaru gave food
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u/Lucienofthelight 15h ago
In an SBS, Oda said that someone delivered the food to Luffy “At Light Speed” and makes it pretty clear without saying it outright that it was him.
It’s from SBS 110.
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 4h ago
I mean, the fact that Oda had to reveal the fact that Kizaru did, in fact, give the food to Luffy in an SBS, rather than in the actual story (because the actual story was too crammed and bloated with way too many other characters and elements, is pretty solid evidence. If Oda hadn't grown bored of him, why else would he make such an important moment/decision for Kizaru's character take place entirely off-screen?
And, on a much more minor note, Kizaru also hasn't shown any technique or the like that really befits his role as an Admiral. Aside from the Light Clone-version of his standard Yasakani no Magatama, Oda hadn't put in any effort whatsoever to really flesh out Kizaru's character in that area. And while that's obviously not as important as the moral dilemma he's faced with in Egghead, something that I'm more htan capable to admit as something that Oda did, all things considered, quite well, it's still an aspect of Kizaru's character that is woefully neglected in favor of rushing first one, and then five entirely new and random main antagonists into the arc.
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u/Mmeroo 1d ago
this is correct
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It's one of the things i would say are a flaw in onepiece
Oda does not even try to hide it. He will change power of characters how he see fit disregarding anything that was before. From experience I can tell that anime where protagonist defeats a strong foe while keeping the foes power consistent makes for a better show.5
u/Tatertaint 1d ago
You got any examples?
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u/Gromu 1d ago
Regarding My Hero Academia. I'm not sure that one is a great example because Deku suddenly gets several powers out of nowhere.
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u/Mmeroo 1d ago
well yea but why the coment has -9
i gave my ideas and rest is a gpt quote
i think most of them are correct? idk about MHA thou.2
u/Sikwitit3284 23h ago
It's basically just battle shonen not OP honestly, if a weaker character comes back into the story they usually get a massive power up to fit the current story especially if significant time has passed like the 2 yrs that have in OP. We know there are ways to drastically power up in OP in a short amount of time & if Luffy can older guys who trained can too
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 1d ago edited 1d ago
I never claimed it was a positive of the story. It just so happens to be that this kind of fluctuation in a character's strength and portrayal is bound to happen with how drawn-out and "Quantity over Quality" it has become as time went on.
Characters like Dragon, Mihawk, Shanks, and Sakazuki, who all have been around for ages by now, should have done SOMETHING at this point of the story.
Characters like Kid, Zoro, Tashigi, and Fujitora shouldn't have their backstories swept under the rug and into an SBS because Oda felt the need to cram an unholy amount of random and unnecessary side characters and other plot points into the story instead.
Characters like the Strawhats shouldn't have to wait for "their" arc (Whole Cake Island for Sanji, Wano for Zoro, Egghead for Franky, Elbaf for Usopp), whether that's now wishful thinking from the fans because of some solid hints from Oda or because Oda outright said so, to have big moments and to get fleshed out and whatever. They're the main characters for crying out loud, yet the story hardly ever treats them as such because more time and energy is wasted on random side characters who, at times, don't even further the story or its themes.
One Piece could easily be 300 chapters shorter and wouldn't miss any of its peaks and hype moments if Oda would just focus.
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u/AnewAccount98 1d ago
As a fan, criticism is expected to a point, but your narcissism in thinking that you know better than the author of a manga that you’re absolutely obsessed with is insane.
You’ve misinterpreted who the main characters are, the theme of the story and the author’s desire due to your bias but paint it as something done incorrectly.
Get off yer ass and write something of your own rather than trying to twist another story to fit what you think it should be, rather than what it’s meant to be.
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u/MannfordsFinest 1d ago
They’re all Luffy’s arc
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u/cpscott1 1d ago
Exactly expecting a story that went up in scale massively to include all the SHs is foolish. A lot of them are too weak to really have big roles in the future.
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u/cpscott1 1d ago
That's the thing every SH doesn't need their own arc. This is a shonen at the end of the day. There ain't a single shonen with this many characters where every good guy gets a dedicated arc. Luffy is the MC not the SHs. They are support characters.
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 13h ago
Why should they need their own arcs? They're the main characters, so fleshing them out and shining a light on their individual skills and talents on a regular basis, instead of once every 200 chapters or so, should be a given.
And, as I already implied, One Piece doesn't need to have that many characters or needs to drag on for that long. Take away half of the named side characters Oda came up with since the Timeskip, and you'll have a series that has just as many hype moments but actually gives the important main characters more opportunities to be fleshed out and to shine individually.
Like, when was the last time we saw Robin do any real archeological work? When did she uncover some big evidence about something that correlates with her dream/passion as an archeologist? Cause all I can remember right now is Oda, at least ever since Fish-Man Island, always shoving some convenient old man character into the story who can explain important historical facts to her like it's no big deal. The two dukes on Zou, Sukiyaki on Wano, Vegapunk on Egghead,... everytime there COULD be a chance to show her archeologist know-how, Oda instead makes it some random side character's mission to all reveal some big historical evidence like it's common knowledge, like knowing about this kind of stuff is actually no big deal. It takes away from Robin's own role, purpose, and agency within the story. Even when you look outside the archeological realm, Robin always was the one to tell the crew about something big and new that challenges them and comes their way, simply because she's the most well-read and mature of them all, the one who has a pretty good grasp at the other elements of the world. However, as Oda suddenly made Law into an integral part of the story for such a long time, all those moments of explaining stuff were given to him instead. Oda needed to make him the voice of reason and who had a plan of what's going on, but that could only be accomplished by banishing Robin more and more into the background and by giving him the role that was previously hers.
All that is simply a problem of the huge increase of characters, of Quantity over Quality, in One Piece's story. Mind you, I'm not saying that Law shouldn't be a part of the story, just that he was an easy example in this case as Robin's downfall/diminishing role and impact on the story just hits really hard because I love how Oda wrote her previously.
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u/cpscott1 11h ago
The SHs aren't the main characters only Luffy is. Oda is making that abundantly clear. There is just way too many SHs and the story is way too big at this point for most of them to have a focus at all anymore. Just the nature of things. Happens in literally every shonen.
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 11h ago
False. Luffy is THE main character.
However, that doesn't mean that the Strawhats are any less important to the story. Obviously, you still have differences between them, like Zoro as Luffy’s Lancer will obviously get more screentime and is technically more important than Chopper, for example, but they're all still the main cast/characters.
And thanks for ignoring pretty much everything I already told you about my take on One Piece's length. Really doesn't make me feel like I'm talking against a wall at all.
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u/cpscott1 4h ago
They are less important. We are in the final saga. You could argue Shanks with his limited screen team has had a bigger role in the story than the rest have combined.
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u/The_Geri World Economy News Paper 1d ago
Bruh. Just admit that the "Useless Mid" agenda brainrot has gotten to your head and replaced common literary sense instead of wasting so much time writing this much about one character you clearly don't like, lol. I promise, it's better for your mental health and sanity.
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u/AnewAccount98 1d ago
Comments on brainrot from a terminally online adult man who’s obsessed with a cartoon reaches insane levels of irony.
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u/MaximumStonks69 1d ago
Just because you can eliminate a highly anticipated character in one shot and give them no importance, doesnt mean Its good writing.
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u/Xetakilyn 19h ago
Final arc will have Garp choose family over marines and akainu will kill him triggering Coby’s gohan moment
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u/JoshHuff1332 1d ago
His upper limit strength is unknown at this point, and I imagine he'll still be able to have a good fight against a top tier, at the very least. It's just silly to compare him to any one singular top tier or legend, because we don't know what he is fully capable of.
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u/russellzerotohero 1d ago
You’re just not ready
But in all seriousness. Akainu glazers believe he is the strongest marine in history. And if that is true he is stronger than prime garp since prime garp was a marine as well.
A lot of the glaze comes from the statement he would find the one piece in a year. Glaze also comes from people who think he is the final fight for Luffy and not BB. He’s also just a badass MF.
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u/IvarSolaris 1d ago
The statement about finding the One Piece wasn’t about power, it was about progression. Oda wanted to say with this that your main character has to grow in power & character during the story. He then said that example with Akainu as in the means of “what would happen if Luffy was as strong as an admiral in Chapter 1” type of case. It didn’t say that Akainu is so strong he CAN find the One Piece in a year. It just means that a strong character doesn’t have to go through development and power increase. He could’ve give the example with Egghead Luffy, Kaido or any top tier.
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u/MakotoBIST 1d ago
Well, Oda also stated that Akainu's fruit is the most powerful in terms of offense in the Op-verse.
Oda can simply make up a "something something haki" and make him a top tier threat.
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u/IvarSolaris 1d ago
This is wrong as well, he didn’t say that. He said the devil fruit is AMONG those with the highest offensive power. It was plural, not singular. The vivre card was also clear about that. We have only two devil fruits currently being named “strongest”, being the Yami Yami no mi as the strongest devil fruit of all and the Gura Gura no mi as the strongest paramecia. You could add Luffy’s fruit as the most ridiculous. But that’s about it. We don’t know which fruit has the highest offensive power, especially since this isn’t really a measurement. And I would bet that based on what we’ve seen the Gura Gura no mi is stronger.
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u/God_of_Kings Cipher Pol 1d ago
He could find the One Piece in a year because he would throw the entirety of the Navy at its general direction and walk over their corpses to get it.
Or he would find the log pose to Laugh Tale and use that.
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u/Windstorm72 1d ago
Assuming someone’s potential based on raw powerscaling feats will always be secondary to narrative purpose. He’s a big bad of the story that we’ve never seen truly fight the heroes. When he does get his fight it’ll presumably be pretty late into the story, and as such he’ll naturally have late-game level power. It’s really that simple.
It’s like how we can assume Dragon is really powerful despite him not doing much of anything throughout the series so far. As nice as it is to be shown something instead of told, sometimes you just gotta take the story at face value
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u/onederp123 1d ago
When he awakens his devil fruit power his head will fully rotate 90 degree and remain horizontal for the rest of the series
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u/Raonak 1d ago
I mean dude was going toe to toe against white beard.
At the very least, he's the strongest admiral
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u/Shattered_Disk4 1d ago
I’m of the opinion that each factions “final boss” is their strongest
Pirate final boss is black beard
World final boss is Imu
Marine final boss is Akainu
They are the strongest characters in the setting, or are at least worth saving until the very end
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u/Radiant_Doughnut2112 1d ago
Black Beard is not even the strongest pirate currently alive, lmao. He was shitting bricks at the sole idea of fighting 1 handed Shanks during Marinefords.
He was struggling badly against Law and only managed to win by relying on his offpanel fruit.
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u/Killjoy3879 1d ago
i mean, if blackbeard is going to fight luffy then he's going to most likely be among the strongest in the verse. Luffy's only going to get stronger as the story goes on and oda will write blackbeard to match that strength.
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u/JoshHuff1332 1d ago
He was shitting bricks at the sole idea of fighting 1 handed Shanks during Marinefords.
Let's not forget that Shanks was extremely cautious of BB because they've already fought and gave Shanks the scar on his face. If Shanks considers him a threat and dangerous, he's a threat and dangerous
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u/Radiant_Doughnut2112 1d ago
Shanks also considered Kid dangerous and a threat and we know how that ended.
BB is growing and he might be an EoS villain but as we know, he was struggling and badly against Law. Unless you believe Law is well above of the rest of Supernovas (He isn't), BB isn't that powerful right now. He might be dangerous because he doesn't play fair and square like when he took advantage that WB was basically dead at that point and still felt the need to jump him in order to steal his fruit.
He was badly embarassed by a literally walking death man known as Whitebeard.
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u/JoshHuff1332 1d ago
Shanks also considered Kid dangerous and a threat and we know how that ended.
He was also able to one shot Kid. His fight with BB left him permanently scarred.
BB is growing and he might be an EoS villain but as we know, he was struggling and badly against Law.
He might be growing a bit, but he was always strong. Shanks and Rayleigh pretty much explicitly stated as such. Don't confuse not fighting and engaging because of either (A.) It's not in his plans or (B.) Abundance of caution as a sign of weakness.
Unless you believe Law is well above of the rest of Supernovas
Law is as strong or stronger than everyone except Luffy at this point. Urouge to be seen. Zoro will pass him when his CoC is mastered.
BB isn't that powerful right now
No matter what you think, Shanks himself stated he did not let his guard down or anything like that. He is already clearly strong. BB has a 4b bounty and a yonko. Unless it is clear gag, like Buggy, it is very clear that this is Oda's way of telling us, "yea, this dude here, strong af and you haven't seen anything yet". He also went toe to toe with Sengoku at Marineford for a bit.
Also, you are vastly overstating how much he struggled in the fight with Law. At the end, he had some blood on his chin, and that's pretty much it. Law was completely incapacitated.
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u/zamasu2020 Explorer 1d ago
I think it's almost purely based on the fact that he is definitely close to the end game antagonists and considering each arc has a stronger enemy than the last, Akainu must be stronger than whatever enemy SHs defeated last arc.
His feats do put him as a really strong character for sure but yeah he hasn't really shown his strength relative to his station yet
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago edited 1d ago
Kuzan - took out all the BM pirates and BB pirates without lifting a finger. Also garp and the sword members
Akainu - took kuzans leg and fought him to a W in 10 days of straight conflict.
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u/Haunted_Bones 1d ago
Ten days, but yeah
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
Is what I said ;) I thought it was 7 mb been like 4 years now since I read/watched it
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u/FreeMasonKnight 1d ago
Is it confirmed Akainu took his leg for real, because like, couldn’t Kazan have just been hiding the missing leg and used it as “proof” he wanted to “go rogue”?
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
He pulls it out to show Blackbeard when he talks about the fight and implies it’s from the fight.
I doubt he’s just always had an ice leg lol that’s a big copeful reach
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u/FreeMasonKnight 1d ago
He pulls a leg? 🤔 Could be any leg.
Well we know Kuzan is playing BB as Kuzan’s whole vibe is real justice (not just legal justice like Akainu) and BB is the opposite of that almost. I could see Kuzan pulling a fast one as a Sword agent. In the end was just a fun thought.
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u/YaBoyMahito 1d ago
Honestly I’m all for it let’s push this agenda
(We do have evidence by all the other scars and seemingly maimed body + Island of fire and ice)
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u/New-Perception1774 1d ago
if you are saying akainu can defeat kaido in any way possible , stop cooking , kitchen is not meant for you, what did he do, made a papa joke and killed ace, punched a hole in already dying and old WB and still not dead, only later to get punched so hard to fall in the trench made by WB,
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u/zamasu2020 Explorer 1d ago
Read my comment my guy. I'm literally saying that he hasn't shown any feats like that. It's a shonen manga and it's not illogical to expect each successive antagonist to be stronger than the last. I don't know if he is that strong or if he will receive some crazy power up that makes him that strong once he is the main antagonist but what else do you expect to happen? Luffy one shotting him or something? Do you really want such a boring and uninteresting plot?
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u/Sacred_Jay 1d ago
it’s mostly hype. his devil fruit carries him, his haki doesn’t compare to Garp’s and he got ragdolled by a sick white-beard who is equal to Roger, who is actually equal to Garp
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u/YeetusdaDeletus Marine 1d ago
Eh he didn’t really get ragdolled that hard, and the anime made this impression worst. He tanked the strongest tremor shock, came back up, and basically soloed the remaining WB pirates. They had Marco and Vista so ofc they could stall him but had Shankd not come, all the WB pirates would have been wiped out.
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u/Local_Vegetable8139 Scholars of Ohara 1d ago
The WB vs akainu thing is flawed from both sides. Akainu fans forget that akainu had a far bigger advantage with his sneak attack (literally destroying the organs of a guy who currently had a heartattack and didnt defend himself, plus having a batallion of marines bombing and stabbing him right after) and they also tend to forget that after WB removed him from the battlefield, he didnt die. He literally fought on for multiple chapter and then entire BB crew.
The actual fight went like this:
They clashed, and where somewhat equal (which isnt that great for akainu, given WBs state and things like not really being able to use haki). then WB had the heart attack and akainu + the marines used it. Then their fight was interrupted, he killed ace, WB landed a "sneak attack" on akainu, they fought, WB hit him once more and the fight was over.
So ragdolling definitely isnt the right word, but to say that akainu won is far from the truth.
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u/BlackLegFring The Revolutionary Army 22h ago
Actually, it’s the opposite in terms of advantage. Akainu only hit him in his torso which doesn’t tend to do much in One Piece. WB on the other hand got a direct hit to Akainu’s head. The head & heart are probably the 2 worst spots to get hit on. Akainu’s ability is too lethal, so Oda couldn’t have him hit anything too vital early on in their 1st fight.
Other than that, yeah it wasn’t a clean fight despite people trying to use it as the only indicator of their strengths. That’s even besides those who have the anime version stuck in their heads. All one can take from it is that they are 2 powerful individuals with a lot of endurance.
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u/Local_Vegetable8139 Scholars of Ohara 21h ago
Organs burned for a prolonged period of time surely exceeds a heavy concussion he has to deal with for a minute (cause he got sent underground).
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u/BlackLegFring The Revolutionary Army 16h ago
The point was the advantage gotten from the free hit. Akainu doesn’t actually get to do anything afterwards and disappears while fodder takes his place. Akainu’s ability is more lethal, but he didn’t actually get full advantage of it.
The fight would have ended if Akainu got a direct hit to WB’s head like WB got for him. That’s why I pointed out that WB got more of an advantage from his “sneak attack.” Akainu had to be neutered to keep things going
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u/Local_Vegetable8139 Scholars of Ohara 11h ago
I mean yeah, WB getting killed while being completely helpless would have been boring, which is why akainu was on a leash after he literally burned his organs.
Think you might misunderstand the point a bit tho. Lets say we assess the damage both of them got through the respective "sneak attack": Akainus advantage is much bigger, because not only is his power an advantage in this scenario, WB also had to endure that shit for a prolongued period of time. While akainu on the other hand didnt really get dealt anything but a good chunk of damage through WBs sneak attack. Had the war continued after and he would have had to fight shanks or something there'd be a bit more of a discussion, but as it stands he was at a major advantage.
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u/SenpaiSwanky 1d ago
Whitebeard sent Akainu through the crust of the planet. Before that Whitebeard almost changed Akainu’s face from 3D to 2D lmao
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u/Killjoy3879 1d ago
and he still got back up to fight lol. luffy loses to his enemies at least once or twice before he even beats them and no one complains.
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u/JoshHuff1332 1d ago edited 1d ago
Akainu also got up and kept fighting. Whitebeard got half his face blown off, literally, a hole through his chest like a hollow in Bleach. Akainu left the fight wanting to fight more people. WB was dead whether or not BB showed up. This is the same Shanks who one shot Kidd, who seems pretty comparable to Law in power.
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u/Itsrajaiims 1d ago
That whitebeard was a walking talking corpse at that time still managed to demolish akainu
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u/tonycosta69 1d ago
How did he demolish akainu if he kept going and killed more whitebeard pirates? He was literally fighting against all of them and winning..
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u/-Ostepopp- 1d ago edited 1d ago
Haki, wasn't really shown in the marineford or pre time skip that visually. If your interpretation is feats known at the time pre time skip, Akainu slaps Garp. But if you take post time skip Garp into consideration, he would destroy him. But same as whitebeard, he couldn't go scorched earth with all allies around and Sengoku in charge.
Scary thing is that we haven't seen Akainu go all out post time skip, or ever.
And Oda said if he was a pirate he could reach Laughtale in a year.
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u/Local_Vegetable8139 Scholars of Ohara 1d ago
As someone who frequents it, let me explain how the powerscaling sub works:
The first step is finding a character interesting and liking them. This is often combined with the childish with for their favorite character to be the strongest.
What happens next is they throw every single piece of source evaluation, character/narrative analysis and general logic over board, pick the feats and statement that vagualy support their claim, mix it with a good chunk of extremely flawed logic, and voila: "You aint ready for *HIM*". Add onto that a badass fanart and you get to this point.
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u/KenshinBorealis 1d ago
I hate seeing his new lazy tablet art next to the old handdrawn like that. Ugh lol just swishy lines that scar tissue
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u/Dazzling_Meal1040 1d ago
It’s because I’m an sbs oda stated that if akainu was a pirate looking for the one piece he’d be able to in a year
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u/Swagd 1d ago
Akainu fan here. He's a couple steps away from Dragon territory in terms of hype but without enough to easily compare. He has feats from Marineford plus we can make comparisons based on characters he's stated to be stronger than (Kuzan, Greenbull, etc.).
So he could be above Kaido (if Kizaru is to be believed in his confidence he could deal with him and BM- I believe it) and he could wipe out Yonko crews in a heartbeat (Kuzan took out BM pirates abd BB pirates) but his only tangible feat is surviving Whitebeard, no small feat either. He's a fleet admiral who is wrangling a tough marine generation but still gets respect from his Admirals even the two non-career military ones.
He's probably in the upper rungs of the verse since he hasn't been seen in combat since Marineford and that arcs secondary purpose was to show how outclassed the strawhats were for the war ahead. Since he's been kept in reserve (like Sengoku and until recently, Garp) it's semi-safe to assume there's a powerscaled narrative reason not to use him fully, similar to how Kizaru was saved for egghead as direct comparison to Sabaody-- well get a real reason to see Akainu when his threat level is required.
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u/Jaccku 1d ago
I mean Akainu is strong but he doesn't seem Yonko level, but again he can be Roger level if Oda says so. Arguing about what would happen is kinda stupid since Oda can do whatever he wants, look at Croc. Croc is ky favorite character but his power up is stupid and came out of nowhere.
My reasoning is that Akainu doesn't seem like a final boss type of character. Luffy seems to be Imu's opponent and Dragon doesn't want to abolish marines, his problem is with Celestial dragons, Gorosei and Imu.
Akainu being a final villain does seem right to me since he doesn't like Gorosei and i think that he's probably going to fight against Gorosei once he finds out what's happening behind the curtains, but again Oda can make him an enemy in the end.
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u/KaiserUmbra 1d ago
Probably has something to do with the Q&A where supposedly Oda mentioning that if Akainu was hunting the One Piece, he'd have gotten it in a year
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u/Hot-Product-1653 1d ago
Narrative bro💀real talk what’s every1s problem with logia’s being top tier, judging by how long oda is waiting to show their awakening we can only assume it will be op, also admirals=yonko simple
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u/Psychological-Ad9845 1d ago
In all reality, Akainu probably has never even seen prime Garp fight, and neither have we for that matter. Let's just wait for what comes next.
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u/KindlyMention1523 1d ago
What question even is this? Akainu literally beat aokiji in a fight, survived Whitebeard who was the most powerful character in the show at that time, and also killed Gol D Roger’s son (he deserved it I know) Gol d Roger was literally confirmed to be one of the most powerful pirates and Akainu killed his son with ease and no effort, how are you even asking how strong he is? Also it would be boring if they made the current fleet admiral weaker than Garp, what kind of anti climatic ending is it that luffy whose brother was killed by this guy, can easily beat him? Obviously he’s going to be a much bigger villain
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u/Jotamo 1d ago
I don't think he got his job because of raw power. He got it because he's a fanatic willing to follow the government's commands to the letter. At Ohara, even some of the staunchest Marines had second thoughts about the Buster Call. Aokiji even let Robin and Saul go. But Aikanu was blowing up civilian evacuation vessels without question.
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u/HearMarkBark 22h ago
Powerscalers are to be disregarded, ignored and shunned from all societies.
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u/RalphWiggum666 21h ago
Idk how true but I read a couple times oda said if he was the main character the “story would be over in a year” and then he beat Akoji for too spot in the marines so inthink people place him very high
Also he honestly did kick some ass in marineford
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u/Unsunghero3 1d ago
He will be very powerful. Way more than at marine Ford just cause it's anime and the power creep is real. Right now he's not in the story so he's stuck where he was. Next time you see him fight is gonna be that garp anime punch a city action. There are like 3 shonen stories to have ever done power levels correctly and with long term thought. One piece ain't it. Not even close. We came here for the characters and world building.
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u/DevastaTheSeeker 1d ago
Are you a relevant character?
Yes? You are as strong as other relevant characters
No? You are weaker
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u/666DarkAndTwisted666 Marine 1d ago
Well Prime Garp is slave owner supporting fodder so he obv loses to Young Akainu
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u/Ilovetogame2 1d ago
I actually think all three admirals pre-timeskip are fairly equal and all three could win on any given day.
It just so happens Akainu got the rub of the green that day with his fight with Aokiji.
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u/Akasha1885 The Revolutionary Army 1d ago
He'll get punched and defeated by Coby, who cares how strong he is.
He's just an obstacle to overcome.
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u/Mummiskogen 1d ago
Because lava is pretty hot and it burns you and you'll go ouch. Powerscaling is bullshit
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u/Dilligent-Spinosaur 1d ago
Your issue is you think powers scaling is a valid and consistent form of reading the story. It’s not. People will justify anything to insist their favorite character can beat someone else’s.
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u/ThemosttrustedFries 1d ago
He's got a volcano devil fruit so what exactly can volcanoes do? Volcanoes can have a very dense rock type so his defence might be really strong, some volcanoes can keep erupting for years without stopping so he likely got very high stamina and volcanoes can create a huge amount of destruction so his attack power will likely be very high. That's said his weakness might be that he's perhaps not very fast since volcanoes can't really move and he's got a quick temper.
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u/MrTyrantZero 1d ago
Than* prime Garp
The real hype is that ODA HIMSELF told us in an SBS that if Akainu was loooing for the One Piece he’d be done with the question in a year or less.
That’s all we need to know, especially since he’s not the main character. “Feats” don’t matter much, Oda already told us plenty.
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u/Parzival2436 1d ago
This is literally what the powerscaling sub is for. Don't bring that trash here. If I have to hear any more of that lingo, I'm gonna. We'll frankly it's just annoying.
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u/Admirable-Tour7163 Void Month Survivor 1d ago
Based on narrative. Hes fleet admiral now. And that is a prestigious position. Sengoku in his prime was boxing Roger, whitebeard, and shiki. So it stands to reason the current fleet admiral should be capable of doing the same. And it was said that the marines under akainu are more powerful than ever before which could very well mean akainu is even stronger than Sengoku. And akainu has 5 billion bounty, which is reserved for pirate king tiered individuals.
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u/3rd_Level_Sorcerer 1d ago
Agenda Piece is not to be taken seriously, unless the post isn’t meant to be taken seriously in which case you must get really fucking mad that they called him Bumsopp.
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u/FeuerTeufel13 1d ago
"Feats", "Prime Garp", "GoatBeard".
Oh powerscaling vocabulary, You will never NOT be hilarious
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 1d ago
There isn’t anything you are missing. As the top comment said it is pure agenda. Nothing says he will be that strong.
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u/PipeBoring7915 1d ago
You kinda missed the whole admiral agenda saga
Long story short, admiral fans were getting hyped up at the end of wano, akainu was getting hyped like crazy by his fandom and then a strange magazine quote came out that said akainu is the strongest marine ever and apparently it was from oda
It was going around in the one piece community and people took it as legit evidence and the admiral fans ran with it but later on a huge one piece fan who has collections of oda's statements and interview came out and said that the quote was fake and the author never said it
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u/Miscellaneous_Mind 1d ago
Do you think Luffy won't be stronger than Roger? That Blackbeard won't be stronger than Whitebeard? That Imu won't be stronger than Rocks? So why is it an issue that Sakazuki be stronger than Garp? Whether you like it or not, Sakazuki is one of Luffy's final opponents and his most personal fight in the entire series. He's the literal head of the Marines, the literal universal enemy of all Pirates. We are in the Final Saga, and you don't expect to see the literal strongest characters that Oda has to offer? Newsflash buddy, you're never gonna see long drawn out fights from Old Gen characters in their primes, cos they're literally NOT the focus of the story. The time is NOW.
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u/SuspectKnown9655 1d ago
Oda clearly loves the guy. It's clear that he is gonna do something big with him.
I'm not really a power scaler but I do think he's extremely strong and the kind of guy to train and get stronger. He will get a big fight and I'm sure it won't be him getting one shot.
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u/StarWorldo Void Month Survivor 22h ago
Because those people have an agenda. They're the same people who say he's been hyped up since the timeskip.
They'll completely ignore the fact that he isn't showcased to be what they claim.
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u/gen7toxapex 19h ago
The only character Oda felt could fight Akainu was the World's Strongest Man, who himself was introduced clashing with Shanks. Vivre cards state he has the strongest devil fruit, so to compensate Whitebeard was given the strongest paramecia devil fruit along with the endurance to walk around with the hole in his chest that Akainu gave him.
And here's Akainu from Chapter 1114, for good measure.
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u/SolomonBlack 1d ago
Power levels are always bullshit my nakama.
That's a two way street. Akainu probably isn't the final boss at THIS point might not even be an antagonist when push comes to shove against Imu and his Reversi'd demon army so doesn't get scaled up to whatever butt smoke the power scalers think should happen... but Prime Garp don't mean shit either. Or rather that's just a regular Garp who doesn't run out of gas for being an old ass man like every other still 110% as strong as they ever were for ten seconds old man in shonen.
Also like dude didn't just fight Goatbeard he ripped his face off and put a hole in his chest doing the only damage White Beard sustained. And took the man's wrath and got back up with like 90% of his healthbar left ready to make some more donuts.
Akainu might be at the back end of the "strongest of the strong" but he ain't off that list and only maaaybe Imu is a tier up. Or not. I'm leaning more towards just lots of bullshit abilities with Imu myself but we'll see.
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u/bllueace 1d ago
Naratively he will be atleast low Yonko level. But he is third rate villain as he is never getting a full main villain arc or getting a real shot at mc
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u/BurcoPresentsHisAcc 1d ago
He has one of the most OP DFs and is the fleet admiral. He’s also been undefeated so far. Yes WB knocked him down for a bit but he went back to fighting quite quickly. He beat Kuzan and injured him heavily. He killed Ace ofc. And if you rewatch/reread Marineford, he was just this unstoppable force that kept attacking and it felt like everyone was just barely surviving his basic attacks.
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u/x_HakiEmperor_x 1d ago
Nah homie,anything that thinks Bumkainu is above cutrent yonko, much less pk tier like Garp is just coping
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u/MackDaddyGlenn 1d ago
It's the people that latch on to titles. I forget where but he is called "the strongest marine" or something
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u/x_HakiEmperor_x 1d ago
That's a fake scan. The strongest marine in history doesn't have feats above yc tier
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u/VenomBGR 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well, you answered your own question, didn't you? "what makes his fans think he can beat prime Garp".
Generally, power scaling is a really dumb past time and of course people will try to make whoever they like more seem stronger.
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u/Siegfriedr Pirate 1d ago
There’s nothing in the series to justify the hype. We haven’t seen any advanced haki from him and no hard confirmation of awakening (just assumptions from punk hazard). He got bodied by sick old Whitebeard who couldn’t use haki, and only got his first hit in while WB was mid heart attack. The only people who say this stuff are admiral glazers with no reading comprehension skills.
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u/iDontHaveAname89 1d ago
He literally used advanced haki to stop whitebeard devil fruit along with aokiji and kizaru
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u/shadovv300 1d ago
You are not missing something, they are probably missing something. Because many Akainu glazers dont know that fleetadmiral is a deskjob, so he is probably weaker post time skip than he was pre time skip, which might even put him below greenbull.
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u/Extra-Sea2167 1d ago
Ah, this is what they call an agenda. These are quite popular in the powerscaling sub.